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Post by statsman18 on Sept 1, 2014 18:17:26 GMT -4
I agree with them not being sellers. Actually I have said before they might be buyers. Now if there season goes south fast or they just hover around 500 they might say the hell with it and try and cash in. For some reasons I can see this out come happening to the Cats. If there defence wasn't so much of an unknown I would say they be the best team in the division. That is why I think they can decide to become sellers.
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Post by bois on Sept 1, 2014 18:39:11 GMT -4
I don't see Moncton as a seller at all. Not sure why people think that. They have depth issues, but they quite likely have the best top 2 lines in the division. This has been my position all along. Best top 2 lines in the division and an underrated Goalie. They will win some games. Am I missing something how do you figure Moncton has best top two lines? Barbashev lalonde tkachev and garland solid basis for two scoring lines but you guys have a better first line for sure unless ehlers doesn't return and cape Breton has a far more proven top 6 and we have potential as well
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Post by Citris on Sept 1, 2014 20:25:04 GMT -4
This has been my position all along. Best top 2 lines in the division and an underrated Goalie. They will win some games. Am I missing something how do you figure Moncton has best top two lines? Barbashev lalonde tkachev and garland solid basis for two scoring lines but you guys have a better first line for sure unless ehlers doesn't return and cape Breton has a far more proven top 6 and we have potential as well I think whatever line has Ehlers and Gadoury will be great this season. Cape Breton may have a better top 2 lines, but until I see them play its kind of hard to judge. Moncton is up there tho. I'm not going to count Charlettown out either. I think Sprong will be the best player in the league if he's back next year, the depth they added via trade and the Belmas pick are dangerous. You're probably right about CB being better tho. I mean Moncton has to plug 2 guys into that those top 2 lines to make them really good, CB has a better top 6 overall, and not to mention a better blue line to get them the puck. I have not seen Svechnikov or Dubios play yet, so its a bit up in the air for me right now.
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Post by statsman18 on Sept 2, 2014 7:20:07 GMT -4
This has been my position all along. Best top 2 lines in the division and an underrated Goalie. They will win some games. Am I missing something how do you figure Moncton has best top two lines? Barbashev lalonde tkachev and garland solid basis for two scoring lines but you guys have a better first line for sure unless ehlers doesn't return and cape Breton has a far more proven top 6 and we have potential as well Your forgetting Moncton picked up Cam Askew and he can probably play with Lalonde and Garland to make a pretty solid 2 line. As for the first line just throw in anyone that's willing to hit some and open up the ice for the two Russians.
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Post by melly on Sept 2, 2014 8:07:40 GMT -4
There's no question he will get a first rounder, but he should get 2 to 3 assets really. But as for the overage part there 3 guys that are really good overages that can do the trick. Yeah it takes up that spot but if Fucale cost 3 assets and you can get Auger for 2 or Whitney, Dubeau for 1 asset what might you do. Of course Fucale is the best there but all 3 of those guys can do the trick. Excellent point. Saint John is surely interested in beating Halifax to the punch on this type of trade when the value will be highest. I am sure that the Dogs have thrown Auger's name out in wind before and have some idea what he could fetch when they really want to shop him. The sellers (3 Maritime Teams) may get in each others way and greediness may work against one or two. It would be quite a feather in SJ cap to get a trade done before Halifax and haul back a better loot. Didn't Moncton somewhat start a rebuild at the start of last season. Would seem a little strange to be a 'seller' the year after you start to rebuild.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 8:11:51 GMT -4
Not being Biased here but I will take a top 6 of Sprong-Goulet-Cooper Johnston-Chlapik-Kielly Anyday over moncton's top 2 lines. Personally I think Sprong will be the best player in the division. I like CBS lineup and Halifax. Moncton will be strong too. It's gonna be fun too follow this divison. I keep reading that the maritime division will be weak again but I think it's quite the opposite.
