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Feb 28, 2019 12:27:54 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 28, 2019 12:27:54 GMT -4
Nothing that has happened in Canada is a drop in the ocean compared to what the US has been for 2 years, scandal on top of scandal and the cherry on top is the huge tax breaks to billionaires that skyrocket the debt, it's a punch in the mouth to middle class and poor voters. The sad part is, most who voted for Trump are too stupid to realize it. That’s not really relevant to what I said at all. I never said Trump and Trudeau were comparable, I was simply making a comment about Canada, no need to swing things back to Trump. However, as far as Trump voters being too stupid to realize... it’s kind of funny how people love to talk about democracy and how we have options to vote, until someone they don’t like is elected. Then the narrative changes to, how the system is broken or how the voters are stupid, or complete outrage over the fact the person they supported didn’t win. The fact Trump got elected is more indicative of how poor the other option was running against them then it is a lack of intelligence on his supporters behalf. I think the polarized view of most when it comes to politics now means the current systems are broken and we need less "color following" and more "voter representation" from our politicians but even that comes with a dangerous caveat of us not necessarily liking their choices. I live in a place right now where my local MLA gets criticized daily for supporting his governments health care plan for his area. People think closing hospitals is wrong in an area needing health care improvements. I tend to stand with my MLA that the status quo is why the system is broken and it's too easy to campaign on no change as being the solution and money needs to be spent to modernize health care by closing some older buildings and building smaller but more modern clinics that keep people out of the ER's in the bigger centers. The vocal majority thinks only the opposition listens to them. Not realizing they make the same complaint within 50 days of any election finishing up. In this case I think my MLA fighting against his "teams" plan would be a mistake...unless he honestly believed it was a mistake in which case I think he should be heard but also need to decide whether that's worth his career or not as you can't win every battle in that area and need to look at many other things when deciding how hard to fight. Trudeau campaigned on ditching our current system but back tracked when he actually seen how it would mean more influence from other parties which is what we need to see but nobody wants to co-operate. Because just like I think my Liberal MLA should have a voice...so should the NDP MLA who views spending and modernization as the way to improve things without towing the party line because it's "good politics". I find it insulting as a voter that these people get elected based on campaigns yet when they hit Halifax or Ottawa they've now developed an American style "for or against" everything point of view.
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Feb 28, 2019 12:42:50 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 28, 2019 12:42:50 GMT -4
Nothing that has happened in Canada is a drop in the ocean compared to what the US has been for 2 years, scandal on top of scandal and the cherry on top is the huge tax breaks to billionaires that skyrocket the debt, it's a punch in the mouth to middle class and poor voters. The sad part is, most who voted for Trump are too stupid to realize it. That’s not really relevant to what I said at all. I never said Trump and Trudeau were comparable, I was simply making a comment about Canada, no need to swing things back to Trump. However, as far as Trump voters being too stupid to realize... it’s kind of funny how people love to talk about democracy and how we have options to vote, until someone they don’t like is elected. Then the narrative changes to, how the system is broken or how the voters are stupid, or complete outrage over the fact the person they supported didn’t win. The fact Trump got elected is more indicative of how poor the other option was running against them then it is a lack of intelligence on his supporters behalf. I like to compare Trump to that meme that says “hey I don’t like the way the pilot is driving the plane, let ME drive it!” As much as people think a lot of stuff about politicians, you are always better off with a politician than somebody with no political experience. I’m all for free elections and allowing people to vote, but when you start having Russians(or any other foreign country) interfering in elections and one party trying to limit votes from certain demographics by purging voter registries, closing polling stations in poorer(more ethnic) locations, then you get further away from what actual voters really want. In the US you also have the ridiculous Electoral College where you can win an election despite losing it like GW Bush and Trump(Clinton had 3+M more votes) both did.
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Feb 28, 2019 13:29:24 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Feb 28, 2019 13:29:24 GMT -4
Yes, politicians are experienced in the political arena..... if you want to call failure experience I suppose.
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Feb 28, 2019 14:09:13 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 28, 2019 14:09:13 GMT -4
Yes, politicians are experienced in the political arena..... if you want to call failure experience I suppose. Trump proves the opposite. He constantly looks out of his depth at every turn. He’s failed more in 2 years than politicians with 40 years experience.
