|
Post by SteveUL on Oct 29, 2014 12:00:05 GMT -4
Certainly hard to compare these 2 teams this early especially considering the different divisions they are in, although that would suggest Gatineau would have it harder. The one thing that stands out is Gatineau is not consistent which could point to coaching/systems. I expect as every year teams need time to get into their routine with some doing it faster. Injuries certainly is a factor in this. Goaltending is what it is though and I think that is the big difference that makes Moncton better for sure. Our goaltending has not been stellar lately.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 12:12:12 GMT -4
Certainly hard to compare these 2 teams this early especially considering the different divisions they are in, although that would suggest Gatineau would have it harder. The one thing that stands out is Gatineau is not consistent which could point to coaching/systems. I expect as every year teams need time to get into their routine with some doing it faster. Injuries certainly is a factor in this. Goaltending is what it is though and I think that is the big difference that makes Moncton better for sure. Our goaltending has not been stellar lately. I GUARANTEE it will be on Saturday night here in Halifax. Dubeau has been amazing here ever since the start of last season in Halifax.... 1 GA in 5 games.
|
|
|
Post by Arnold Slick on Oct 29, 2014 12:28:15 GMT -4
I would say that Rimouski, Quebec, Sherbrooke and Baie-Comeau have all been better than the Cats. Quebec has been playing quite well lately after a bit of a rocky start with guys out. Sherbrooke and BC have both been playing pretty consistently well all season. The Drakkar have benefited from some very good goaltending though.
Not sure where Gatineau and Rouyn are coming from. I would put SJ ahead of them. They've been much more consistent anyway.
Realistically aside from SJ and Bathurst (we all knew they would be bad) the Maritime Division has been pretty disappointing. Mind you I would say the Cats aren't really that far off from what I expected. A dark horse team in terms of the league and a team that could finish anywhere between 1st and 3rd in the division. Looks to be exactly on course.
|
|
|
Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 29, 2014 12:58:28 GMT -4
I would say that Rimouski, Quebec, Sherbrooke and Baie-Comeau have all been better than the Cats. Quebec has been playing quite well lately after a bit of a rocky start with guys out. Sherbrooke and BC have both been playing pretty consistently well all season. The Drakkar have benefited from some very good goaltending though. Not sure where Gatineau and Rouyn are coming from. I would put SJ ahead of them. They've been much more consistent anyway. Realistically aside from SJ and Bathurst (we all knew they would be bad) the Maritime Division has been pretty disappointing. Mind you I would say the Cats aren't really that far off from what I expected. A dark horse team in terms of the league and a team that could finish anywhere between 1st and 3rd in the division. Looks to be exactly on course. What do you think they should do at midseason?
|
|
|
Post by mooseinfo on Oct 29, 2014 15:58:13 GMT -4
Certainly hard to compare these 2 teams this early especially considering the different divisions they are in, although that would suggest Gatineau would have it harder. The one thing that stands out is Gatineau is not consistent which could point to coaching/systems. I expect as every year teams need time to get into their routine with some doing it faster. Injuries certainly is a factor in this. Goaltending is what it is though and I think that is the big difference that makes Moncton better for sure. Gatineau has more depth up front and on defense, easier to trade for a goalie than a 2nd line or 2nd defense pair. You said clearly better! You did not say better after trades!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by mooseinfo on Oct 29, 2014 16:05:11 GMT -4
Certainly hard to compare these 2 teams this early especially considering the different divisions they are in, although that would suggest Gatineau would have it harder. The one thing that stands out is Gatineau is not consistent which could point to coaching/systems. I expect as every year teams need time to get into their routine with some doing it faster. Injuries certainly is a factor in this. Goaltending is what it is though and I think that is the big difference that makes Moncton better for sure. Our goaltending has not been stellar lately. Ya I realize that and if you were basing it on 10 or 12 games it would look equal in save percentage. Experience is missing and would show that these 19 yr olds in Gatineau have NEVER played well for more than a couple games at a time. While past seasons show what Moncton has. What can they expect in the playoffs.
