Trade Period on the Island (or anywhere else)

[SteveUL]

hockeyfan99 said:

steveul said:

I thought Chouinard was in charge of player personnel ... is he just a puppet of Savard ?

WOW I didn't realize that all coaches who have GM's are simply puppets. Someone better explain that to Groulx and the other Q coaches who have a GM.

As I explained before, not all teams work the same as Moncton's. With PEI Savard is still the GM and Chouinard is was named Director of Hockey Operations in recognition that he will have significant imput on all moves made.


Just as our local paper stated:
Rocket head coach Guy Chouinard backed the deal. He doubles as the club’s director of hockey operations

Groulx's job is to Coach ... he takes what he is given and gets them to perform on the ice. He is not involved in trading and drafting players ... although I'm sure his input is always considered. But yes ... Coaches can become puppets ... many times they get over-ruled on which goalie will start ... who will be a healthy scratch ... etc. Thats not a healthy working relationship though ... everybody needs to be on the same page.

The Director of Hockey Operations job is to be in charge of all things pertaining to player personnel and the on-ice product ... including the hiring (and firing) of coaches and assistant coaches, scouts, some scouting, drafting, trading. Obviously the input from others is welcomed (including Savard) but its Chouinard's final call on trades and the like. If its not ... they will butt heads sooner or later.

[peifan]

steveul said:

peifan said:

www.peirocket.com/index.php?page=news&newsID=142

It says in the article that Guy IS the GM and that there is a rule that you cant be GM and Governor of a team.

Well it doesn't really say that ... it says he is handing over the "GM duties" but Chouinard will be Director of Hockey Operations. It doesn't say that Chouinard is the GM ... but it does say that you can't be GM and Governor ... so its unclear. Savard probably just retained the title of President and the new title of Governor and there is no official GM ... and Savard runs the business side.

So ... you people shouldn't be referring to any of these moves as Savard's moves but rather Chouinard's ... its disrespectful.

Serge Savard is also giving up his GM duties to head coach Guy Chouinard, who takes over as director of hockey operations.


“There’s a rule, a law in the Q, you cannot be GM and governor of any team. They don’t want hockey guys to be the governor. The governor is usually the owner,” said Savard.

This right from the article

[SteveUL]

peifan said:

steveul said:

Well it doesn't really say that ... it says he is handing over the "GM duties" but Chouinard will be Director of Hockey Operations. It doesn't say that Chouinard is the GM ... but it does say that you can't be GM and Governor ... so its unclear. Savard probably just retained the title of President and the new title of Governor and there is no official GM ... and Savard runs the business side.

So ... you people shouldn't be referring to any of these moves as Savard's moves but rather Chouinard's ... its disrespectful.

Serge Savard is also giving up his GM duties to head coach Guy Chouinard, who takes over as director of hockey operations.


“There’s a rule, a law in the Q, you cannot be GM and governor of any team. They don’t want hockey guys to be the governor. The governor is usually the owner,” said Savard.

This right from the article

Did you ever read what I wrote ?

[peifan]

If it says "he(Savard) is giving up his GM duties to Chouinard, that tells me Chouinard is the GM

[wingman]

Savard had to drop the GM title because of league rules regarding governers but that doesn't mean he isn't involved in trades, but I think the question is how involved is he. He could still be the one making and receiving the phone calls for trades, or he could simply be giving his stamp of approval on trades that Chouinard makes or the two of them are working side by side in regards to trades.

But for right now I believe Savard is still heavily involved with the trades for the simple fact that Chouinard has been out of the league for so long and is not yet fully familiar with the other players and teams. If the plan is for Savard to eventually give Chouinard full rein on making trades where Savard's involvment is to mostly give his approval, I can't see that happening for at least this trade period because I think there needs to be some kind of transition between the two until Chouinard is back up to speed on the league. It's not like he was a scout, a coach or ass't GM in the league the last few years where he could almost step right in without much of a transition, he was only brought back into the league at the of October. I'm not saying that's the case, but is a possibility.

[wingman]

After the Lessard trade, as good as it was, the biggest mistake that the Rocket can do is not make more changes. That trade was a step in the right direction and they should be making every effort to make more trades like that before the trading deadline. In the past the Rocket have made a trade that will help them build a contender, but after that one trade they stop instead of continuing to add to the re-build. The Morrison trade from last year is a perfect example, they acquired a first line centerman but didn't add much of anything afterwards to build around him. In that respect, the Rocket are their own worse enemies when it comes to building a contender.

Here's to hoping that the Lessard trade is a continuation/start to getting this team on track where we will continue to see a re-build until the end and not have it done half-assed like other years.