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Feb 28, 2019 16:13:08 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Feb 28, 2019 16:13:08 GMT -4
Yes, politicians are experienced in the political arena..... if you want to call failure experience I suppose. Trump proves the opposite. He constantly looks out of his depth at every turn. He’s failed more in 2 years than politicians with 40 years experience. www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_historyConsidering most of the media run negative stories about him 95% of the time, not to mention the Dems won't work with him at all not to mention some Republicans ( who are really Dems but pretend they are Republicans so they can get elected in their states) and the 9th circuit routinely rules against him he must be doing some thing right to show the trend he is. He got the tax cuts in, you can go ahead and call giving people their money back from wasteful government a scandal if you wish of course but I call it the cause of a job boom. He got rid of Obama's overreach in regulation which has got the economy booming. He wants to keep out terrorists from the Middle East and drugs and criminals from Central America in spite of being called racist, the last refuge of a liberal when they have lost the argument. He has done his best to do what he said he was going to do despite the obstruction. His biggest accomplishment is showing what a hateful bunch of people the Democrats really are.
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Feb 28, 2019 17:11:12 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Feb 28, 2019 17:11:12 GMT -4
Yes, politicians are experienced in the political arena..... if you want to call failure experience I suppose. Trump proves the opposite. He constantly looks out of his depth at every turn. He’s failed more in 2 years than politicians with 40 years experience. Yeah, he really looked out of depth when Kim said we'll denuke in certain areas but you have to stop all sanctions. He said nope we want all areas denuked and that includes the places you think we don't know about but we do know. You would think an inexperienced guy like trump would have been so desperate that he gave $150 billion dollars to Kim to get him to comply..... oh wait that was Obama with Iran.... and I know, supposedly the U.S. owed the $$$ to Iran, Trump would have told them to fuck off and rightly so.
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Feb 28, 2019 17:13:22 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 28, 2019 17:13:22 GMT -4
Trump proves the opposite. He constantly looks out of his depth at every turn. He’s failed more in 2 years than politicians with 40 years experience. Yeah, he really looked out of depth when Kim said we'll denuke in certain areas but you have to stop all sanctions. He said nope we want all areas denuked and that includes the places you think we don't know about but we do know. You would think an inexperienced guy like trump would have been so desperate that he gave $150 billion dollars to Kim to get him to comply..... oh wait that was Obama with Iran.... and I know, supposedly the U.S. owed the $$$ to Iran, Trump would have told them to fuck off and rightly so. Still refusing to see how he's legitimizing a dictator who murders both Americans and his own people with no retribution as the "leader of the free world" is quoted as saying he believes none of that has ever happened. President is quoted as saying he believes the leader of North Korea but not the CIA or FBI and that gets a pat on the back from people like yourself. Drink a little bit more of the kool aid.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Feb 28, 2019 17:14:43 GMT -4
Trump proves the opposite. He constantly looks out of his depth at every turn. He’s failed more in 2 years than politicians with 40 years experience. www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_historyConsidering most of the media run negative stories about him 95% of the time, not to mention the Dems won't work with him at all not to mention some Republicans ( who are really Dems but pretend they are Republicans so they can get elected in their states) and the 9th circuit routinely rules against him he must be doing some thing right to show the trend he is. He got the tax cuts in, you can go ahead and call giving people their money back from wasteful government a scandal if you wish of course but I call it the cause of a job boom. He got rid of Obama's overreach in regulation which has got the economy booming. He wants to keep out terrorists from the Middle East and drugs and criminals from Central America in spite of being called racist, the last refuge of a liberal when they have lost the argument. He has done his best to do what he said he was going to do despite the obstruction. His biggest accomplishment is showing what a hateful bunch of people the Democrats really are. You are out of your mind thinking Trump is a victim and is doing nothing but good. You are a terrible judge of character, and put tax cuts on way too high a pedestal. Another massive waste of taxpayer money to fly to the North Korea meeting, and do nothing but elevate Kim Jong Un on the global scale and insult Warmbier's family...while again letting a dictator off the hook because they said "not my fault". He is a massive failure as a human being and leader.
