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Trump
May 5, 2018 10:10:57 GMT -4
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Post by moosefan1994 on May 5, 2018 10:10:57 GMT -4
It came out via the New York Times last night. I know it has absolutely nothing to do with her text messages, which were deleted, being found and with the Inspector General report due out in a matter of weeks. Was she investigating you or something? I don't get it? She is, sorry was, part of the deep state witch hunt and she is getting out while she still can. She obviously knows she did something illegal in the start of the investigation into Carter Page , no relation,which she figured would never come to light had Hillary won and is resigning before the IG report comes out.
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Trump
May 5, 2018 10:53:28 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on May 5, 2018 10:53:28 GMT -4
Was she investigating you or something? I don't get it? She is, sorry was, part of the deep state witch hunt and she is getting out while she still can. She obviously knows she did something illegal in the start of the investigation into Carter Page , no relation,which she figured would never come to light had Hillary won and is resigning before the IG report comes out. When you start with the deep state crap, you need to get your head examined. Shady people getting investigated has no deep meaning, it just is...the same as Anthony Weiner and his child porn pictures or Trump and his money laundering. Laws apply to everybody, not just blacks and hispanics.
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Trump
May 7, 2018 12:05:32 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on May 7, 2018 12:05:32 GMT -4
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May 7, 2018 12:16:05 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on May 7, 2018 12:16:05 GMT -4
Pretty sad when Trump(and his cronies) only way out is attacking possibly THE most decorated law enforcement official in the US and a career Republican supporter plus the FBI who protect their asses on a daily basis. So much for being the "Law and Order" party. Sounds crystal clear that Trump is guilty, innocent people don't attack law enforcement even before they are charged with anything.
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Trump
May 7, 2018 12:59:37 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on May 7, 2018 12:59:37 GMT -4
Pretty sad when Trump(and his cronies) only way out is attacking possibly THE most decorated law enforcement official in the US and a career Republican supporter plus the FBI who protect their asses on a daily basis. So much for being the "Law and Order" party. Sounds crystal clear that Trump is guilty, innocent people don't attack law enforcement even before they are charged with anything. Mueller could have prevented the Boston Marathon bombing but because he was too scared of being an Islamophobe the FBI ignored two tips that Tamerlan Tsarneav had terrorist ties" Quote " The bombers' mosque, the Islamic Society of Boston, was incorporated by known and convicted terrorists. The incorporation papers were signed by none other than Abduram Al-Amoudi who is currently serving 23 years in a federal prison for funding terrorism. One of the members of the Board of Trustees included a leader of the International Muslim Brotherhood, Yusef al-Qawadari, who is barred from entering the United States due to his terrorist ties." Quote "Director Mueller had all of the training materials regarding radical Islam “purged” of anything that might offend radical Islamic terrorists. So, in addition to using his “Five Year Up-or-Out” policy to force out so many experienced FBI agents who had been properly trained to identify radical Islamic terrorists, now Mueller was going even further. He was ensuring that new FBI agents would not know what to look for when assessing potentially radicalized individuals." Billy, if you are going to respond at least read the article before you do so - Mueller has a legacy, a legacy of protecting Whitey Bulger, of destroying careers of people ( Curt Weldon) who blew the whistle on him for FBI incompetence which led to 9/11, the anthrax investigation debacle, illegal raids- one of which is noted in here and could have wrecked an easy conviction, the up or out policy which has given the FBI leadership its worse standing since the days of J Edgar Hoover etc.
