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Post by countsheep on Dec 28, 2007 16:43:48 GMT -4
For 2+ years we complained that Jean was the wrong coach for the Rocket, and that he should be sacked.
Eventually he was, and now we have a top-notch, experienced Q coach, and the team is doing noticeably better.
We should let Guy manage the team, including the trades, and judge the results later.
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Post by bois on Dec 28, 2007 16:47:14 GMT -4
Guy is a great coach
whether he is a great GM remains to be seen
whether he is even being allowed to be a true GM.. I have my doubts
but we are free to comment on what we like.. afterall if we don't it would be like PEITALK where speech is curbed right Sheepherder?
I don't like standing pat doing nothing when we have so many marketable assets and teams have been paying large for big assets thusfar (Marchand, Piche, Marquardt etc)
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Post by countsheep on Dec 28, 2007 17:27:23 GMT -4
Guy is a great coach whether he is a great GM remains to be seen whether he is even being allowed to be a true GM.. I have my doubts but we are free to comment on what we like.. afterall if we don't it would be like PEITALK where speech is curbed right Sheepherder? I don't like standing pat doing nothing when we have so many marketable assets and teams have been paying large for big assets thusfar (Marchand, Piche, Marquardt etc) Oh, don't misunderstand me (purposely?), we are indeed free to comment on whatever we want, that's what discussion boards are all about; differences of opinions are great, as long as the discussion remains civil. You may well be right about who should/should not be traded - you know a lot more about hockey than I do, no sarcasm intended. However, I'm suggesting we let the managers manage, and evaluate the result.....at least wait till trading period is over, anyway. We tend to jump the gun on passing judgment around here.....probably the result of 4+ years of mediocre results. But for the first time, we have an experienced coach/manager who WANTS to be here. We should let him do his job without the benefit of preemptive criticism of what he might/might not do. See you at the game, I'm leaving in a few minutes. 5-2 Rocket, Gélinas is first star again. |
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Post by wingman on Dec 28, 2007 23:52:34 GMT -4
The things is though Countsheep, if this is indeed true in regards to the team being satisfied with trying to win a round or two in the playoffs, we have seen this same pattern for the last 5 years when it comes to building this team. The only goal for this team has been to either make the playoffs or win a round or two. If it was the first time that the team was taking this approach, yeah ok it may be jumping the gun a bit, but this looks like the same old thing where nothing improves and this team is spinning it's wheels once again.
When it was announced that Chouinard was being named the Director of Operations and he was responsible for trades, scouting etc, I remember Savard saying that as team president, the trades still have to come across his desk for approval. It made me wonder then how much freedom that Chouinard had in regards to moves. But if this trading period goes by without any significant moves because they want to try to win a round or two this year, that suggests to me that nothing has changed at all and Savard is still calling some, if not alot of the shots.
If the Rocket are taking this approach for this season and not making any moves to improve for either this year and/or next year and not make the moves to build a contender, I think that is a huge, huge mistake. The next time Savard wants to whine and bitch about attendance being low, he should point the finger at himself instead of the fans. From talking to people tonight about this, there are alot of people fed up with the bullshit of the last five years and if Savard wants to continue to do things that way, attendance is going to get even lower.
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Post by topcon81 on Dec 29, 2007 7:39:56 GMT -4
If the Rocket are really going to basically stay pat with hopes of winning a round or two , I feel that the writing is on the wall that the team will be sold and they will blame it on lack of suport...
They are going to finish in the bottom half of the east and wont win round one....basically every other team are making at least minor improvements whil the Rocket are satisfied with being in the eastern basement , dont make any sense to me at all. If they had to do some minor tweaking it would of shown the fans they at least tried to improve which could bring more people to the games , but now they will have less support than ever.
In regards to Clowe , this is the right move for him....but it is a few months late , if he had been sent to Summerside in October he might have been ready to play with the rocket now , another kid ruined by Savard .