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Post by melly on Sept 2, 2014 8:22:53 GMT -4
Any idea on what the lines will look like next year? I think Ehlers - Gadoury - Meier is a pretty safe bet for the top line but after that it gets a lot harder to figure out. The team is a little heavy at right wing with Falkenham, Shewfelt, Fortier, King and Bent. I doubt the Moose will want to bury any one of Falkenham, Shewfelt or Fortier on the fourth line so one of them will probably have to switch to the opposite wing. Here's my best guess… Ehlers - Gadoury - Meier Falkenham - D. Moynihan - Fortier Vuic - Leblanc - Shewfelt C. Moynihan - Crossley - Bent Watt/King On D I'm completely guessing but... Hardie / Murphy Lussier / J. Fitzgerald Ford / C. Fitzgerald Taillefer Nauss Of the 3 returning D, Hardie and Murphy are certainly a step ahead of Lussier. I think in a year where depth is an issue (a big one) on D, we should spread Murphy and Hardie among the top 2 pairings. Where Lussier can be a bit of a train wreck when he jumps up to join the offense, might be best to have him with Hardie. Of the 3, Murphy has the best head for offense, seems to jump up at the right time, and has the wheels to get back.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Sept 2, 2014 8:43:43 GMT -4
Not being Biased here but I will take a top 6 of Sprong-Goulet-Cooper Johnston-Chlapik-Kielly Anyday over moncton's top 2 lines. Personally I think Sprong will be the best player in the division. I like CBS lineup and Halifax. Moncton will be strong too. It's gonna be fun too follow this divison. I keep reading that the maritime division will be weak again but I think it's quite the opposite. Kielly and Johnston are 3rd liners. If they are on the 2nd it doesn't show much depth. Cape Breton's top two lines likely better than the Islanders top two as well.
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Post by Murph on Sept 2, 2014 8:48:37 GMT -4
Not being Biased here but I will take a top 6 of Sprong-Goulet-Cooper Johnston-Chlapik-Kielly Anyday over moncton's top 2 lines. Personally I think Sprong will be the best player in the division. I like CBS lineup and Halifax. Moncton will be strong too. It's gonna be fun too follow this divison. I keep reading that the maritime division will be weak again but I think it's quite the opposite. I like Sprong and all, but he's 17, and I'd take BOTH Moncton Russians over him for this year. Cape Breton is Moncton's comp for best top 6. Halifax like Charlottetown has a couple really good players, but then a mix of good 3rd liners filling top 6 roles.
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Post by statsman18 on Sept 2, 2014 8:53:23 GMT -4
Not being Biased here but I will take a top 6 of Sprong-Goulet-Cooper Johnston-Chlapik-Kielly Anyday over moncton's top 2 lines. Personally I think Sprong will be the best player in the division. I like CBS lineup and Halifax. Moncton will be strong too. It's gonna be fun too follow this divison. I keep reading that the maritime division will be weak again but I think it's quite the opposite. That was 100% biased. I don't even know how you can say not being biased here. Kielly is ok not that great really. What has CHlapik done so far that you would think he's better then what Monctons second line. As for Sprong being the best player in the division as a bold statement. He's up against Elhers, Barbashev, Svechnikov and if Darcey come back for CB. Look I think he's one he'll of a player and probably be in the top 10 in scoring, but everyone else I just named probably will be too. The maritime division isn't the weak division this year the west is. This division is in the middle really. We have teams that are going to make you earn your wins. 4 of the 6 teams should be relatively close in the standing unless say a Halifax and Moncton pull a PEI last year and just start dumping players.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 9:07:31 GMT -4
Again guys I'm not here to start a pissing match. I just feel our top 6 is being really underrated please save this conversation for the end of the year and if I'm wrong here I will gladly eat crow. I see Kielly putting up 55+ points. I hope all teams in this division battle all year for top spot. It really is just an exciting time for our franchise and I'm sorry if I'm a bit excited to see what our guys can do.