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Trump
May 8, 2018 7:24:17 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on May 8, 2018 7:24:17 GMT -4
Pretty sad when Trump(and his cronies) only way out is attacking possibly THE most decorated law enforcement official in the US and a career Republican supporter plus the FBI who protect their asses on a daily basis. So much for being the "Law and Order" party. Sounds crystal clear that Trump is guilty, innocent people don't attack law enforcement even before they are charged with anything. Mueller could have prevented the Boston Marathon bombing but because he was too scared of being an Islamophobe the FBI ignored two tips that Tamerlan Tsarneav had terrorist ties" Quote " The bombers' mosque, the Islamic Society of Boston, was incorporated by known and convicted terrorists. The incorporation papers were signed by none other than Abduram Al-Amoudi who is currently serving 23 years in a federal prison for funding terrorism. One of the members of the Board of Trustees included a leader of the International Muslim Brotherhood, Yusef al-Qawadari, who is barred from entering the United States due to his terrorist ties." Quote "Director Mueller had all of the training materials regarding radical Islam “purged” of anything that might offend radical Islamic terrorists. So, in addition to using his “Five Year Up-or-Out” policy to force out so many experienced FBI agents who had been properly trained to identify radical Islamic terrorists, now Mueller was going even further. He was ensuring that new FBI agents would not know what to look for when assessing potentially radicalized individuals." Billy, if you are going to respond at least read the article before you do so - Mueller has a legacy, a legacy of protecting Whitey Bulger, of destroying careers of people ( Curt Weldon) who blew the whistle on him for FBI incompetence which led to 9/11, the anthrax investigation debacle, illegal raids- one of which is noted in here and could have wrecked an easy conviction, the up or out policy which has given the FBI leadership its worse standing since the days of J Edgar Hoover etc. Sounds like a smear campaign to me. Mueller has a great reputation until he started investing Trump and his henchmen, all of a sudden guys like Nunes Giuliani turned on him. When he was head of the FBI the GOP loved him, he also served under OBama I believe. When he was named Gingrich Giuliani Hanity and co all said he was the man for the job. Now that he is finding evidence...he's crooked. ask yourself this question: If he is bad at his job, why did Trump's people name him in the first place??
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Trump
May 8, 2018 8:32:22 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on May 8, 2018 8:32:22 GMT -4
Mueller could have prevented the Boston Marathon bombing but because he was too scared of being an Islamophobe the FBI ignored two tips that Tamerlan Tsarneav had terrorist ties" Quote " The bombers' mosque, the Islamic Society of Boston, was incorporated by known and convicted terrorists. The incorporation papers were signed by none other than Abduram Al-Amoudi who is currently serving 23 years in a federal prison for funding terrorism. One of the members of the Board of Trustees included a leader of the International Muslim Brotherhood, Yusef al-Qawadari, who is barred from entering the United States due to his terrorist ties." Quote "Director Mueller had all of the training materials regarding radical Islam “purged” of anything that might offend radical Islamic terrorists. So, in addition to using his “Five Year Up-or-Out” policy to force out so many experienced FBI agents who had been properly trained to identify radical Islamic terrorists, now Mueller was going even further. He was ensuring that new FBI agents would not know what to look for when assessing potentially radicalized individuals." Billy, if you are going to respond at least read the article before you do so - Mueller has a legacy, a legacy of protecting Whitey Bulger, of destroying careers of people ( Curt Weldon) who blew the whistle on him for FBI incompetence which led to 9/11, the anthrax investigation debacle, illegal raids- one of which is noted in here and could have wrecked an easy conviction, the up or out policy which has given the FBI leadership its worse standing since the days of J Edgar Hoover etc. Sounds like a smear campaign to me. Mueller has a great reputation until he started investing Trump and his henchmen, all of a sudden guys like Nunes Giuliani turned on him. When he was head of the FBI the GOP loved him, he also served under OBama I believe. When he was named Gingrich Giuliani Hanity and co all said he was the man for the job. Now that he is finding evidence...he's crooked. ask yourself this question: If he is bad at his job, why did Trump's people name him in the first place?? Mueller was appointed FBI director by George W Bush in 2001. He was extended for an extra 2 years by Obama after his 10 year term ended in 2011. Louie Goemert says in the article that he went along with Mueller at first because he was told that Mueller was a Bush appointee ie " Toe the company line, rookie." You can say this is a smear job but I already quoted the Boston Globe article weeks ago on here talking about how Mueller protected one of the most vile mobsters ever in Whitey Bulger and I would hardly call the Boston Globe a right wing paper, far from it in fact.
