Who to target?

[mboyan]

hully67 said:

"How'd Mior fair in the playoffs last year?'

Actually played very well with th exception of the OT goal in game 4 in Rouyn. Our lack of playoff success last year had more to do with our top offensive players and veterans going in the tank.

6 goals on 25 shots in game 1
2 goals on 37 shots in game 2
6 goals on 35 shots in game 3
5 goals on 35 shots in game 4
4 goals on 21 shots in game 5

4.53 GA and an .850 SAV%

Those don't look like very good numbers for a goalie that "played very well."

[countsheep]

mboyan said:

hully67 said:

"How'd Mior fair in the playoffs last year?'

Actually played very well with th exception of the OT goal in game 4 in Rouyn. Our lack of playoff success last year had more to do with our top offensive players and veterans going in the tank.

6 goals on 25 shots in game 1
2 goals on 37 shots in game 2
6 goals on 35 shots in game 3
5 goals on 35 shots in game 4
4 goals on 21 shots in game 5

4.53 GA and an .850 SAV%

Those don't look like very good numbers for a goalie that "played very well."

You probably shoudn't quote actual, real numbers - some consider that "assinine".

Still, I'll risk it, and here are Mior's playoff numbers from 05-06, against the Titan.

0 goals on 50 shots in Game 1 (!!)
6 goals on 56 shots in Game 2
4 goals on 39 shots in Game 3
6 goals on 28 shots in Game 4
4 goals on 42 shots in Game 5
7 goals on 37 shots in Game 6

First of all, that's way too many shots, an average of 42 per game, so the Rocket wouldn't have won that series regardless, contrary to what happened in 06-07 with Lafleur, in a series the Rocket SHOULD have won.

Still, Mior's save % 05-06 was .893 - average, but not great.

In 06-07 playoffs, Lafleur allowed 30 goals on 248 shots, for a save % of .879. He seemed shaky in 3 of the 4 home games.

In 03-04 playoffs, Rocket goalie Jonathan Boutin allowed 23 goals in 11 games, with a save % of .933 - through 11 games, Boutin did not allow more than 3 goals in a game once!

03-04 is the only year the PEI Rocket ever won a playoff series.

[wingman]

There is no question that you won't go far in the playoffs without good goaltending or at least solid play from your netminders. But in those two years (06/07 & 05/06), did the Rocket really have the players to go beyond the first and second round of the playoffs?

If looking at it stats wise, in 06/07 regular season they finished in 4th place with only 3 points seperating them from 5th and were only one win above a .500 average. There wasn't alot seperating them from Bathurst last season and only had one more win than the Titans. Even if talking about on-ice performance and ignoring the stats, they were still pretty even teams where the series could have went to either team. I don't think goaltending was the difference because Miller and Tardif may have made the save when needed, but they didn't steal many games either.

The 05-06 season was a debacle almost from the start. They finished behind the Fog Devils and the only thing that kept them from being a non-playoff team was the Sea Dogs and both those teams were first year expansion teams that didn't even have players 12 months before. IMO they were fortunate to even be in the playoffs let alone have the 1st round go to six games.

There is no disputing that you need good goaltending to go far in the playoffs but you also need more than goaltending, and those 3 years the Rocket simply didn't have the teams to make a serious playoff run. I know you are trying to show that you need the goaltending, but there is also more to those stats as to why the Rocket never made it out of the first round in 2 of those 3 years and never made it past the second round.

[bois]

countsheep said:

mboyan said:

6 goals on 25 shots in game 1
2 goals on 37 shots in game 2
6 goals on 35 shots in game 3
5 goals on 35 shots in game 4
4 goals on 21 shots in game 5

4.53 GA and an .850 SAV%

Those don't look like very good numbers for a goalie that "played very well."

You probably shoudn't quote actual, real numbers - some consider that "assinine".

No I consider it assinine when you don't post numbers to support your so called facts about Mior

Then when I did post numbers you threw a fit and ran away

Now you're back and wanting to start all over again

But since it's Christmas I am going to be nice

[countsheep]

bois said:

countsheep said:

You probably shoudn't quote actual, real numbers - some consider that "assinine".