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Post by melly on Sept 2, 2014 9:14:26 GMT -4
Exactly. No need to go with Fucale for practically every game like the other years. I understand why some feel they should but there really is little pressure this year to play him almost every game in a down year. The games he get plus his previous success is enough proof that he will be the #1 goalie on the trade market come December. From an out of towners perspective it will be nice to see how he handles himself on a team that is not stacked. He will likely be fine but I will like to see. Also , you all should want to give Resop a nice chunk of games. Get him into the league while walking the fine line between rushing him in and not playing him at all. If he was to get played as previous backups he would be rushed in come January. On the point where some might be scared that they will not get enough for him this is what I have to say. 1) If Halifax surprises this year and is among the top of the division ( Unlikely but I would like to compare that to CB's 08 season ) I would find it foolish to trade him. 2) Fucale is top 3 out of goaltenders wanted in this league. You may mention a surplus in tenders but you also have to add in the fact that this is a Q year to host the Memorial Cup. I say the two balance each other out. 3) If the slim chance occurs that all talk fails and the best Halifax can get is peanuts then you simply do not trade him. As simple as that. "1) If Halifax surprises this year and is among the top of the division ( Unlikely but I would like to compare that to CB's 08 season ) I would find it foolish to trade him." If Halifax is in, or near the top, of the division, it will speak more about the other teams in the division and less about the Moose. We simply shouldn't be there based on the depth up front, and especially on D. I have found that the Que based teams seem to really jump in and load up in a year where the Q hosts. Having an outside chance at maybe winning in the 1st rd of the playoffs is no reason to keep Fucale. I think we would get pounded in a 2nd rd matchup, and still have not developed a suitable replacement. "2) Fucale is top 3 out of goaltenders wanted in this league. You may mention a surplus in tenders but you also have to add in the fact that this is a Q year to host the Memorial Cup. I say the two balance each other out." The buyers in the market for a top goalie shrinks drastically as each trade period passes and the Xmas trade deadline approaches. Most teams contending will have their tender in place at the start of the season. Anyone intending on upgrading, would to do so more out of 'want', than 'need', and thus be willing to pay much less.... "3) If the slim chance occurs that all talk fails and the best Halifax can get is peanuts then you simply do not trade him. As simple as that." ....If Cam is/was serious about trading Fucale then he would have done it already, or he has a deal in place that will be announced at Xmas. Unfortunately, I am leaning towards the fact that he does not want to trade him. I think we will get the proverbial "nobody was willing to pay" bullshit after the trade deadline passes, and that would be the 1st kink in the 'Cam Russell Aromur'. The organization have NEVER traded a superstar at the right time for a tidy sum.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Sept 2, 2014 9:49:46 GMT -4
Exactly. No need to go with Fucale for practically every game like the other years. I understand why some feel they should but there really is little pressure this year to play him almost every game in a down year. The games he get plus his previous success is enough proof that he will be the #1 goalie on the trade market come December. From an out of towners perspective it will be nice to see how he handles himself on a team that is not stacked. He will likely be fine but I will like to see. Also , you all should want to give Resop a nice chunk of games. Get him into the league while walking the fine line between rushing him in and not playing him at all. If he was to get played as previous backups he would be rushed in come January. On the point where some might be scared that they will not get enough for him this is what I have to say. 1) If Halifax surprises this year and is among the top of the division ( Unlikely but I would like to compare that to CB's 08 season ) I would find it foolish to trade him. 2) Fucale is top 3 out of goaltenders wanted in this league. You may mention a surplus in tenders but you also have to add in the fact that this is a Q year to host the Memorial Cup. I say the two balance each other out. 3) If the slim chance occurs that all talk fails and the best Halifax can get is peanuts then you simply do not trade him. As simple as that. "1) If Halifax surprises this year and is among the top of the division ( Unlikely but I would like to compare that to CB's 08 season ) I would find it foolish to trade him." If Halifax is in, or near the top, of the division, it will speak more about the other teams in the division and less about the Moose. We simply shouldn't be there based on the depth up front, and especially on D. I have found that the Que based teams seem to really jump in and load up in a year where the Q hosts. Having an outside chance at maybe winning in the 1st rd of the playoffs is no reason to keep Fucale. I think we would get pounded in a 2nd rd matchup, and still have not developed a suitable