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Post by Murph on Jan 11, 2008 19:31:34 GMT -4
Of course it's his opinion.. people see us struggling out of the gate this year and then dealing a couple of our key veterans and assume we're going to be in tough to make the playoffs and if we happen to get in roll over and die in 5 games I think they'll be very surprised VDo may have a better defenseman in Richard (who until last year was on nobody's fucking radar in this league at all but that's fine) but their d as a whole is not ahead of us IMO and their forwards are way way behind but go ahead and sell us short.. we like it Who's selling you short? Your defence isn't as good as VDO's. They have two guys, who are better than the guy who is currently your #1. That may be my opinion, but I gaurentee you won't find anybody with half a clue, that lives outside of PEI that will disagree. VDO has an advantage in nets. An advantage on D, and home ice. I never said you couldn't win the game, just that the Drummondville game was one in which you should win. If you lost vs Drummondville, you could have easily came away from that swing with 0 points. If you actually believe that your team has been improved for this year over the last week, than I've over-estimated your knowledge about tyhe league. You guys are much worse. Going from Lessard to Quaille, and Morrison to Tousigant are major steps back, both in terms of ability, and experience. You guys will battle for the final playoff spot, whether you want to admit it or not. You should make the playoffs IMO, but it's far from a lock. |
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Post by wingman on Jan 11, 2008 19:40:36 GMT -4
Pointing out a November game in which both teams have overhauled their rosters completely does what for your point? Nobody said Lafleur wouldn't have won against the Volts. It's PEI posters that say he's the #2 and has no confidence. You guys WILL battle for the last playoff spot, that Drummondville game was a must win. So basically with 29 games left, does every game should be considered a must win game, if not, which games would you consider to be must win? I can see games against the teams you are fighting with in the standings as being important because in those games you can basically lose 2 points while the other team can gain 2 points. But a game against an out of division team in early-mid January with 29 games left, IMO isn't a must win situation. If a team went into those kinds of games this early in the season with that kind of outlook, chances are they could be too burnt out late in the season when the games are really on the line. I'm not saying they should be treating games like they don't matter, but going too far in the other direction too early can also be just as bad for a team. |
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Post by Murph on Jan 11, 2008 20:40:21 GMT -4
Pointing out a November game in which both teams have overhauled their rosters completely does what for your point? Nobody said Lafleur wouldn't have won against the Volts. It's PEI posters that say he's the #2 and has no confidence. You guys WILL battle for the last playoff spot, that Drummondville game was a must win. So basically with 29 games left, does every game should be considered a must win game, if not, which games would you consider to be must win? I can see games against the teams you are fighting with in the standings as being important because in those games you can basically lose 2 points while the other team can gain 2 points. But a game against an out of division team in early-mid January with 29 games left, IMO isn't a must win situation. If a team went into those kinds of games this early in the season with that kind of outlook, chances are they could be too burnt out late in the season when the games are really on the line. I'm not saying they should be treating games like they don't matter, but going too far in the other direction too early can also be just as bad for a team. Talent wise, there's only a few teams in this league that you're better, or fairly even with. Those games are the ones you need to win to make the playoffs. Just because Drummondville isn't in your conference, it makes no difference. The win is still worth 2 points, and it's 2 points your team (coach) should do everything it can to pick up. |
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Post by wingman on Jan 11, 2008 21:07:07 GMT -4
Talent wise, there's only a few teams in this league that you're better, or fairly even with. Those games are the ones you need to win to make the playoffs. Just because Drummondville isn't in your conference, it makes no difference. The win is still worth 2 points, and it's 2 points your team (coach) should do everything it can to pick up. Talent-wise, you make it sound like the only games the Rocket will win are against teams like Drummondville. They've only played one game since they made the trades, if they've played a few games where they are playing like crap and aren't looking good, then it might be easier to start judging what games are must-win. But right now you are basing that on what the team looks like on paper and we all know that teams don't make the playoffs or don't get knocked out of the playoffs based on what they look like on paper. Give them a chance to see how they do together as a team before saying this game and that game are must wins |
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Post by mboyan on Jan 11, 2008 21:51:01 GMT -4
VDO, isn't the best team offensively, so their chances against Lafleur would probably be similar to what he would have faced in Drummondville. However, VDO does have an advantage over PEI in nets, and on D, plus with them being at home, that's a game PEI probably shouldn't win, unlike Drummondville.If you start Lafleur vs Dru and lose, then come back with Gelinas vs VDO and lose, that could be the playoffs right there. You're still putting Lafleur in an easy spot to get some confidence, and you did everything possible to get the 2pts out of the Volts. Putting Lafleur in "a game PEI probably shouldn't win" is putting Lafleur in an easy spot to get some confidence? Where'd you get that logic??  |
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Post by Murph on Jan 11, 2008 22:38:53 GMT -4
VDO, isn't the best team offensively, so their chances against Lafleur would probably be similar to what he would have faced in Drummondville. However, VDO does have an advantage over PEI in nets, and on D, plus with them being at home, that's a game PEI probably shouldn't win, unlike Drummondville.If you start Lafleur vs Dru and lose, then come back with Gelinas vs VDO and lose, that could be the playoffs right there. You're still putting Lafleur in an easy spot to get some confidence, and you did everything possible to get the 2pts out of the Volts. Putting Lafleur in "a game PEI probably shouldn't win" is putting Lafleur in an easy spot to get some confidence? Where'd you get that logic?? VDO doesn't offer anything from an offensive POV that Drummondville doesn't. At least it's close. The action Lafleur should face would likely be similar in both games, assuming PEI plays the same in both games. Problem with VDO, is you guys might not score on them like you scored on Drummondville. |
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Post by bois on Jan 11, 2008 23:42:07 GMT -4
Murph
we were stronger than VDo before we made the trades
we traded Morrison, Gervais and Lessard but got Quaille, Neiderer, Tousignant, and Gomes who have all been playing in the Q all season long
VDo traded Marchand, Sinkovic and Lavoie for Sauve....