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Feb 28, 2019 17:32:49 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Feb 28, 2019 17:32:49 GMT -4
Yeah, he really looked out of depth when Kim said we'll denuke in certain areas but you have to stop all sanctions. He said nope we want all areas denuked and that includes the places you think we don't know about but we do know. You would think an inexperienced guy like trump would have been so desperate that he gave $150 billion dollars to Kim to get him to comply..... oh wait that was Obama with Iran.... and I know, supposedly the U.S. owed the $$$ to Iran, Trump would have told them to fuck off and rightly so. Still refusing to see how he's legitimizing a dictator who murders both Americans and his own people with no retribution as the "leader of the free world" is quoted as saying he believes none of that has ever happened. President is quoted as saying he believes the leader of North Korea but not the CIA or FBI and that gets a pat on the back from people like yourself. Drink a little bit more of the kool aid. It was under Trump that hostages North Korea took were freed, that is no Koolaid, that is FACT while Obama was unsuccessful but I am sure he tried real hard. Trump certainly believed his Secretary of State, Pompeo- former head of the CIA, when he told him the sites Kim thought was secret and called Kim out on it when Kim said he would only denuke a site everybody knew was going to be offered anyways for full relief of sanctions. Trump is trying to solve an issue that if solved makes the southeast Pacific an even better place. By having the summit in Vietnam he showed Kim what happens to former communist countries who modernized and without the threat of nuclear war. Vietnam was a shithole country to use Trump's words, now it is part of what is called the Asian Cubs, along with Thailand , Malaysia and Indonesia.
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Feb 28, 2019 17:36:12 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 28, 2019 17:36:12 GMT -4
Still refusing to see how he's legitimizing a dictator who murders both Americans and his own people with no retribution as the "leader of the free world" is quoted as saying he believes none of that has ever happened. President is quoted as saying he believes the leader of North Korea but not the CIA or FBI and that gets a pat on the back from people like yourself. Drink a little bit more of the kool aid. It was under Trump that hostages North Korea took were freed, that is no Koolaid, that is FACT while Obama was unsuccessful but I am sure he tried real hard. Trump certainly believed his Secretary of State, Pompeo- former head of the CIA, when he told him the sites Kim thought was secret and called Kim out on it when Kim said he would only denuke a site everybody knew was going to be offered anyways for full relief of sanctions. Trump is trying to solve an issue that if solved makes the southeast Pacific an even better place. By having the summit in Vietnam he showed Kim what happens to former communist countries who modernized and without the threat of nuclear war. Vietnam was a shithole country to use Trump's words, now it is part of what is called the Asian Cubs, along with Thailand , Malaysia and Indonesia. LOL! Your "FACTS" weren't something anyone disputed. Quit ignoring the direct statements and making up your own that have nothing to do with anything. It's pathetic. Clearly you either didn't read any transcripts or what Trump has said about Un or you simply don't care as it doesn't fit your narrow minded right wing agenda. You're NOT trying to solve any issue by legitimizing a dictator who kills his own people. You can keep ignoring that point but it doesn't change it from being true.
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Feb 28, 2019 17:38:07 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 28, 2019 17:38:07 GMT -4
www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_historyConsidering most of the media run negative stories about him 95% of the time, not to mention the Dems won't work with him at all not to mention some Republicans ( who are really Dems but pretend they are Republicans so they can get elected in their states) and the 9th circuit routinely rules against him he must be doing some thing right to show the trend he is. He got the tax cuts in, you can go ahead and call giving people their money back from wasteful government a scandal if you wish of course but I call it the cause of a job boom. He got rid of Obama's overreach in regulation which has got the economy booming. He wants to keep out terrorists from the Middle East and drugs and criminals from Central America in spite of being called racist, the last refuge of a liberal when they have lost the argument. He has done his best to do what he said he was going to do despite the obstruction. His biggest accomplishment is showing what a hateful bunch of people the Democrats really are. You are out of your mind thinking Trump is a victim and is doing nothing but good. You are a terrible judge of character, and put tax cuts on way too high a pedestal. Another massive waste of taxpayer money to fly to the North Korea meeting, and do nothing but elevate Kim Jong Un on the global scale and insult Warmbier's family...while again letting a dictator off the hook because they said "not my fault". He is a massive failure as a human being and leader. Why would they cut taxes if their economy is running so well? What's hilarious is these right wingers think Trump has saved the US economy but Trudeau is tanking ours. Meanwhile both have been going down similar paths with job growth and record low unemployment rates yet sky high debt. Neither side has it figured out yet for the next 6 months you'll read right wing Canadians bashing Trudeau and his poor economy plan while they praise Trump for his.