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Trump
May 8, 2018 10:12:01 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on May 8, 2018 10:12:01 GMT -4
Sounds like a smear campaign to me. Mueller has a great reputation until he started investing Trump and his henchmen, all of a sudden guys like Nunes Giuliani turned on him. When he was head of the FBI the GOP loved him, he also served under OBama I believe. When he was named Gingrich Giuliani Hanity and co all said he was the man for the job. Now that he is finding evidence...he's crooked. ask yourself this question: If he is bad at his job, why did Trump's people name him in the first place?? Mueller was appointed FBI director by George W Bush in 2001. He was extended for an extra 2 years by Obama after his 10 year term ended in 2011. Louie Goemert says in the article that he went along with Mueller at first because he was told that Mueller was a Bush appointee ie " Toe the company line, rookie." You can say this is a smear job but I already quoted the Boston Globe article weeks ago on here talking about how Mueller protected one of the most vile mobsters ever in Whitey Bulger and I would hardly call the Boston Globe a right wing paper, far from it in fact. It's pure gaslighting. Mueller was put in by a GOP president, was named as Special Counsel by a GOP president, and is surrounded by career GOPers... This is classic mob tactic, they defend the "boss" or head of the family. The house of cards will come down then they'll pull out their Deep states BS.
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Trump
May 8, 2018 11:03:59 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on May 8, 2018 11:03:59 GMT -4
Mueller was appointed FBI director by George W Bush in 2001. He was extended for an extra 2 years by Obama after his 10 year term ended in 2011. Louie Goemert says in the article that he went along with Mueller at first because he was told that Mueller was a Bush appointee ie " Toe the company line, rookie." You can say this is a smear job but I already quoted the Boston Globe article weeks ago on here talking about how Mueller protected one of the most vile mobsters ever in Whitey Bulger and I would hardly call the Boston Globe a right wing paper, far from it in fact. It's pure gaslighting. Mueller was put in by a GOP president, was named as Special Counsel by a GOP president, and is surrounded by career GOPers... This is classic mob tactic, they defend the "boss" or head of the family. The house of cards will come down then they'll pull out their Deep states BS. Mueller was not appointed to the FBI by Trump which is what you alluded to and Trump did not appoint him as special counsel, that was Rosenstein. And Mueller's team is made up of mostly Democrats and maybe a couple have donated to Republicans before, it was when Gingrich realized that fact that he turned on Mueller when he had been in favor of him before. www.wsj.com/articles/judge-to-mueller-show-me-the-mandate-1525474362QUOTE Special counsel Robert Mueller is used to getting kid-glove treatment. That changed Friday in a federal courtroom in Virginia, where Judge T.S. Ellis directed a blunt challenge to the Mueller team prosecuting former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort on charges of tax and bank fraud, some of which date back to 2005. “I don’t see what relation this indictment has with what the special counsel is authorized to investigate. You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort’s bank fraud,” Judge Ellis told Michael Dreeben, who was representing Mr. Mueller in court. “What you really care about is what information Mr. Manafort could give you that would reflect on Mr. Trump or lead to his prosecution or impeachment.” Judge Ellis won’t win a diplomacy-in-judging prize, but his sharp words expose a central problem with the evolution of the Mueller probe. Though he was appointed to investigate collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign in 2016, Mr. Mueller’s indictments thus far have concerned other matters—lying to the FBI, or in Mr. Manafort’s case actions relating to his business with Ukraine. Mr. Dreeben of Team Mueller responded that the indictment doesn’t exceed the special counsel’s mandate, but the judge wants to see specifically the full and unredacted August 2, 2017 memo from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein saying what Mr. Mueller could pursue. The judge put it this way: “What we don’t want in this country, we don’t want anyone with unfettered power. It’s unlikely you’re going to persuade me the special counsel has unlimited powers to do anything he or she wants.” None of this means a get out of jail pass for Mr. Manafort. As Judge Ellis also suggested, one of his options would be to transfer the case against Mr. Manafort from the special counsel to the U.S. attorney for Eastern Virginia. But if Mr. Mueller refuses to turn over the full “scope” document concerning Mr. Mueller’s mandate, Judge Ellis would be justified in throwing out the indictment. ENDQUOTE
