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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 3, 2016 14:00:35 GMT -4
Drouin's 5 on 5 efficiency since he entered the NHL is comparable with both Henrik Sedin and Pavel Datsyuk over that time. Exactly.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 3, 2016 14:01:56 GMT -4
Rumblings already about Drouin going to Pittsburgh for Derrick Pouliot, another young talented player not in the best situation. I would think his value and potential is quite a bit more than Pouliot. But another piece or two and that could be a fit.
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Post by sc74 on Jan 3, 2016 14:01:58 GMT -4
This is reminiscent of Seguin in Boston. Everybody thought he was an asshole and troublemaker. Now look at him. Not really the same story. Boston wanted to get rid of him because of his partying ways, I don't think Yzerman wants to get rid of Drouin. Seguin had also proved something in the NHL.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jan 3, 2016 14:02:17 GMT -4
Drouin would not be the first player to have to change his ways and become more a two way player. Look at Yzerman. Look at Ovechkin. Then look at the failures. Thing is they were all cut some slack starting out.
Todays NHL under certain coaches and on that team in particular they never needed another scorer. They have guys lined up for those spots. Namestikov, Kucherov, Johnson...all of them did their time in Syracuse/(Norfolk before that) ---now to Drouins defence Cooper favors guys he had on that Calder Cup winning team in Norfolk. He knows those playersand as his system goes they were already ahead of Drouin.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jan 3, 2016 14:02:59 GMT -4
Rumblings already about Drouin going to Pittsburgh for Derrick Pouliot, another young talented player not in the best situation. Maybe he can wear Sprongs old jersey
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 3, 2016 14:06:09 GMT -4
This is reminiscent of Seguin in Boston. Everybody thought he was an asshole and troublemaker. Now look at him. Not really the same story. Boston wanted to get rid of him because of his partying ways, I don't think Yzerman wants to get rid of Drouin. Seguin had also proved something in the NHL. Seguin was a most accomplished player in the NHL for sure, I just mean a player in a bad standing with a coach/orgnization for 'attitude issues' or whatever you want to call it and him flourishing with a fresh start. I just really don't get the Drouin hate. He hasn't done anything on or off the ice anybody can point to yet they want to vilify him as the problem. Maybe in a few years Cooper will run this ship into the ground and people will look back at how insanely bad they handled Stamkos/Drouin.
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Post by sc74 on Jan 3, 2016 14:10:20 GMT -4
I just really don't get the Drouin hate. He hasn't done anything on or off the ice anybody can point to yet they want to vilify him as the problem. Asking for a trade after one season in the NHL screams sense of entitlement don't you think? Everybody would take him but you can't deny the flags are there. He has done in twice now, QMJHL and NHL. He'll probably flourish, in Tampa or anywhere else. Also, having Walsh as an agent doesn't help at all.
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Post by viper on Jan 3, 2016 14:11:11 GMT -4
Alan Walsh may be an asshole but they made the demands in November and to their credit kept it completely confidential. Tampa responded by playing him less and less and sending him to the AHL indefinitely. Not sure what else the player and agent can do at that point but go public with the demands. They are trying to get out of Tampa so he can get on with his career with a team that wants to develop him, not hold him back. I hope he ends up in Montreal or Colorado. Tampa Bay most likely will not trade him within the division, let alone Montreal. But if that did happen what would he and his agent do when Therrien benches him for the same shit that Cooper is benching him for? I agree. I think if or when he is dealt it will be outside the division and in all likelihood outside the conference. Also in my opinion Pouliot's value isn't close to Drouin's.