|
|
Dugger
Blue-Chip Prospect
Posts: 442
|
Post by Dugger on Oct 29, 2014 18:31:15 GMT -4
I would say that Rimouski, Quebec, Sherbrooke and Baie-Comeau have all been better than the Cats. Quebec has been playing quite well lately after a bit of a rocky start with guys out. Sherbrooke and BC have both been playing pretty consistently well all season. The Drakkar have benefited from some very good goaltending though. Not sure where Gatineau and Rouyn are coming from. I would put SJ ahead of them. They've been much more consistent anyway. Realistically aside from SJ and Bathurst (we all knew they would be bad) the Maritime Division has been pretty disappointing. Mind you I would say the Cats aren't really that far off from what I expected. A dark horse team in terms of the league and a team that could finish anywhere between 1st and 3rd in the division. Looks to be exactly on course. What do you think they should do at midseason? If they have any hockey sense they'll be sellers.
|
|
|
Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 29, 2014 21:05:44 GMT -4
Gatineau has more depth up front and on defense, easier to trade for a goalie than a 2nd line or 2nd defense pair. You said clearly better! You did not say better after trades!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are better right now and have less holes to fill.
|
|
|
Post by Arnold Slick on Oct 29, 2014 21:08:22 GMT -4
I would say that Rimouski, Quebec, Sherbrooke and Baie-Comeau have all been better than the Cats. Quebec has been playing quite well lately after a bit of a rocky start with guys out. Sherbrooke and BC have both been playing pretty consistently well all season. The Drakkar have benefited from some very good goaltending though. Not sure where Gatineau and Rouyn are coming from. I would put SJ ahead of them. They've been much more consistent anyway. Realistically aside from SJ and Bathurst (we all knew they would be bad) the Maritime Division has been pretty disappointing. Mind you I would say the Cats aren't really that far off from what I expected. A dark horse team in terms of the league and a team that could finish anywhere between 1st and 3rd in the division. Looks to be exactly on course. What do you think they should do at midseason? They should sell, but I know they won't. If they did... What kind of market would there be for the 20's? Gatineau might be interested in Dubeau or Lalonde if they decide to buy. Other than that I see most of the contenders as being fairly set at the 20 year old spot. Now I know Rimouski isn't necessarily set, but I don't see what the Cats have to offer as really addressing their needs. Could probably get a lot for Sweeney. I'd have to think most teams would be interested in him if he was on the market. He'll be back as a 20 next season so that definitely ups his value. I would actually fall over in shock if they traded Barbashev or Tkachev. Quebec would be the glaringly obvious fit for one of them, but like I said I know that's not happening.
|
|
|
Post by mooseinfo on Oct 30, 2014 0:07:28 GMT -4
You always see a couple die hard fans calling for sell every time a team is not going to win it all. The majority would think a team was nuts to sell when in 1st or 2nd in the division, winning more of their games and entertaining. They would not understand going to the basement the following year and starting over. In many cases teams would lose their fan base and only a select few franchises would not fold with that strategy.
Money is a factor in these decisions like it or not. Now maybe Irving would not care about losing money but likely would care about the flack/bad PR. If all Q teams employed this strategy it would certainly make the league win most of the Memorial cups. The league would be flooded with bargains that the teams at the top could eat up. In the end the sellers would not improve much with the return in that type of market. Many players and coaches would have a hard time coming to a team like that as well. The building of a team is not that simple. Its easier to do something like this after winning but certainly only arm chair GMs would find this such an easy route.
|
|
|
Post by Arnold Slick on Oct 30, 2014 9:31:29 GMT -4
You always see a couple die hard fans calling for sell every time a team is not going to win it all. The majority would think a team was nuts to sell when in 1st or 2nd in the division, winning more of their games and entertaining. They would not understand going to the basement the following year and starting over. In many cases teams would lose their fan base and only a select few franchises would not fold with that strategy. Money is a factor in these decisions like it or not. Now maybe Irving would not care about losing money but likely would care about the flack/bad PR. If all Q teams employed this strategy it would certainly make the league win most of the Memorial cups. The league would be flooded with bargains that the teams at the top could eat up. In the end the sellers would not improve much with the return in that type of market. Many players and coaches would have a hard time coming to a team like that as well. The building of a team is not that simple. Its easier to do something like this after winning but certainly only arm chair GMs would find this such an easy route. Huh? Attendance is pretty consistent in Moncton whether the team is good, bad or mediocre so that shouldn't be a factor at all. I don't think anyone said it was easy or simple. I don't want them selling players off if they're not going to get fair value. Fact is if you're going to win one round at best and your starting goaltender and top three scorers are all going to be gone next season...you should probably see what's out there. If someone is offering a boatload for one of those guys you should definitely be listening. That said the Cats haven't even quite reached the quarter mark of their season yet. They've played the fewest home games in the league and are tied for the most road games. Lots of time left to evaluate and see where things stand at mid-season.