How the hell do you figure that made them stronger than us?
Just because we got off to a very slow start people underestimate the rest of our team
we still have alot of 19 year old players ... we won't be battling for the last playoff spot.. you can take that to the bank.. we will finish ahead of Moncton for sure.. and I wouldn't bet against us finishing ahead of Bathurst, Lewiston or St John's as well
our defense now is better than it was at any point this season.. we lsot a number one who should have been a number 2.. but we've got pieces from 3-7 that fit now.. instead of 4 rookies
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Post by Murph on Jan 12, 2008 9:09:21 GMT -4
Murph we were stronger than VDo before we made the trades we traded Morrison, Gervais and Lessard but got Quaille, Neiderer, Tousignant, and Gomes who have all been playing in the Q all season long VDo traded Marchand, Sinkovic and Lavoie for Sauve.... How the hell do you figure that made them stronger than us? Just because we got off to a very slow start people underestimate the rest of our team we still have alot of 19 year old players ... we won't be battling for the last playoff spot.. you can take that to the bank.. we will finish ahead of Moncton for sure.. and I wouldn't bet against us finishing ahead of Bathurst, Lewiston or St John's as well our defense now is better than it was at any point this season.. we lsot a number one who should have been a number 2.. but we've got pieces from 3-7 that fit now.. instead of 4 rookies Wow..... that borders on the realm of chsb.... To actually think that your better..... just wow.... Qauille and Gervais are a trade off. So you go from Lessard to Garnier..... that's a massive fall off. Gomes and Neiderer might make you guys deeper.... but you're hardly better. Up front, you went from Morrison, who's probably the 6th or 7th best forward in the entire Q, to Tousigant, and good 2nd liner. Another huge hit. Add that Walker is the type of guy that needs a playmaker with him, and his production may even take a hit. Your PP, and PK are all worse as well. As far as you guys being better than VDO prior to the trades, I'll agree with that. I'll also agree that you guys are better up front and probably a better team than them now.... but like I said, you're not better on D, you're not better in nets, and with them having home ice vs you guys that is far from a gaurenteed 2 points. Drummondville was, and you guys needed to treat the game as such. You guys should make the playoffs. You're better than Moncton. You're similar to NFLD, and you're worse than Bathurst on paper, but who knows how they'll respond down the stretch. You could even pass Lewy or CB depending on how many head to head games you have against them, and if you win them all. You guys might pull away from Moncton, and make the playoffs by 15 points. But in reality, both you and Moncton will lose almost all your games vs the upper echelone teams, so it's the games against the other weak teams that will make the difference. Without looking at the schedule, I doubt you have enough of those games to run away with a playoff spot any time soon, and you certainly can't afford to piss away points against teams you're clearly better than, because there aren't many out there. |
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Post by hockeydog on Jan 12, 2008 11:49:22 GMT -4
i would hardly say v.d. is better in nets if gelinas plays. i would think he would have to be ranked in top 3 or 4 goalies in the league the last couple of months.
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Post by mboyan on Jan 12, 2008 13:07:51 GMT -4
Gelinas - 24GPI - 12W 7L - 2.76 GAA - .923 SAV% - 35.7SGA
D'Orso - 39GPI - 19W 20L - 3.05 GAA - .909 SAV% - 33.4SGA
Lafleur, while having a bad year, is still capable of stealing games, and could still start to play with consistency (I won't hold my breath though). I don't know what Dorsey can do.
How does that equates to VD being better in goal? If anything, the Rocket are just as good as VD, IMO. ;D
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Post by hockeydog on Jan 12, 2008 14:33:47 GMT -4
gelinas shows better gaa, better save %, while averaging more shots per game, nuff said.
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Post by bois on Jan 12, 2008 14:44:09 GMT -4
I don't know if we're better now.. I know we're deeper and if not better we aren't far off
We sold but we didn't sell for a bunch of picks and prospects
we got back some players who can play right now
I love how the arguments always come down to "you're like chsb" if you disagree with somebody
Don't ya think those of us who have been following the Rocket for 3-4 years would know a bit better how our team looks than you who are a moose fan whose seen us maybe 5 times all year?
occasionally i'll shit disturb on the other boards for a luagh but i don't come on your board and tell you what kind of team you have... not sure why you feel the need to come on here and do so to us
we're way better than Moncton .. better than lewy too except for in goal ... defense wins championships (oh wait not in Hali it doesn't) but you gotta score some goals to win... i put our offense up against anyone in the East except Hali, SJ and bathurst right now
Walker will be fine.. he doesnt need a playmaker.. he is a playmaker.. check his stats... better yet watch him play
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jan 12, 2008 15:09:37 GMT -4
Sometimes it doesnt matter if you move out better players, bring in worse or YOUNG players... PEI have had issues all year WITH their stars in the lineup... sometimes a shakeup can spark things. Just because you lost a quality player or two, doesnt mean you will be worse. We'll have to give it a few weeks (and Tousignient) to see how this team responds...
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Post by bois on Jan 12, 2008 15:12:02 GMT -4
Sometimes it doesnt matter if you move out better players, bring in worse or YOUNG players... PEI have had issues all year WITH their stars in the lineup... sometimes a shakeup can spark things. Just because you lost a quality player or two, doesnt mean you will be worse. We'll have to give it a few weeks (and Tousignient) to see how this team responds... exactly |
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Post by Score on Jan 12, 2008 21:28:38 GMT -4
Foggies lost tonight too.
With a possible Rocket win tonight, it would put them two pts up on the Foggies....with 4 games in hand.
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