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Post by guru on Oct 15, 2014 13:40:13 GMT -4
Forget what it legal and what isn't. The real problem is the Herald and the Mooseheads working together to keep stories at bay (until they have no choice)!
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 15, 2014 13:50:36 GMT -4
Forget what it legal and what isn't. The real problem is the Herald and the Mooseheads working together to keep stories at bay (until they have no choice)! It's not the NHL. Reporters reporting on things the team doesn't like results in that reporter being shut out. Do you believe NHL reporters like Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger report on all the dirt they hear? They report none of it because they're not TMZ. Now imagine a Palov getting shut out from the Mooseheads because he reported something as a scoop that made the team look bad. It adds nothing to his own career and only hurts the access he currently has. Like it or not the media knows way more then they report on because ethics is what drives their business. You want TMZ style coverage with no ethics that exposes people for what you believe they really are. My advice to you is start watching more Kardashians and less hockey if you want that style reporting.
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Post by statsman18 on Oct 15, 2014 13:57:42 GMT -4
Forget what it legal and what isn't. The real problem is the Herald and the Mooseheads working together to keep stories at bay (until they have no choice)! Have you ever heard the expression "don't bite the hand that feeds you"? That's all this is. Willy has been doing this from minute one. Same with John Moore for that matter.
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Post by guru on Oct 15, 2014 13:58:04 GMT -4
Forget what it legal and what isn't. The real problem is the Herald and the Mooseheads working together to keep stories at bay (until they have no choice)! It's not the NHL. Reporters reporting on things the team doesn't like results in that reporter being shut out. Do you believe NHL reporters like Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger report on all the dirt they hear? They report none of it because they're not TMZ. Now imagine a Palov getting shut out from the Mooseheads because he reported something as a scoop that made the team look bad. It adds nothing to his own career and only hurts the access he currently has. Like it or not the media knows way more then they report on because ethics is what drives their business. You want TMZ style coverage with no ethics that exposes people for what you believe they really are. My advice to you is start watching more Kardashians and less hockey if you want that style reporting. Bauer that is shitty advice. McKenzie and Dreger aren't beat writers. But it is bigger than this, it means Palov could have a muzzle on hockey issues as well. If someone gets shutout by the Mooseheads, it would be awesome to see them get called on it!
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 15, 2014 14:10:29 GMT -4
It's not the NHL. Reporters reporting on things the team doesn't like results in that reporter being shut out. Do you believe NHL reporters like Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger report on all the dirt they hear? They report none of it because they're not TMZ. Now imagine a Palov getting shut out from the Mooseheads because he reported something as a scoop that made the team look bad. It adds nothing to his own career and only hurts the access he currently has. Like it or not the media knows way more then they report on because ethics is what drives their business. You want TMZ style coverage with no ethics that exposes people for what you believe they really are. My advice to you is start watching more Kardashians and less hockey if you want that style reporting. Bauer that is shitty advice. McKenzie and Dreger aren't beat writers. But it is bigger than this, it means Palov could have a muzzle on hockey issues as well. If someone gets shutout by the Mooseheads, it would be awesome to see them get called on it! OK guru....every NHL team has beat writers...not 1 NHL player is openly gay. Why arent 1 of the 100 beat writers following 30 teams breaking that news? Surely there's 1 out of 650 players that must be gay so why won't everyone report on it? Palov DOES have a muzzle on for hockey issues. His job can impact the value of the players in the trade so he reports nothing until the team said it's official. How do you not see how his job and is dependant on the team allowing him to cover them and get info out that they want the public to know as much as it is to break news that fans want to know.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 15, 2014 14:14:35 GMT -4
Forget what it legal and what isn't. The real problem is the Herald and the Mooseheads working together to keep stories at bay (until they have no choice)! Not sure how they are "keeping stories at bay" when the story shows up in their newspaper. I'm sure the reporter in question has a good rapport with the team and players so he made sure he had the facts before printing anything...seems pretty logical to me. The worst think you can do in his position is start rumors then suddenly your sources dry up and players/coaches won't answer your questions...lose-lose situation. Sounds like you're looking for controversy where it doesn't exist. The same thing happens with every CHL team, beat reports won't go posting gossip and rumors unless they have the facts.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Oct 15, 2014 14:21:55 GMT -4
It's not the NHL. Reporters reporting on things the team doesn't like results in that reporter being shut out. Do you believe NHL reporters like Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger report on all the dirt they hear? They report none of it because they're not TMZ. Now imagine a Palov getting shut out from the Mooseheads because he reported something as a scoop that made the team look bad. It adds nothing to his own career and only hurts the access he currently has. Like it or not the media knows way more then they report on because ethics is what drives their business. You want TMZ style coverage with no ethics that exposes people for what you believe they really are. My advice to you is start watching more Kardashians and less hockey if you want that style reporting. Bauer that is shitty advice. McKenzie and Dreger aren't beat writers. But it is bigger than this, it means Palov could have a muzzle on hockey issues as well. If someone gets shutout by the Mooseheads, it would be awesome to see them get called on it! You want TMZ/tabloid type coverage of these guys for some reason. Bottom line is some information that the press have (at all levels) isn't always put in print as if to break the story asap. Like Bauer said, the big media guys know stuff they don't print instantly, so it would apply here too. If John Smith, 18, McDonalds employee in Fall River had this happen nobody would hear about it as some sort of big press release. Just because they play on the Mooseheads doesn't mean it MUST be reported right away. It was addressed by the team and in media as being suspended for off-ice behavior, while apparently the investigation is ongoing.