|
|
Dugger
Blue-Chip Prospect
Posts: 442
|
Post by Dugger on Oct 30, 2014 20:15:38 GMT -4
You always see a couple die hard fans calling for sell every time a team is not going to win it all. The majority would think a team was nuts to sell when in 1st or 2nd in the division, winning more of their games and entertaining. They would not understand going to the basement the following year and starting over. In many cases teams would lose their fan base and only a select few franchises would not fold with that strategy. Money is a factor in these decisions like it or not. Now maybe Irving would not care about losing money but likely would care about the flack/bad PR. If all Q teams employed this strategy it would certainly make the league win most of the Memorial cups. The league would be flooded with bargains that the teams at the top could eat up. In the end the sellers would not improve much with the return in that type of market. Many players and coaches would have a hard time coming to a team like that as well. The building of a team is not that simple. Its easier to do something like this after winning but certainly only arm chair GMs would find this such an easy route. Tell that to Saint John, who were sellers when they had assets to sell but not a team to win it all, all they got from that was 3 years of powerhouse team, loosing to us in the first year in the finals and then a Memorial Cup as well as another Memorial Cup final. This team is pretty good, pretty good doesn't win you championships, their defence is far from stellar and they really are just a one line team, I don't see where they have the assets in the cupboards to plug the amount of holes that need to be plugged to be a championship team. We should have been sellers two years ago but we dropped the ball on that opportunity, they can't make the same mistake twice.
|
|
|
Post by mooseinfo on Oct 30, 2014 20:22:34 GMT -4
You always see a couple die hard fans calling for sell every time a team is not going to win it all. The majority would think a team was nuts to sell when in 1st or 2nd in the division, winning more of their games and entertaining. They would not understand going to the basement the following year and starting over. In many cases teams would lose their fan base and only a select few franchises would not fold with that strategy. Money is a factor in these decisions like it or not. Now maybe Irving would not care about losing money but likely would care about the flack/bad PR. If all Q teams employed this strategy it would certainly make the league win most of the Memorial cups. The league would be flooded with bargains that the teams at the top could eat up. In the end the sellers would not improve much with the return in that type of market. Many players and coaches would have a hard time coming to a team like that as well. The building of a team is not that simple. Its easier to do something like this after winning but certainly only arm chair GMs would find this such an easy route. Tell that to Saint John, who were sellers when they had assets to sell but not a team to win it all, all they got from that was 3 years of powerhouse team, loosing to us in the first year in the finals and then a Memorial Cup as well as another Memorial Cup final. This team is pretty good, pretty good doesn't win you championships, their defence is far from stellar and they really are just a one line team, I don't see where they have the assets in the cupboards to plug the amount of holes that need to be plugged to be a championship team. We should have been sellers two years ago but we dropped the ball on that opportunity, they can't make the same mistake twice. SJ was build from expansion. You missed the whole point of the post and added what was not there.
|
|
Dugger
Blue-Chip Prospect
Posts: 442
|
Post by Dugger on Oct 30, 2014 20:35:58 GMT -4
Tell that to Saint John, who were sellers when they had assets to sell but not a team to win it all, all they got from that was 3 years of powerhouse team, loosing to us in the first year in the finals and then a Memorial Cup as well as another Memorial Cup final. This team is pretty good, pretty good doesn't win you championships, their defence is far from stellar and they really are just a one line team, I don't see where they have the assets in the cupboards to plug the amount of holes that need to be plugged to be a championship team. We should have been sellers two years ago but we dropped the ball on that opportunity, they can't make the same mistake twice. SJ was build from expansion. You missed the whole point of the post and added what was not there. Irving would not loose money, the fan base has been steady since he bought the franchise and they're plan of attack so far the past few years has been reactionary as opposed to showing foresight. Irving is chomping at the bit because both Saint John and Halifax have Memorial Cups and that is killing him which pushes him into bad decision making and we've seen it with our playoff finishes the last few years. He's more apt to loose fan base with the constant mediocre teams he's been icing which yield him nothing other than disgruntled fans who see no vision or hope of a championship team.
|
|
|
Post by bois on Oct 31, 2014 11:43:24 GMT -4
Every team that can't win a championship in a given season can't sell off every asset they have.... there is only one team that wins and realistically 4-5 that may feel they have a shot
|
|