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Post by hal on Jan 3, 2016 14:14:33 GMT -4
8 points in 19 games combined with iffy 2 way play means you can`t play regular minutes in the NHL. Based on how he wants to play the game he has to be near a PPG level. You can`t be below .5 and float. That`s what I mean by production. Kid refuses to play NHL hockey. He wants to play a Jr style that gets him some points but fails miserably in a team sport. You have to sit him for making those turnovers, or else he will continue to average 6 goals over a season and still make those mistakes. Smart 2 way play at 1 end will help create possession and opportunity for him at the other end. This isn`t like the World Juniors where it`s a race to win 6-5...NHL is a 3-2 game and you need forwards playing well in all zones...Drouin refuses to adjust to that style. You seem to have some hate on for Drouin. I follow the kids career very closely because I was a huge fan of his when he played in Halifax. I follow the beat reporters in Tampa and read all the comments and articles on his play. So with all due respect, your opinion is mostly baseless. The consensus from around the team and media is he can't get settled into any role because of how Cooper has handled him. Most people around the team are baffled with how he's been treated and can't make any comparisons to other star prospects and their treatment trying to get their feet wet in the NHL. Newsflash: Production is not measured in points per game. Production is measured in points per 60 minutes. When you play 7 minutes per game on the 4th line with other rookies or plugs, 8 points in 19 games is actually pretty impressive. This is just a scenario of a coach and a player not seeing eye to eye and a player needing a fresh start. This is reminiscent of Seguin in Boston. Everybody thought he was an asshole and troublemaker. Now look at him. [/quot.e] Key word is "WAS" .....Boston just got impatient and thought he wouldn't grow out of it
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jan 3, 2016 14:19:39 GMT -4
Drouin is not entirely blameless though, He had some stretches where they tried him on a top line, or tried him on the top PP, and he didn't really take advantage of that. If he wants a big role at 19 or 20 - ahead of the other talented, older guys they already have - he needed to run with his opportunities. He has always had an ego issue - or rather, he expects to succeed in every situation and the NHL has been an adjustment for him, as it would be for most 19/20 year olds who play a finesse game first and foremost. I know he puts a lot of pressure on himself to succeed and to struggle really hits him hard - likely leading to things like requesting a trade at age 20. It's not a healthy way to live but I think it's what makes him tick. Call it ego, call it anxiety... he has an issue with both that he needs to grow out of.
That said, the in/out of the lineup where they mostly had him line 3 or 4 wasn't giving him a great shot to show his stuff and learn from mistakes. It doesn't help that their forward group is very strong and tough to crack the top 6.
I hope he is traded, to a market we see more up here. I hope he gets a regular shift wherever it is on a rebuilding team. I pray it is not the Maple Leafs lol. He is too creative and smart of a player to be held down much longer. By 23-24 he should be a guy you tune in to watch.
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Post by hockeydad on Jan 3, 2016 15:40:10 GMT -4
I think you might see a call from Patrick in Colarado soon to Stevie Y Mac and Drouin would be fun to watch again
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Post by viper on Jan 3, 2016 15:45:03 GMT -4
I think you might see a call from Patrick in Colarado soon to Stevie Y Mac and Drouin would be fun to watch again Colorado's problem is much more defence than offence. If they are making a big deal you would think it would be to address there blue line which has major issues. Drouin may be going nowhere for awhile. Both Marleau and Harmonic have requested trades this year and neither has been moved. Harmonic also had a way better reason for requesting a trade than Drouin does.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jan 3, 2016 16:09:21 GMT -4
I think you might see a call from Patrick in Colarado soon to Stevie Y Mac and Drouin would be fun to watch again Colorado's problem is much more defence than offence. If they are making a big deal you would think it would be to address there blue line which has major issues. Drouin may be going nowhere for awhile. Both Marleau and Harmonic have requested trades this year and neither has been moved. Harmonic also had a way better reason for requesting a trade than Drouin does. R. Johansen requested a trade too The difference is Drouin is still on ELC and th others are bigger cap hits. Patrick Roy: We will see really how much influence he has on Avs decisions if they get in this discussion. Duchene was also being shopped so he could be the chip they trade to improve their D if they trade prospects or picks for Drouin. That said I have my doubts that TB will move quickly on this. It is of no benefit for them to cave to an agent.
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Post by nsvees on Jan 3, 2016 16:36:19 GMT -4
Seems like it was a long time ago Drouin scored in OT in game 7 against Roy in 2012. Drouin is finding out what pro hockey is like and may not be handling it in the right way. The best thing for him to do is to go to the AHL, learn the pro game, get back to the NHL and hopefully become the player we all thought he'd be.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Jan 3, 2016 16:50:37 GMT -4
Seems like it was a long time ago Drouin scored in OT in game 7 against Roy in 2011. Drouin is finding out what pro hockey is like and may not be handling it in the right way. The best thing for him to do is to go to the AHL, learn the pro game, get back to the NHL and hopefully become the player we all thought he'd be. It wasn't that long ago, because that happened in 2012
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