No I consider it assinine when you don't post numbers to support your so called facts about Mior

Then when I did post numbers you threw a fit and ran away

Now you're back and wanting to start all over again

But since it's Christmas I am going to be nice

I accept your apology, but I did post numbers, they were career shutout numbers, and they were accurate.


Anyway, there are three important things to remember.

1) Tomorrow is Christmas, so Merry Christmas

2) Big game Friday, I expect a much better crowd, close to 3,000 (remember when that was a poor crowd?)

3) There's only one "s" in "asinine".



The Count -

[bois]

countsheep said:

bois said:

No I consider it assinine when you don't post numbers to support your so called facts about Mior

Then when I did post numbers you threw a fit and ran away

Now you're back and wanting to start all over again

But since it's Christmas I am going to be nice

I accept your apology, but I did post numbers, they were career shutout numbers, and they were accurate.


Anyway, there are three important things to remember.

1) Tomorrow is Christmas, so Merry Christmas

2) Big game Friday, I expect a much better crowd, close to 3,000 (remember when that was a poor crowd?)

3) There's only one "s" in "asinine".



The Count -

I'm not aplogizing

I posted the numbers.. you stated he was an average Q goaltender who never had a save pct close to .900 and was well below average in garnering shutouts

Fact is his save pct save for one year was always around .900... and he has always been a threat to post a shutout.. much moreso than alot of Q goalies

but now this thread is being hijacked.. please let's stay on track here

[countsheep]

bois said:

countsheep said:

I accept your apology, but I did post numbers, they were career shutout numbers, and they were accurate.


Anyway, there are three important things to remember.

1) Tomorrow is Christmas, so Merry Christmas

2) Big game Friday, I expect a much better crowd, close to 3,000 (remember when that was a poor crowd?)

3) There's only one "s" in "asinine".



The Count -

I'm not aplogizing

I posted the numbers.. you stated he was an average Q goaltender who never had a save pct close to .900 and was well below average in garnering shutouts

Fact is his save pct save for one year was always around .900... and he has always been a threat to post a shutout.. much moreso than alot of Q goalies

but now this thread is being hijacked.. please let's stay on track here

"Hijacked"? By whom?

You pursue the Mior matter (which I didn't start, by the way, you can look it up) in your post, and yet you want everyone else to "stay on track"? Good grief!

No need to regulate conversations - that's what they do at PEI Talk, and it turns people off. We're not children.

I was wrong in that Mior did have a save % over .900 in 03-04, but I stand by my statement, which was that Mior's career shutout numbers are nothing special, merely a function of his longevity in the league - his shutouts per games played IS below average for the league. To say that is NOT asinine, it's a fact.

As I said, Merry Christmas, and no need to apologize any further.

[bois]

I didn't pursue the Mior matter at all.. I responded to your obvious shot at me with the "assinine" comment

If you don't want the response don't incite it

His shutouts per games played (is that even a stat) is not below average.. since he has always been in the top half of the league in shutouts

I am not regulating anything just trying to avoid this thread turning into a duplication of an old thread

and I am not apologizing to you .. I've done so before.. you continue your posting style without apologizing to anyone until your inevitable exile again followed by a new username two weeks later

Merry Christmas indeed


do you have any players you think the Rocket should actually acquire.. and why?

[bois]

bois said:

Besides each other's viewpoints of course

It's my opinion we should sell (just an opinion if you disagree that's ok).. it's also my opinion we need to add some solid 18 year old forwards for the next two years to complement our strong base of 17's we currently have

I don't know how viable any of these acquisitions would be but i'd rather talk about this than bitch back and forth about the merits of messageboard postings on QMJHL hockey players

here's who I would love to see the Rocket target if at all possible

1) Jeff DesJardins (would be an excellent playmaking replacement for Brett Morrison)

2) Matthieu Tousignant ( closest thing to Max Lapierre since we had Max Lapierre)

3) P.A. Vandall ( this kid is a pure sniper with wheels to burn)

4) Paul Byron (wishful thinking but we've ripped off Gatineau every year so far.. why buck the trend? )

Got one out of the four..... after seeing Byron yesterday he's obviously untouchable... man that kid is slick