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Trump
May 8, 2018 11:31:09 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on May 8, 2018 11:31:09 GMT -4
thefederalist.com/2018/04/19/revealed-robert-muellers-fbi-repeatedly-abused-prosecutorial-discretion/The Democrat Berger Treated Gently As aggressive as Mueller can be about pursuing the wrong man, he showed surprising leniency and laxity when it came to the case of Samuel “Sandy” Berger, a Clinton White House national security adviser. In the run-up to testifying before the 9/11 Commission that sought to examine the failures that led to those terrorist attacks, Berger visited the National Archives to review classified documents with his notes on them. But instead he intentionally removed and destroyed multiple copies of a classified document the commission should have reviewed for national security purposes, and lied to investigators about it. He was found to have stuffed the documents in his socks and otherwise hidden them. His punishment was that he was allowed to plead guilty in 2005 to a single misdemeanor. He served no jail time but had to give up his security clearance for three years. The staff of Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., authored a 60-page report about the theft of the documents, in which he said “The Justice Department was unacceptably incurious about Berger’s Archives visits.” Berger destroyed classified info and got a slap on the wrist from Mueller. Republican Scooter Libby Charged, But Not The Leaker As lax and lenient as the Department of Justice was with Berger, the opposite was true in other cases. After Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA employee was leaked, a special counsel operation was set up to investigate the leak. Mueller’s deputy Comey pressured John Ashcroft to recuse himself from the case on the grounds he had potential conflicts of interest. Comey named Patrick Fitzgerald, his close personal friend and godfather to one of his children, to the role of special counsel. Mueller, Comey, and Fitzgerald all knew the whole time that Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was the leaker. Yet they set things up so Fitzgerald would aggressively investigate the Bush administration for three years, jailed a journalist for not giving up a source, and pursued both Karl Rove and Scooter Libby. Comey even expanded the investigation’s mandate within weeks of setting up the special counsel. Libby, who was pardoned by President Trump last week, was rung up on a process charge in part thanks to prosecutorial abuse by Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald encouraged a witness to give false testimony by not providing exonerating evidence to her and Libby’s attorneys. Incompetent Supervision Many of these examples of prosecutorial misconduct and abuse were done not by Mueller but by underlings. He should have been aware of what they were doing, which means he should take responsibility for the errors. If he wasn’t aware, that’s a very bad sign regarding his competence to supervise his special counsel deputy Andrew Weissman. If Mueller had no effective supervision against the abuses of the above underlings, why would anyone trust him to supervise his good buddy Weissman, whom he picked to run lead on his probe of Trump? Weissman destroyed the accounting firm Arthur Anderson LLP, which once had 85,000 employees. Thanks to prosecutorial abuse, jurors were not told that Arthur Anderson didn’t have criminal intent when it shredded documents. The Supreme Court unanimously overturned the conviction, but it was too late to save the company. Weissman also “creatively criminalized a business transaction between Merrill Lynch and Enron,” which sent four executives to jail. Weissman concocted unprecedented charges and did not allow the executives to get bail, causing massive disruption to the families before the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed most of Weissman’s case.
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Trump
May 8, 2018 11:44:44 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on May 8, 2018 11:44:44 GMT -4
Quoted from last article:
The media scoff in feigned outrage at President Trump’s claims that the FBI has a reputation that is in tatters. But the last 15 years of leadership of the FBI under Mueller and Comey have largely shown that to be true because of how the FBI handles it cases.
In recent months, the FBI lost a high-profile case against Omar Mateen’s widow Noor Salman, who was charged with material support of ISIS and lying to the FBI about it. The case was an absolute mess. The jury foreman said, “I wish that the FBI had recorded their interviews with Ms. Salman as there were several significant inconsistencies with the written summaries of her statements.” The jury felt that the widow had been bullied into signing a false confession.