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wingman said:

After the Lessard trade, as good as it was, the biggest mistake that the Rocket can do is not make more changes. That trade was a step in the right direction and they should be making every effort to make more trades like that before the trading deadline. In the past the Rocket have made a trade that will help them build a contender, but after that one trade they stop instead of continuing to add to the re-build. The Morrison trade from last year is a perfect example, they acquired a first line centerman but didn't add much of anything afterwards to build around him. In that respect, the Rocket are their own worse enemies when it comes to building a contender.

Here's to hoping that the Lessard trade is a continuation/start to getting this team on track where we will continue to see a re-build until the end and not have it done half-assed like other years.

If they move others like Mo and Lafleur it will be a good move.

However, if they don't, then IMO the Rocket are still better off then what they were.

Yes, we lost our top offensive Dman and our captain.

Lessard, however, was not the strongest in his own zone. He coughed the puck up and looked lost at times.

What we do have now however is another pt per game forward. A player who is not soft and gives it his all. Tousigant will be a great addition to the Rocket's top two lines and the PP.

We got a promising 16yr old dman, who by most people say will be a solid player in this league. Very solid in his own zone.

We also got 19yr old Dman, Gomes. Gomes wont be fancy, but he wont have to be. He'll get 3rd pairing ice time and take some stress/work load off the kids (Deighan and Malouin). All they would want from him is to keep it simple and to play solid in his own zone.

By adding the two Dman, we may have gotten better in our own zone defensively, and are obviously better up front with the addition of Tousigant.

If they decide to trade Mo and others....fine.

If they don't, with the move they made, they are a better team overall IMO then they were yesterday.

[wingman]

I agree with the trade they are a better team than they were regardless if they make any more moves, the more I think about the trade the more I like it. But they shouldn't stop there and IMO they can't if they are serious about building a contending team. If they can make a couple of similar moves like they did yesterday by moving players who won't be here next year, it would be a big boost for next season for when 2 teams from the Q go to the Memorial Cup. I'm not saying it's a given they would go that far with a couple of moves, but they should be making moves with that in mind, IMO.

[bois]

The difference between this year and other years is we havent made any early moves .... other years we added players early than never followed up.. perfect example being last yr when we added Mo and Gervais but then proceeded to deal hawes for nothing and Lund for Lomanno

I think we should try and add other playres for the future if we can score a slamdunk deal like we did with Lessard but i seriously doubt we can

The reason being the lack of 19 year old top pairing D available... that is why we got such a great return.. not becaues lessard was the best player out there

I don't see much market for Walker or Morrison... unless Rouyn can find a goalie to open up an overage slot and drop Sniderman

I think we should try and move LaFleur and/or Latal tho

I still think we can scare somebody in the playoffs depending on the matchup

[IslandersHKY]

There are still some teams that could really benefit from an upgrade of Morrison or Walker to their overagers.

Lewiston with Daneau (19 pts)
RN with Sniderman (if they get a goalie)


And personally I think if a team like Saint John added Lafleur (instead of Fullerton) and Morrison/Walker they would be in tremendous shape although this move is unlikely.


So I still think there are options. Having said that with only a few teams "possibly" looking there may not be the market. And even though I am hoping we make one more move for a big return but if the value isn't there I am satisfied with the trade that Savard made and will enjoy watching Walker/Morrison continue to dominate for the rest of the season.

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Drummondville just acquired Dupont from Rimouski.

Could this mean Gougeon to R-N soon?

Then Mo to RN?

[IslandersHKY]

admin said:

Drummondville just acquired Dupont from Rimouski.

Could this mean Gougeon to R-N soon?

Then Mo to RN?

Interesting thought but unless your basing it on something you heard I can't see it.

Gougeon looks like he has actually played well on a bad team in Drummondville but I can't see RN trading for him to be their starter on a contending team.

I think it is more of an issue that they needed to add a goalie after trading Dyke and Dupont for an 8th is pretty good. Although I find it funny he was traded to Rimouski for a 7th back in Oct so his value hasn't changed much.


The other thing is RN is 6-4 and Sniderman is 13 - 4 so they may stick with what they have. Although he can't be doing that well with a 0.887 save percentage.

But I think RN would be much better off getting a package of Lafleur and Morrison/Walker. Or paying a little more for a goalie elsewhere.

[IslandersHKY]

Well look at this I go and share an uninformed opinion and may come out looking like an ass. ;D

qmjhleast.proboards81.com/index.cgi?board=mooseheads&action=display&thread=1199802850


Rumour posted by some people in the know is a potential deal between RN for Morrison.

[bois]

I think Gougeon is maybe being brought in as a backup

I also think Rouyn would prefer Walker to Morrison

I don't think either will happen but ya never know

If I'm Rouyn however I spend big to try and land Bernier.. then worry about getting a 20 elsewhere.... doesn't even have to be an impact 20 just a guy who can provide more balance and leadership

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Gougeon to RN

For

Davey Shea
1st rd pick 2008


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