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Post by wingman on Dec 21, 2007 12:41:52 GMT -4
I thought the time was right, just didn't like what the Rocket gave up to get him. At the time, the Rocket had a young defense that struggled as the season went on but acquiring Mealy and Milot, I thought really stabilized the blueline for the rest of the year. Just didn't like giving up Dubuc for him.
Geez, as I was typing about the defense being young and struggling, it reminds me/sounds like the blueline this season. For the sake of sounding negative, the same mistake was made again of going into a season with too young/inexperienced of a blueline.
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Post by bois on Dec 21, 2007 14:53:22 GMT -4
I thought the time was right, just didn't like what the Rocket gave up to get him. At the time, the Rocket had a young defense that struggled as the season went on but acquiring Mealy and Milot, I thought really stabilized the blueline for the rest of the year. Just didn't like giving up Dubuc for him. Geez, as I was typing about the defense being young and struggling, it reminds me/sounds like the blueline this season. For the sake of sounding negative, the same mistake was made again of going into a season with too young/inexperienced of a blueline. It's only right to deal a highly touted 17 year old draft pick for a 20 year old if you are a team in contention or looking to contend... we made that trade to get into the playoffs and lose in round one Rouyn has reaped the benefits of that trade ever since and will continue to do so next year whether they choose to keep Dubuc or deal him to a new contender... meanwhile the defense we were trying to stabilize back then has nobody remaining in a PEI uniform on it nor do we have a single roster player from trading those assets to show for it either Sorry but that is the very definition of a terrible deal |
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Post by wingman on Dec 21, 2007 15:59:06 GMT -4
Which is why I basically said that Mealy was good for the Rocket, but didn't like what they gve up for him. Just because Savard didn't make a good deal in acquiring Mealy, it doesn't diminish what Mealy did for the team or how he played for the Rocket. I wouldn't make that deal involving Dubuc or a 17 yr old either , but I did like what Mealy brought to the team at the time.
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Post by bois on Dec 21, 2007 16:05:21 GMT -4
I never diminished Mealy's contributions at all
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Post by Score on Dec 22, 2007 16:36:33 GMT -4
I never diminished Mealy's contributions at all I think what Wingman is saying(and I agree) is that at the time we needed an experienced Dman back their...big time. So the timing was not bad....it was the perfect time to pick up a Dman like Mealy. What Savard gave up was the issue.....but thats an issue that I blame Jean on....  |
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Post by bois on Dec 22, 2007 18:16:57 GMT -4
I disagree.. we should have gotten the veteran d we needed at the start of the year (same mistake we made this year actually).... Mealy was a great addition but not needed for our team at that time... as we were going nowhere
In fact I think Rouyn was midpack at the time were they not? and yet they still made the trade knowing they were potentially adding an impact scorer for 2-3 years... these are the decisions which our management has never been able to correctly make and keeps us from ever being in real contention
anyways the past is the past... not tryin to piss on anyone here
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Post by perefoura on Dec 23, 2007 1:35:33 GMT -4
I think Lessard has been overrated a bit. Don't get me wrong, he's a solid player and I would take him back in Gatineau in a minute. But the way Groulx was playing him, he always looked excellent, but he never showed up great things either. I must say I was a bit surprised when he was drafted in the 4th round in the NHL. He was too small to be effective against the better players and he was always paired up with a veteran. I think Savard saw in him a #1 D-MAN while he is best suited up for the second pair. I think he's a GREAT, maybe the best 3rd d-man in the league. However, he's still considered a top pairing D, so if you trade him, you should get great return.
I miss Gervais a lot and I would like to still have Main (altough the player we drafted wit you pick is good), but I'm sure glad Morrison and the lazy Walker are gone!
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Post by Fusion on Dec 23, 2007 8:49:41 GMT -4
I miss Gervais a lot and I would like to still have Main (altough the player we drafted wit you pick is good), but I'm sure glad Morrison and the lazy Walker are gone! Just curious... why are you glad Morrison is gone? |
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Post by countryboy on Dec 23, 2007 9:40:41 GMT -4
It's even more similar than you state, bois...... We started the season with Nicolas Leduc as an overager on D, but I think he worked out even worse than Swit... maybe he seemed worse because we had him for significantly longer. It actually looked like we were going into the season with 2 overage D that year, as Savard acquired Daniel LeBlanc during the summer. He was damaged goods that year though and I don't think he ever even stepped on the ice for training camp/practice. cb I disagree.. we should have gotten the veteran d we needed at the start of the year (same mistake we made this year actually).... Mealy was a great addition but not needed for our team at that time... as we were going nowhere In fact I think Rouyn was midpack at the time were they not? and yet they still made the trade knowing they were potentially adding an impact scorer for 2-3 years... these are the decisions which our management has never been able to correctly make and keeps us from ever being in real contention anyways the past is the past... not tryin to piss on anyone here |
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Post by perefoura on Dec 23, 2007 12:32:40 GMT -4
I miss Gervais a lot and I would like to still have Main (altough the player we drafted wit you pick is good), but I'm sure glad Morrison and the lazy Walker are gone! Just curious... why are you glad Morrison is gone? Because the guy seemed like he doesn't care. Sure, he putted up lot of points, but everybody knew he was able to do more. I know it's not everybody who think like that, but personnaly, I prefer a guy who has some skills but not as talented as Morrison but will always be there for the team (ex. JP Chabot) than a guy who could have been a top 10 player in this league for the last 2 years but he didn't worked hard enough to do it. |
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Post by hully67 on Dec 23, 2007 12:49:09 GMT -4
I specifically remeber one game last year just before XMas, when Morriosn was battling in the offensive end and lost the battle in the corner to one of their defensemen and Morrison kind of shrugged his shoulders, looked up in the stands and coasted back to his zone. You should have seen Groulx react when he called him off the ice. Man if looks could kill. The guy sitting next to me - who's been a season ticket holder for the past 10 years - looked at me and said Morrioson wouldn't see the ice anyomore that game and would be gone after Xmas..........he was right. Morrison has talent to burn and if he worked his ass off like a Chabot or Main for that matter, he would dominate no question. Morrison needs to use that high offensive gear defensivley as well but that's fairly common for alot of players his age. At least it's something he can work on because he has the tools.
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Post by Krang7 on Dec 23, 2007 13:45:00 GMT -4
We all saw what Morrison could do in the playoffs last year, when he was playing at his top level. If we keep him for the second half then I'm sure we'll see it again come playoff time this season. You know, where it counts.
How'd Mior fair in the playoffs last year?
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Post by hully67 on Dec 23, 2007 13:50:46 GMT -4
"How'd Mior fair in the playoffs last year?'
Actually played very well with th exception of the OT goal in game 4 in Rouyn. Our lack of playoff success last year had more to do with our top offensive players and veterans going in the tank.
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Post by bois on Dec 23, 2007 14:56:54 GMT -4
would those vetrans who went in the tank include Guilbault and Truhkno?
Because Morrison, Walker and Latal who we all got from you guys were probably our best 3 players come crunch time
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Post by perefoura on Dec 23, 2007 16:10:25 GMT -4
Truhkno yes, not Guilbault.
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