replacement. "2) Fucale is top 3 out of goaltenders wanted in this league. You may mention a surplus in tenders but you also have to add in the fact that this is a Q year to host the Memorial Cup. I say the two balance each other out." The buyers in the market for a top goalie shrinks drastically as each trade period passes and the Xmas trade deadline approaches. Most teams contending will have their tender in place at the start of the season. Anyone intending on upgrading, would to do so more out of 'want', than 'need', and thus be willing to pay much less.... "3) If the slim chance occurs that all talk fails and the best Halifax can get is peanuts then you simply do not trade him. As simple as that." ....If Cam is/was serious about trading Fucale then he would have done it already, or he has a deal in place that will be announced at Xmas. Unfortunately, I am leaning towards the fact that he does not want to trade him. I think we will get the proverbial "nobody was willing to pay" bullshit after the trade deadline passes, and that would be the 1st kink in the 'Cam Russell Aromur'. The organization have NEVER traded a superstar at the right time for a tidy sum. They never won a Memorial Cup before either but got that one right. You either accept the whole enchalada or not...Russell has learned from his mistakes (made many) and has done things right...this team should have already been irrelevant but for finding Gadoury, drafting Ehlers, etc he had the team almost to another finals and were beat by a stacked team. If Fucale is traded it will be at Christmas. The team thinks it owes the fans a competitive product. With the world curling in Halifax the last week of march we probably have no playoff home dates at Metro Center unless they get to round 2 so the team is taking a hit anyway. I do not think they want to take the hard route to the bottom. They think they have found a middle to give them the chance to compete every year. As long as they go out and find players that can play does it really matter?
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Post by bois on Sept 2, 2014 11:25:42 GMT -4
not to be too protective of my fellow Islander fan optimism... but you can't really discount his claims about our top 6 by throwing in the argument that Cam Askew and his 5 goals are part of the best top 6 in the division here... c'mon now
and yep Chlapik has to prove himself before you can put him in the mix but i'd gladly take a 20 year old Ross Johnston in my top 6 over a 17 year old Cam Askew
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Post by statsman18 on Sept 2, 2014 11:35:45 GMT -4
"1) If Halifax surprises this year and is among the top of the division ( Unlikely but I would like to compare that to CB's 08 season ) I would find it foolish to trade him." If Halifax is in, or near the top, of the division, it will speak more about the other teams in the division and less about the Moose. We simply shouldn't be there based on the depth up front, and especially on D. I have found that the Que based teams seem to really jump in and load up in a year where the Q hosts. Having an outside chance at maybe winning in the 1st rd of the playoffs is no reason to keep Fucale. I think we would get pounded in a 2nd rd matchup, and still have not developed a suitable replacement. "2) Fucale is top 3 out of goaltenders wanted in this league. You may mention a surplus in tenders but you also have to add in the fact that this is a Q year to host the Memorial Cup. I say the two balance each other out." The buyers in the market for a top goalie shrinks drastically as each trade period passes and the Xmas trade deadline approaches. Most teams contending will have their tender in place at the start of the season. Anyone intending on upgrading, would to do so more out of 'want', than 'need', and thus be willing to pay much less.... "3) If the slim chance occurs that all talk fails and the best Halifax can get is peanuts then you simply do not trade him. As simple as that." ....If Cam is/was serious about trading Fucale then he would have done it already, or he has a deal in place that will be announced at Xmas. Unfortunately, I am leaning towards the fact that he does not want to trade him. I think we will get the proverbial "nobody was willing to pay" bullshit after the trade deadline passes, and that would be the 1st kink in the 'Cam Russell Aromur'. The organization have NEVER traded a superstar at the right time for a tidy sum. They never won a Memorial Cup before either but got that one right. You either accept the whole enchalada or not...Russell has learned from his mistakes (made many) and has done things right...this team should have already been irrelevant but for finding Gadoury, drafting Ehlers, etc he had the team almost to another finals and were beat by a stacked team. If Fucale is traded it will be at Christmas. The team thinks it owes the fans a competitive product. With the world curling in Halifax the last week of march we probably have no playoff home dates at Metro Center unless they get to round 2 so the team is taking a hit anyway. I do not think they want to take the hard route to the bottom. They think they have found a middle to give them the chance to compete every year. As long as they go out and find players that can play does it really matter? Actually Dubeau has won a Mem Cup before. He was with Shawingian when they won it.
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