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Post by hockeybuff on Nov 9, 2014 13:13:52 GMT -4
The rule of thumb is you need 3 goals to win. How many games have they scored 3 or more? You seem focused on the D. Yes, the D are young but team defense is a 5 man process. When NJ didn't have the horses to score many goals in the mid 90's-00 what did they do? They tightened up the team D and waited for turnovers to attack. I think we can agree that is was successful...2 cups. I think the team will progress at a normal pace. Players are drafted for their potential at maturity (18-19)not while they are in their first year. The days of MacKinnon and Drouin are gone. So it's time for patience and positive reinforcement. It is easy to pick apart the mistakes. We quickly forget that these are kids that still have tons to learn on the ice while juggling their studies. Umm I am optimistic about the team, saying its playing better and better, and saying we can't expect too much from a team with this roster yet. I basically agree with what you are saying. What I don't want to see is us buckle down into a defensive style to try and win games - in a year winning shouldn't be the priority. I like seeing the players have some freedoms out there, and Ducharme coaches an offensive style. I would prefer to see the young guys developing their offensive game rather than be scared to leave the D-zone every shift etc. Short term pain for long term gain. Of course we need to improve as a team in our end, but skill development in rebuild years is important too. Defense wins championships. I agree with the skill development but it has to be within the team concept...as a 5-man unit whether on the offensive or defensive side of the puck. When a proper system is in place it makes the game easier for the players because they will have a specific task in a situation. It's all about structure. What I have been seeing is more of a scramble once the first option doesn't work. However, I do like the movement on the PP. I will keep watching and see how things develop through xmas.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 12, 2014 11:55:51 GMT -4
Danny Moynihan has been given a two-game suspension for a checking from behind incident in this game.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 12, 2014 13:18:57 GMT -4
That's old news, was on twitter on Monday; I haven't seen video but from what I've heard it was a weak suspension.
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Post by sjc on Nov 12, 2014 14:03:54 GMT -4
MacKinnons hit the other night was the exact same play. Buddy lost and edge and went down hard.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 12, 2014 14:23:54 GMT -4
MacKinnons hit the other night was the exact same play. Buddy lost and edge and went down hard. Somewhat similar, but Moynihan (from what I remember) gave him a harder push as he was turning along the boards. And Moynihan hit the guy with the puck. MacKinnon knocked him off balance as they went into the corner for the puck. Still, it was something that happens a hundred times a game but when someone falls into the boards (off balance or whatever) it vilified. Not to bring up an old wound, but the Q again makes no sense when they deem no suspension on the Erne/Drouin hit, but this is a 2 gamer. If you watch play along the boards, you will see guy constantly giving pushes and crosschecks to the guy twisting and turning. As soon as they go down, its a penalty whereas if they stay on their feet, it just regular hockey action.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 12, 2014 14:29:32 GMT -4
I thought it was worth a major and ejection ... and I figured it would get 1 or 2 games. I haven't seen video of it since the incident, but it looked greasy at the time that it occurred. I think it was on Talbot-Tassi ... he was skating into the corner for the loose puck and Moynihan pushed him from behind head first into the boards ... from about 6 feet out.
Any video anywhere ?
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 12, 2014 14:39:27 GMT -4
I thought it was worth a major and ejection ... and I figured it would get 1 or 2 games. I haven't seen video of it since the incident, but it looked greasy at the time that it occurred. I think it was on Talbot-Tassi ... he was skating into the corner for the loose puck and Moynihan pushed him from behind head first into the boards ... from about 6 feet out. Any video anywhere ? I thought he had the puck and was making a turn. I agree, its usually a penalty and I was annoyed he would do it (take that chance) defending a lead at that time. But I don't think it was 2 game suspension worthy honestly. edit: Its in the game replay, around 2:18:00 ish. Tassi sort of lost the puck towards the wall and went after it with Moynihan giving him a shove from behind from the faceoff circle line. It was a bit more dangerous than I remembered, but I am assuming Tassi wasn't hurt? Still seems severe given past rulings and no injury imo.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 12, 2014 14:54:26 GMT -4
Hurt is a very subjective term. He can be hurt on the play and still stay in the game ... but just playing in pain. He may be playing with a sore neck now ... I don't know.
To me it was more of the danger that the act presented that is being suspended ... it was wreckless. It could have been a whole lot worse for Talbot-Tassi.
I think we have seen many similar type hits that got similar suspensions.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 12, 2014 14:55:57 GMT -4
Hurt is a very subjective term. He can be hurt on the play and still stay in the game ... but just playing in pain. He may be playing with a sore neck now ... I don't know. To me it was more of the danger that the act presented that is being suspended ... it was wreckless. It could have been a whole lot worse for Talbot-Tassi. I think we have seen many similar type hits that got similar suspensions. I agree that the act should be suspended in most cases evenly - but as we all know, injuries usually play a big part in the ruling.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 12, 2014 15:42:59 GMT -4
I thought it was worth a major and ejection ... and I figured it would get 1 or 2 games. I haven't seen video of it since the incident, but it looked greasy at the time that it occurred. I think it was on Talbot-Tassi ... he was skating into the corner for the loose puck and Moynihan pushed him from behind head first into the boards ... from about 6 feet out. Any video anywhere ? I'll try and make a clip. I didn't watch the game was it the boarding penalty at 19:13 of the third?
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 12, 2014 15:55:55 GMT -4
Yes ... I believe so.
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Post by hockey1981 on Nov 12, 2014 18:31:42 GMT -4
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 12, 2014 20:31:13 GMT -4
I thought it was worth a major and ejection ... and I figured it would get 1 or 2 games. I haven't seen video of it since the incident, but it looked greasy at the time that it occurred. I think it was on Talbot-Tassi ... he was skating into the corner for the loose puck and Moynihan pushed him from behind head first into the boards ... from about 6 feet out. Any video anywhere ? I'll try and make a clip. I didn't watch the game was it the boarding penalty at 19:13 of the third? Looks like 5 and a game plus 2 to me. Too bad the Refs didn't have the video ... didn't matter.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 12, 2014 23:13:25 GMT -4
O My goodness first time seeing it I agree 5 and a game but that wasn't worth a 2 game suspension if this league wasn't run by an idiot!
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Post by ldub23 on Nov 12, 2014 23:18:39 GMT -4
O My goodness first time seeing it I agree 5 and a game but that wasn't worth a 2 game suspension if this league wasn't run by an idiot! The problem for Danny Moynihan was he had already been suspended earlier this year for trying to put Matthew Highmore through the boards with a hit from behind. The league treats repeat offenders more harshly.
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