On the day after the Pulse shooting, Comey promised the bureau would provide transparency as the case was handled. Almost immediately, the claim of transparency was shown to be false when the FBI redacted the killer’s statements about his Islamist terrorism beliefs in a transcript of his calls with Orlando 911. The bureau was also less than transparent about the fact that Mateen’s father was a long-time FBI informant.
Yesterday (April 18th since this article is from April 19th), Comey told Meghan McCain on The View, “Public confidence in the FBI is its bedrock.” That’s true. And the lack of confidence in the FBI is not the result of Trump and his insults but a pattern of abuse of prosecutorial discretion going back 15 years or so. Mueller is responsible for 10 years of that.
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Trump
May 8, 2018 13:22:49 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on May 8, 2018 13:22:49 GMT -4
Quoted from last article: The media scoff in feigned outrage at President Trump’s claims that the FBI has a reputation that is in tatters. But the last 15 years of leadership of the FBI under Mueller and Comey have largely shown that to be true because of how the FBI handles it cases. In recent months, the FBI lost a high-profile case against Omar Mateen’s widow Noor Salman, who was charged with material support of ISIS and lying to the FBI about it. The case was an absolute mess. The jury foreman said, “I wish that the FBI had recorded their interviews with Ms. Salman as there were several significant inconsistencies with the written summaries of her statements.” The jury felt that the widow had been bullied into signing a false confession. On the day after the Pulse shooting, Comey promised the bureau would provide transparency as the case was handled. Almost immediately, the claim of transparency was shown to be false when the FBI redacted the killer’s statements about his Islamist terrorism beliefs in a transcript of his calls with Orlando 911. The bureau was also less than transparent about the fact that Mateen’s father was a long-time FBI informant. Yesterday (April 18th since this article is from April 19th), Comey told Meghan McCain on The View, “Public confidence in the FBI is its bedrock.” That’s true. And the lack of confidence in the FBI is not the result of Trump and his insults but a pattern of abuse of prosecutorial discretion going back 15 years or so. Mueller is responsible for 10 years of that. Again, this is gaslighting. You take a few isolated incidents where agents made mistakes or far fetched right wing conspiracies and paint the whole FBI with that broad brush. It's n o different than me posting articles about gangs and shooting in Halifax and me calling you and everybody else in Halifax a gangster and dope dealer. It's beyond ridiculous. The attacks on Mueller coincided with the search warrants on Cohen's house and office, Trump is scared shitless that his illegal scams and corrupt deals will be exposes.
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Trump
May 8, 2018 14:07:17 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on May 8, 2018 14:07:17 GMT -4
Quoted from last article: The media scoff in feigned outrage at President Trump’s claims that the FBI has a reputation that is in tatters. But the last 15 years of leadership of the FBI under Mueller and Comey have largely shown that to be true because of how the FBI handles it cases. In recent months, the FBI lost a high-profile case against Omar Mateen’s widow Noor Salman, who was charged with material support of ISIS and lying to the FBI about it. The case was an absolute mess. The jury foreman said, “I wish that the FBI had recorded their interviews with Ms. Salman as there were several significant inconsistencies with the written summaries of her statements.” The jury felt that the widow had been bullied into signing a false confession. On the day after the Pulse shooting, Comey promised the bureau would provide transparency as the case was handled. Almost immediately, the claim of transparency was shown to be false when the FBI redacted the killer’s statements about his Islamist terrorism beliefs in a transcript of his calls with Orlando 911. The bureau was also less than transparent about the fact that Mateen’s father was a long-time FBI informant. Yesterday (April 18th since this article is from April 19th), Comey told Meghan McCain on The View, “Public confidence in the FBI is its bedrock.” That’s true. And the lack of confidence in the FBI is not the result of Trump and his insults but a pattern of abuse of prosecutorial discretion going back 15 years or so. Mueller is responsible for 10 years of that. Again, this is gaslighting. You take a few isolated incidents where agents made mistakes or far fetched right wing conspiracies and paint the whole FBI with that broad brush. It's n o different than me posting articles about gangs and shooting in Halifax and me calling you and everybody else in Halifax a gangster and dope dealer. It's beyond ridiculous. The attacks on Mueller coincided with the search warrants on Cohen's house and office, Trump is scared shitless that his illegal scams and corrupt deals will be exposes. Gaslighting??? WTF are you talking about? These are all easily verifiable incidents, which I have provided, where Mueller has 1) exhibited poor judgement 2) abused his power 3) shown bias to Democrats over Republicans Criticism of Mueller and Comey does not paint a black brush over the entire FBI so your Halifax statement is idiotic, beyond idiotic but that is Billy's modus operandi on here - change the goalposts to suit your argument when you know you are dead wrong or just make up complete bullshit. Criticism of Mueller started in June 2017 after he stacked his team with Democrats, the Cohen search happened last month , try consulting a calendar to establish a timeline.