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Post by DropThePuck on Oct 15, 2014 14:28:06 GMT -4
Forget what it legal and what isn't. The real problem is the Herald and the Mooseheads working together to keep stories at bay (until they have no choice)! Sounds like you're looking for controversy where it doesn't exist. The same thing happens with every CHL team, beat reports won't go posting gossip and rumors unless they have the facts. Exactly! Guru is just trying to keep this thread alive for the sake of enticing everyone to reply....stop feeding it and it will go away. Nothing about the way this story has unfolded seems out of the ordinary..... At the end of the day, this kid made some serious decisions that will impact him for a long time. I just hope he gets the help he needs....
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Post by L'il Boy on Oct 15, 2014 14:37:31 GMT -4
If there's ever any talk of having zero tolerance, I'd hope the cell phone whilst driving fines/charges also carry a license suspension immediately to match that of the alcohol/drug zero tolerance fines/charges. That to me is more dangerous than a gents hockey player having 2 beer after playing or watching a hockey game and driving. The Interlock device is something I'd like to look into. For myself and my children who will be driving very soon. I'm not going to encourage anybody to drink and drive...but it's a lot like speeding. If the speed limit is 80 and you drive 85 or 90, chances are you're not putting anybody in mortal danger by being around you. But if the speed limit is 80 and you go 120 or 130 then you are probably a pretty big risk to those on that road. By driving a vehicle at 0.05 or 0.07 you are affected by the alcohol but not enough to make a tangible difference. That's not in the same stratosphere as the guy that's piss drunk and crashes because he's at 0.25 or 0.28 and can barely stand up. That's why a zero tolerance makes no sense.
That has to be the worst analogy I've seen yet.
What if you're just a bad driver? Then, driving under the speed limit could be putting others in mortal danger.
Impairment is determined by many things. How long you've been drinking, what you've had to drink, weight, fatigue, medications, emotional state, how much....or if....you've eaten, etc.
Most people begin to feel the effects of alcohol when their blood alcohol content is somewhere between 0.03% and 0.059%. At this point, the person feels mild euphoria, relaxation, and talkativeness. He or she suffers from impaired alertness, judgment, coordination, and concentration, as well.
In Ontario, if your BAC is 0.05% - 0.08%, for a first offence, you'll get a three day roadside suspension. In BC, you can get a 12 hour licence suspension if your BAC is over 0.03%. Most provinces give 24 hour suspensions for BAC of 0.05%-0.08%.
I'm glad that they don't subscribe to your theory that "driving a vehicle at 0.05 or 0.07 you are affected by the alcohol but not enough to make a tangible difference."
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Post by Joe Rogan on Oct 15, 2014 15:28:48 GMT -4
This is actually a major fundamental flaw of modern day media with untold consequences. Reporters are controlled by the entities they report on. Politicians and corporations all the way down to the local sports teams. Nobody wants to 'bite the hand that feeds them' even though their entire existence and employment should be based on reporting the real news to the masses. The stuff you wouldn't get from press releases. Real investigative reporting.
But now through blackmail, threats, unspoken understandings and the influence advertisers (like the Mooseheads) have in the media (because that's how newspapers make money) you get bullshit reporting. Like Palov with this story.
Now, if you had an independent reporter, that didn't rely on advertising dollars from the Mooseheads, you would get real stories and reporting.
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Post by guru on Oct 15, 2014 15:42:01 GMT -4
This is actually a major fundamental flaw of modern day media with untold consequences. Reporters are controlled by the entities they report on. Politicians and corporations all the way down to the local sports teams. Nobody wants to 'bite the hand that feeds them' even though their entire existence and employment should be based on reporting the real news to the masses. The stuff you wouldn't get from press releases. Real investigative reporting. But now through blackmail, threats, unspoken understandings and the influence advertisers (like the Mooseheads) have in the media (because that's how newspapers make money) you get bullshit reporting. Like Palov with this story. Now, if you had an independent reporter, that didn't rely on advertising dollars from the Mooseheads, you would get real stories and reporting. Finally someone who gets it! There are many more beat reporters in sports that create controversy with their reporting, not saying Palov has to create controversy, but it would be nice having someone not walking on eggshells. Wish the Halifax Examiner had someone covering the Mooseheads.
