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Post by EagleFan2009 on Dec 16, 2014 21:30:01 GMT -4
Norris --- You are the one that brought this crap back up... Joke or no joke. There is no need for that. Since I am on here I will offer my Judge Judy 2 cents. Jack did note that we have to go for it because we have Svechnikov and got Darcy back. I agree that was a spare of the moment decision and a bit too quick on the trigger. However , he clarified that you can still go in and not sell the entire farm. To make the team better for this year and next year. He also noted that GM's have a basic idea of what they are going to be doing well before Christmas. Base has to be touched with GM's way before otherwise no productive trades will even be completed. The ultimate decision is made in December but the estimates and calling around the league etc is made well before. He ridiculed me after posts on completely different subjects for weeks because I didn't buy into the 'go for it' mob when Darcy was sent down, if I want to make jokes about it, I will, thank you very much. I kept saying that anything could happen before the trade window opened and it will influence the decisions being made in December and he acted like I was saying horses have 12 legs, speak french, and ride bears to work at Sobeys. If he can't accept that he was wrong, take jokes about it, and laugh it off, that's his problem. If CB was going into this deadline near the top of the standings with the goal of buying for back to back years of contention, I wouldn't be desperately trying to flip what was said 2 months ago lol he simply would have been right. Your last few points were never argued then, now, or any point in the middle lol see my quote from Oct. 9th. JB refuses to accept that and I find it hilarious every time he tries to act like that was the main point argued back in October when it's never been argued once. Frankly I didn't think it was possible for that joke to start the back-n-forth again. 2 months ago he was trying to force me to decide if I think CB should or should not go for it and now a couple days before the trade window he said "Wait to see the trades and that will dictate the direction." I kind of figured he was finally accepting he jumped the gun 2 months ago, along with many others. I guess I was wrong. At the point in time Darcy returned, most of us were thinking load up for a decent run this year but STILL focus on next year. Yes were young, but the cupboards full. Now obviously the play of this team changes that theory. And you just so happened to be against it, and now the team underachieving makes you right and you continue to rub it in his face. Its pointless. Are you 12? Let it go. Were sick of reading it. No matter what you think, this team needs to improve during the break, and not wait until the offseason. This team is not going to jump from 17th to league title in that small time frame. Wouldn't you agree a few extra months of chemistry will help for next year? Yes the price is a bit higher, but who cares? Picks need to become roster spots NOW. If i was dumont, i would have all picks, bell, pelts on the table. Try and nab some 19 year old talent. Now instead of this banter, how about some trades you guys would like to see happen. Any suggestions?
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Post by JPLAB on Dec 16, 2014 23:01:13 GMT -4
Fucale and Murphy to Quebec is apparently done (can't tell if it's posted in this noise) Edit: Maybe my french isn't as good as I thought? English tweet: Willy Palov ?@willypalov 2m2 minutes ago Regarding the Fucale, Murphy to Quebec discussion. "Nothing has been finalized," Mooseheads GM Cam Russe Edit 2: Willy Palov ?@willypalov 57s58 seconds ago And keep in mind, GMs can't announce or comment on trades prior to Dec. 19, with the exception of those involving 20-year-olds and Euros. so it's probably done but obviously can't be confirmed by anyone on the record. So if this trade does happen which of Quebec's current goalies gets traded? And to where? Any thoughts?
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Post by JPLAB on Dec 16, 2014 23:03:33 GMT -4
Do you expect that Halifax will get Booth?
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Post by JPLAB on Dec 16, 2014 23:05:21 GMT -4
Guess I just answered my own question.