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Post by countsheep on Dec 29, 2007 9:02:23 GMT -4
In regards to Clowe , this is the right move for him....but it is a few months late , if he had been sent to Summerside in October he might have been ready to play with the rocket now , another kid ruined by Savard . Nonsense - and there's no "e" in "Clow". How the hell does being on the roster of a Major Junior team for three frigging months, although not getting much chance to play "ruin" a young player? Good grief, get a grip! |
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Post by wingman on Dec 29, 2007 10:54:10 GMT -4
In regards to Clowe , this is the right move for him....but it is a few months late , if he had been sent to Summerside in October he might have been ready to play with the rocket now , another kid ruined by Savard . Nonsense - and there's no "e" in "Clow". How the hell does being on the roster of a Major Junior team for three frigging months, although not getting much chance to play "ruin" a young player? Good grief, get a grip! After this weekend is he playing major junior? He was a highly touted prospect when he was drafted into the league and after a year and a half he is out of the league, that's either a case of a player not panning out or was ruined by his team. You said yourself he didn't get much of a chance to play and it's kind of hard for a player to pan out or play to his potential when he isn't given a chance to play. His own team doesn't want to play him and they are unable to trade him to a team that could use him. The other teams haven't been able to see him play because the Rocket aren't showcasing him because they are not dressing him or they are keeping him on the bench. In alot of people's books, that's considered ruining a player. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 29, 2007 11:17:30 GMT -4
I hate this approach with a passion Agreed....when will some of these owners and GM's realize that they can't build fan bases by "winning a round or 2" in years when they obviously can not compete for a league title. There are 13 or 14 teams looking to win a round or 2 it looks like.... Go big or go the fuck home imo Agreed. You guys could do like Moncton last year, trade a guy like Morrison without gutting your team...maybe Lessard also. |
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Post by wingman on Dec 29, 2007 12:01:29 GMT -4
I hate this approach with a passion Agreed....when will some of these owners and GM's realize that they can't build fan bases by "winning a round or 2" in years when they obviously can not compete for a league title. There are 13 or 14 teams looking to win a round or 2 it looks like.... Go big or go the fuck home imo I agree with both of you. What does winning a round or two accomplish for you and your fans, nothing. After 5 years of using this approach, attendance and interest dwindling each year, what's the solution....let's keep doing it. It seems like they are saying out of one side of their mouth that things are bad attendance/financial wise, but then out of the other side they say they want to keep running things the way they are and don't want to put the effort in to make this a contending team. At times it almost seems like they are trying to run this team into the ground so they have an excuse to move elsewhere. I'm not saying they are doing that or trying to do that, but that is the impression I sometimes get and I'm not the only one who has gotten that same impression also. |
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Post by rocketlauncher on Dec 30, 2007 15:28:53 GMT -4
Clow will never play Major A again I suspect. He only got about 20 mins of icetime total in 35 games with the team, and has lost interest in the game and faith in the organization. He will play out his career in tier 2 and then it will be off to the rec leagues for him. I would have to agree with wingman that the rocket have ruined him....very poorly handled.
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Post by wingman on Dec 30, 2007 15:53:46 GMT -4
What I don't understand though, wouldn't a team out there take a chance on him if he could be had for a 10th or 12th round draft choice? The Rocket aren't using him and don't seem to want to give him a chance, so why not offer him to a team that would give the kid at least a chance even if the return is basically nothing? Don't bury the kid because you are unwilling to give him a chance and unable to get something of value in reurn from another team because of it.
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Post by countryboy on Dec 30, 2007 16:37:17 GMT -4
That's a pretty short sighted and discouraging remark. If he plays tier 2, he's got 3 years left, then probably a 5 year career in the AUS while getting his education. Not too bad. And that's likely reality if he's playing in Jr. A or in major junior for the next three years of his hockey career. Since you've said he's done, he's dressed for three straight games. I'll admit he's seen little to no ice time in these games, but .... cb Clow will never play Major A again I suspect. He only got about 20 mins of icetime total in 35 games with the team, and has lost interest in the game and faith in the organization. He will play out his career in tier 2 and then it will be off to the rec leagues for him. I would have to agree with wingman that the rocket have ruined him....very poorly handled. |
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Post by rocketlauncher on Dec 30, 2007 16:52:46 GMT -4
He was forced to go this weekend because they were short of bodies.....played zero icetime. He gave up NCAA eleigibilty for this team and has been given no chance to prove himself. His spirit is broken, and he does not have much use for the Rocket organization. Countryboy....before making comments use you head and think about it. Would you want anything to do with a team thats treated you like this....and don't give me the paying his dues shit, because one period of icetime in a half of a season is not paying your dues....its getting screwed over. He hates the game and I don't blame him
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Post by countryboy on Dec 31, 2007 9:37:18 GMT -4
I guess why I was so blunt with my previous post is that you stated it was "confirmed" that he was heading to the Caps.
But confirmed where? Not in the Guardian. Not on the website.
Now, as a reader of this forum, I know you know Clow and talk to the family, etc., etc., etc. So maybe they confirmed it to you.... I guess confirmation can mean many things to different folks.
I'm not impressed with how Clow has been handled. I'll agree forefront that he hasn't been given a fair shake from the get go. This has happened through two coaches, so I'm not sure where the direction is coming from to keep his minutes limited.
I think at the start of the year the suprising emergence of Deighan really hurt Clow's ice time. It's fair to say that Deighan did outplay Clow in late preseason and early season games.
To date, I find that Deighan has kind of slipped back (to playing like a 17 y/o d man should be expected to). But Clow hasn't been given the chance to pick up from the opportunity. Since Chouinard took over, it seems like the top 4 get tons of ice time, but the bottom 2 get spotted in when necessary.
I agree that's he's in an unfortunate spot. I hope the second half of the season goes well for him, whether it's in Ch'town, Summerside or another Q team.
cb
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Post by bois on Dec 31, 2007 9:47:41 GMT -4
No disagreeing the Clow situation has been handled poorly However as a 17 year old kid I think it's far too premature to suggest he would never play major junior again When I was 17 I used to hate drinking beer after a party when I'd wake up with a terrible hangover..... I said many a time I hate beer and will never drink it again... I changed my mind  All the best to Clow no matter what he decides.. I for one hope to see him back next year |
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