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Post by guru on Oct 15, 2014 15:43:02 GMT -4
Forget what it legal and what isn't. The real problem is the Herald and the Mooseheads working together to keep stories at bay (until they have no choice)! Not sure how they are "keeping stories at bay" when the story shows up in their newspaper. I'm sure the reporter in question has a good rapport with the team and players so he made sure he had the facts before printing anything...seems pretty logical to me. The worst think you can do in his position is start rumors then suddenly your sources dry up and players/coaches won't answer your questions...lose-lose situation. Sounds like you're looking for controversy where it doesn't exist. The same thing happens with every CHL team, beat reports won't go posting gossip and rumors unless they have the facts. Would be cool having more coverage of all the side deals that go on.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 15, 2014 15:45:35 GMT -4
I'm not going to encourage anybody to drink and drive...but it's a lot like speeding. If the speed limit is 80 and you drive 85 or 90, chances are you're not putting anybody in mortal danger by being around you. But if the speed limit is 80 and you go 120 or 130 then you are probably a pretty big risk to those on that road. By driving a vehicle at 0.05 or 0.07 you are affected by the alcohol but not enough to make a tangible difference. That's not in the same stratosphere as the guy that's piss drunk and crashes because he's at 0.25 or 0.28 and can barely stand up. That's why a zero tolerance makes no sense.
That has to be the worst analogy I've seen yet.
What if you're just a bad driver? Then, driving under the speed limit could be putting others in mortal danger.
Impairment is determined by many things. How long you've been drinking, what you've had to drink, weight, fatigue, medications, emotional state, how much....or if....you've eaten, etc.
Most people begin to feel the effects of alcohol when their blood alcohol content is somewhere between 0.03% and 0.059%. At this point, the person feels mild euphoria, relaxation, and talkativeness. He or she suffers from impaired alertness, judgment, coordination, and concentration, as well.
In Ontario, if your BAC is 0.05% - 0.08%, for a first offence, you'll get a three day roadside suspension. In BC, you can get a 12 hour licence suspension if your BAC is over 0.03%. Most provinces give 24 hour suspensions for BAC of 0.05%-0.08%.
I'm glad that they don't subscribe to your theory that "driving a vehicle at 0.05 or 0.07 you are affected by the alcohol but not enough to make a tangible difference." How is it a bad analogy? How impaired you are is proportional to what your blood alcohol is. Are you trying to say the average person at .15 is not more of a risk on the road than a person that's 0.07? You're just trying to muddy the water by adding other factors. Those factors apply weather you're 0.03 or 0.20. Usually people that are drunk and kill people are not around the legal limit, they are usually 2 or 3 times the legal limit. Even the ones that are at or near 0.08 and fatalities are involved, there is usually also speed and./or no seatbelts.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 15, 2014 16:09:05 GMT -4
This is actually a major fundamental flaw of modern day media with untold consequences. Reporters are controlled by the entities they report on. Politicians and corporations all the way down to the local sports teams. Nobody wants to 'bite the hand that feeds them' even though their entire existence and employment should be based on reporting the real news to the masses. The stuff you wouldn't get from press releases. Real investigative reporting. But now through blackmail, threats, unspoken understandings and the influence advertisers (like the Mooseheads) have in the media (because that's how newspapers make money) you get bullshit reporting. Like Palov with this story. Now, if you had an independent reporter, that didn't rely on advertising dollars from the Mooseheads, you would get real stories and reporting. It's junior hockey of 16-20yr olds. Define real stories and reporting. Reporting 1 DUI may cause you to be able to report on 0 special interest stories about those 25 kids. That worth it when at the end of the day the DUI report sells 0 extra papers and offers you 0 credibility in that market? I'm all for great reporting. But realize what you're reporting on. TMZ style reporting of who is sleeping with who? Perhaps why someones GF didn't attend a recent home game? Invesitgative reporting in junior hockey will just cause a reported to go hungry. There's not much there to investigatively report on....no more then a local high school. Want to report on their athletes as well? What local basketball player got knocked up by the high schools star hockey player? We could go on all night...
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 15, 2014 16:13:00 GMT -4
Not sure how they are "keeping stories at bay" when the story shows up in their newspaper. I'm sure the reporter in question has a good rapport with the team and players so he made sure he had the facts before printing anything...seems pretty logical to me. The worst think you can do in his position is start rumors then suddenly your sources dry up and players/coaches won't answer your questions...lose-lose situation. Sounds like you're looking for controversy where it doesn't exist. The same thing happens with every CHL team, beat reports won't go posting gossip and rumors unless they have the facts. Would be cool having more coverage of all the side deals that go on. The teams making the deals don't even let everyone in the mix on those but you want media to get inside info? The Q changes rules on the fly to suit its favorite teams needs. If i'm in PEI and hear more info about Gatineau fucking my team over with bullshit rule interpretations how does that improve my QMJHL experience as a fan? I'm all for more rumors in terms of who is available, who is talking, etc but that all comes at a price. Todays scoop held until tomorrow might get me 3 more scoops by seasons end. When all the bosses care about is who had what story first that's what you're going to strive for as a media member.
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