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Post by jamesnorris on Dec 16, 2014 23:43:19 GMT -4
At the point in time Darcy returned, most of us were thinking load up for a decent run this year but STILL focus on next year. Yes were young, but the cupboards full. Now obviously the play of this team changes that theory. And you just so happened to be against it, and now the team underachieving makes you right and you continue to rub it in his face. Its pointless. Are you 12? Let it go. Were sick of reading it. No matter what you think, this team needs to improve during the break, and not wait until the offseason. This team is not going to jump from 17th to league title in that small time frame. Wouldn't you agree a few extra months of chemistry will help for next year? Yes the price is a bit higher, but who cares? Picks need to become roster spots NOW. If i was dumont, i would have all picks, bell, pelts on the table. Try and nab some 19 year old talent. Now instead of this banter, how about some trades you guys would like to see happen. Any suggestions? You can't mock me for saying something at the time and then tell me to grow up when it turns out you were wrong and the mocking is returned lol They can improve during the break without putting too much hurt on the cupboard. Like I've always said, there are some deals that might change my mind but until they happen I can't really change my mind. It would be foolish for me to say CB can't possibly make a big 'buy' trade that I'd like. They're 17th today but there is still half the season to play, plenty of time to add wins and it's not like they're in 17th by much. They've been better before & after Darcy than they were with Darcy so I don't expect CB to stay in the basement all season. -------------------- Biggest thing I'd like to see addressed in this window is filling the depth roles with some more experience. Probably seems insignificant to most but most of the bottom 6 are inexperienced guys like Boucher, Tower, Martineau, and even 19 year olds Brunelle & Smith who won't be back. It's an inexpensive add and the right guys could relieve some of the pressure on the top 6. It's a 30some game trial to figure out if they're the right guys and worst case scenario they were inexpensive anyway.
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Post by jamesnorris on Dec 16, 2014 23:51:50 GMT -4
Do you expect that Halifax will get Booth? He's rumored to be involved but I still don't get it. He seems serious about his education and doing really well with CEGEP, not sure why they'd send him to Halifax when they recruited him specifically for Quebec. Halfiax also looks like they're in for an extensive rebuild and by the time they're ready to get back to contention, Booth would be gone. It'll be interesting to see what it ends up being.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Dec 17, 2014 0:39:23 GMT -4
Do you expect that Halifax will get Booth? He's rumored to be involved but I still don't get it. He seems serious about his education and doing really well with CEGEP, not sure why they'd send him to Halifax when they recruited him specifically for Quebec. Halfiax also looks like they're in for an extensive rebuild and by the time they're ready to get back to contention, Booth would be gone. It'll be interesting to see what it ends up being. But Halifax could move him for a good return at 19 in which will be another Memorial Cup season in the Q. The rumour is picking up pace and the '16 1st and Booth seem to be the consensus base of the deal. And Boucher said he'd only move Booth for Fucale, possibly hinting that the deal in principle was already agreed. Even if it's at the draft and with the collapse of the Moncton deal they send Brassard to Halifax and then Booth at the draft, with Booth and Fucale going this year.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Dec 17, 2014 9:24:58 GMT -4
Not much in the line of rumours about trades on the Eagles end. As far as goaltenders are concerned, the choices are thinning out.Looks like Fucale and Guindon are headed elsewhere. Cadorette might be the only choice as 19 year old. Rumour indicates that Baie-Comeau are selling.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 17, 2014 10:36:41 GMT -4
Not much in the line of rumours about trades on the Eagles end. As far as goaltenders are concerned, the choices are thinning out.Looks like Fucale and Guindon are headed elsewhere. Cadorette might be the only choice as 19 year old. Rumour indicates that Baie-Comeau are selling. A goaltending upgrade in terms of bringing in a 19 or 20yr old would surprise me at this point. I'm expecting tinkering with 2-3 moves including 1 key piece moved.
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Post by emerz on Dec 17, 2014 10:44:57 GMT -4
I think getting some more experienced players for our bottom 6 would be helpful, not really sure who is available but our team right now is basically a 2 line team almost every night.
The occasional depth goal or two in games will go a long way.
Currently nobody in the bottom 6 has over 8 points, not saying they need to light it up or anything but we need some more production.