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May 8, 2018 14:33:07 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on May 8, 2018 14:33:07 GMT -4
Again, this is gaslighting. You take a few isolated incidents where agents made mistakes or far fetched right wing conspiracies and paint the whole FBI with that broad brush. It's n o different than me posting articles about gangs and shooting in Halifax and me calling you and everybody else in Halifax a gangster and dope dealer. It's beyond ridiculous. The attacks on Mueller coincided with the search warrants on Cohen's house and office, Trump is scared shitless that his illegal scams and corrupt deals will be exposes. Gaslighting??? WTF are you talking about? These are all easily verifiable incidents, which I have provided, where Mueller has 1) exhibited poor judgement 2) abused his power 3) shown bias to Democrats over Republicans Criticism of Mueller and Comey does not paint a black brush over the entire FBI so your Halifax statement is idiotic, beyond idiotic but that is Billy's modus operandi on here - change the goalposts to suit your argument when you know you are dead wrong or just make up complete bullshit. Criticism of Mueller started in June 2017 after he stacked his team with Democrats, the Cohen search happened last month , try consulting a calendar to establish a timeline. It's impossible to have a discussion with you when you just pull garbage out your ass constantly. How would Mueller have a bias for Democrats when he's been a registered Republican his whole life and has a record of contributing to Republican campaigns. What Democrats did he "stack his team" with and what does it matter what party somebody supports as long as they do their job. The investigation has been very well run with no leaks. This classic Trump "I'd rather burn the country to the ground before being found guilty" type logic.
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May 8, 2018 15:58:43 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on May 8, 2018 15:58:43 GMT -4
Gaslighting??? WTF are you talking about? These are all easily verifiable incidents, which I have provided, where Mueller has 1) exhibited poor judgement 2) abused his power 3) shown bias to Democrats over Republicans Criticism of Mueller and Comey does not paint a black brush over the entire FBI so your Halifax statement is idiotic, beyond idiotic but that is Billy's modus operandi on here - change the goalposts to suit your argument when you know you are dead wrong or just make up complete bullshit. Criticism of Mueller started in June 2017 after he stacked his team with Democrats, the Cohen search happened last month , try consulting a calendar to establish a timeline. It's impossible to have a discussion with you when you just pull garbage out your ass constantly. How would Mueller have a bias for Democrats when he's been a registered Republican his whole life and has a record of contributing to Republican campaigns. What Democrats did he "stack his team" with and what does it matter what party somebody supports as long as they do their job. The investigation has been very well run with no leaks. This classic Trump "I'd rather burn the country to the ground before being found guilty" type logic. I have provided evidence of his bias in prosecuting Democrats vs Republicans in high profile cases when he was with the FBI- Berger was given a hand slap for destroying classified docs while Libby, who didn't leak Valerie Plame's identity, had to wait over a decade for a pardon. And Mueller knew who the real leaker was in that case. Berger was guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt and got away with it ; Libby wouldn't flip on Cheney and Mueller punished him for not doing so - sound familiar?
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