It will be an interesting trade period for sure... lots of valuable assets and quite a few holes to fill (number one goalie for this year/next, some bottom 6 moves, maybe a 20 year old d-man if Brassard gets moved?)
Honestly I'm not sure what to expect...
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Post by looneytunes on Dec 17, 2014 11:53:29 GMT -4
It increasingly looks like we a keeping Brassard for the year.
What can ya do...
I would be open for Cadorette as long as Dubois is not moved.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Dec 17, 2014 12:04:07 GMT -4
Given our status (17th), looks to me like Dumont might just tinker with the bottom 6 up front which needs major improvement. The only ones that I can see possibly returning next year would be Simard,Martineau and Tower. I think that our first round picks will be more valuable in June than they are now.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 17, 2014 12:16:01 GMT -4
It increasingly looks like we a keeping Brassard for the year. What can ya do... I would be open for Cadorette as long as Dubois is not moved. I can understand the logic that making the right changes to the rest of the lineup will lead to a better system and in turn hopefully see a lower shot quality on the goaltenders. The problem now is finding a balance and figuring out what pieces to keep. When you look at the returning roster assuming Sullivan, Nosella, Smith and Brunelle are not 20's: Pelletier/Bishop/Svechnikov Lazarev/Simard/Dubois Martineau/L'Italien/Tower Boucher/DiCristofaro Leveille/Bell Lalonde/Deschamps MacIntyre/Beaudin Corbiel There's a clear drop off after the top 6 forwards and no room for the 2 youngsters on D to grow. Add in 3 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 3rds and it starts to become clear where the additions need to be made and what assets can be used to fill those holes.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 17, 2014 12:23:00 GMT -4
Given our status (17th), looks to me like Dumont might just tinker with the bottom 6 up front which needs major improvement. The only ones that I can see possibly returning next year would be Simard,Martineau and Tower. I think that our first round picks will be more valuable in June than they are now. And 1sts at that point can be used to fill multiple holes. If say 1 of those picks is 7th overall you may get a lower 1st and future 1st from someone looking to move up. So you bank a 2016 1st and get say pick 17 in 2015. Then trade that pick for picks 28, 38, and 60. Trade picks 28 and 60 for a really solid top 6 20yr old forward and pick 38 and a youngster on D for a goaltender. So for 1 1st and a young D we fill 2 holes and have a 2016 1st. Not something you'd do with every pick but a good example of how 1 1st rounder can fill multiple holes once you get on the draft floor.
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Post by goeagles on Dec 17, 2014 13:03:27 GMT -4
Assuming next year is their go for it year and based on the draft picks and picks from last year I expect them to aquire one top goalie, one or two top defenseman and at least 3 top line forwards. Given that they will still have room to tinker next year at the Christmas deadline and have some prospects.
Pelletier/Bishop/Svechnikov Lazarev/Simard/Dubois Martineau/L'Italien/Tower Boucher/DiCristofaro
Leveille/Bell Lalonde/Deschamps MacIntyre/Beaudin Corbiel
Based on the above list I copied from JB, 3 forwards on the top 2 lines slide down to the third line. 3 forwards from the bottom 5 are no longer here or getting games here and there. Those top two lines are not even close to being enough to contend, need a lot more fire power. Simard and Dubois can be a great third line that can chip in goals. On defense I have a feeling one of Bell, Lalonde and Leveille will no longer be here as you need to acquire a number one and 2 defense. All 3 of those guys should be in the top 4 and will not work in the 5 spot. You can have Deschamps and MacIntyre at 5, 6 and 7 with Beaudin. As for Corbeil I have to assume he will be traded as what do you do with an undersized rookie defenseman with offensive skills when you should have at lease 4 of them ahead of him plus the last 3 I mentioned. With all of their assets they can identify their core group(Bishop, Svechnikov, Lazerev, Dubois, Pelletier, Leveille, Bell, Lalonde) and buy the rest.
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