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Feb 28, 2019 17:40:36 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 17:40:36 GMT -4
Trump proves the opposite. He constantly looks out of his depth at every turn. He’s failed more in 2 years than politicians with 40 years experience. www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_historyConsidering most of the media run negative stories about him 95% of the time, not to mention the Dems won't work with him at all not to mention some Republicans ( who are really Dems but pretend they are Republicans so they can get elected in their states) and the 9th circuit routinely rules against him he must be doing some thing right to show the trend he is. He got the tax cuts in, you can go ahead and call giving people their money back from wasteful government a scandal if you wish of course but I call it the cause of a job boom. He got rid of Obama's overreach in regulation which has got the economy booming. He wants to keep out terrorists from the Middle East and drugs and criminals from Central America in spite of being called racist, the last refuge of a liberal when they have lost the argument. He has done his best to do what he said he was going to do despite the obstruction. His biggest accomplishment is showing what a hateful bunch of people the Democrats really are. I believe Trump and the GOP have a mutually beneficial deal, he gives them what they want which is what you described above and a lot more, and they try to look the other way on his criminal dealings and stuffing his pockets $ from the presidency but it’s turning out to be a bastard of a deal with the devil for the GOP as Trump is a EXTREMLY flawed individual. Couldnt help but think of this song as the lerics ring true and it wouldn’t be hard for the stones to ad a verse to describe what’s going on at present. Question is who’s the devil ?
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Mar 1, 2019 7:20:26 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 1, 2019 7:20:26 GMT -4
www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_historyConsidering most of the media run negative stories about him 95% of the time, not to mention the Dems won't work with him at all not to mention some Republicans ( who are really Dems but pretend they are Republicans so they can get elected in their states) and the 9th circuit routinely rules against him he must be doing some thing right to show the trend he is. He got the tax cuts in, you can go ahead and call giving people their money back from wasteful government a scandal if you wish of course but I call it the cause of a job boom. He got rid of Obama's overreach in regulation which has got the economy booming. He wants to keep out terrorists from the Middle East and drugs and criminals from Central America in spite of being called racist, the last refuge of a liberal when they have lost the argument. He has done his best to do what he said he was going to do despite the obstruction. His biggest accomplishment is showing what a hateful bunch of people the Democrats really are. You are out of your mind thinking Trump is a victim and is doing nothing but good. You are a terrible judge of character, and put tax cuts on way too high a pedestal. Another massive waste of taxpayer money to fly to the North Korea meeting, and do nothing but elevate Kim Jong Un on the global scale and insult Warmbier's family...while again letting a dictator off the hook because they said "not my fault". He is a massive failure as a human being and leader. The "he told me very strongly that he didn't do it" line is downright comical. Yeah I'm sure if I call Putin he will admit to murdering hundreds of journalists and blowing up the Malasian Airlines flight... ~facepalm~
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Mar 1, 2019 9:28:26 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Mar 1, 2019 9:28:26 GMT -4
You are out of your mind thinking Trump is a victim and is doing nothing but good. You are a terrible judge of character, and put tax cuts on way too high a pedestal. Another massive waste of taxpayer money to fly to the North Korea meeting, and do nothing but elevate Kim Jong Un on the global scale and insult Warmbier's family...while again letting a dictator off the hook because they said "not my fault". He is a massive failure as a human being and leader. Why would they cut taxes if their economy is running so well? What's hilarious is these right wingers think Trump has saved the US economy but Trudeau is tanking ours. Meanwhile both have been going down similar paths with job growth and record low unemployment rates yet sky high debt. Neither side has it figured out yet for the next 6 months you'll read right wing Canadians bashing Trudeau and his poor economy plan while they praise Trump for his. Canada's economy is being propelled along by the strong U.S. economy thanks to the pro-business policy that Trump has brought in. tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth
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Mar 1, 2019 9:45:08 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 1, 2019 9:45:08 GMT -4
Why would they cut taxes if their economy is running so well? What's hilarious is these right wingers think Trump has saved the US economy but Trudeau is tanking ours. Meanwhile both have been going down similar paths with job growth and record low unemployment rates yet sky high debt. Neither side has it figured out yet for the next 6 months you'll read right wing Canadians bashing Trudeau and his poor economy plan while they praise Trump for his. Canada's economy is being propelled along by the strong U.S. economy thanks to the pro-business policy that Trump has brought in. If anything has been “propelled” by anything else it’s Trump benefitting from Obama fixing GW Bush’s mess. If anything the middle class is doing worse since he took over, he cut rich folks’ taxes and now the middle class and poor are paying more of the tax base(average tax return is down over 10% for 2018) and they are rapidly plunging into massive debt. The crazy part of the debt/economic discussion… US federal debt per citizen $67,484 Canadian federal debt per citizen $18,671 Plus we have much much better social programs…healthcare for all, CPP etc Had Trump come in after GW and started putting in tariffs, the US would look like Venezuela. A guy who can bankrupt a casino can’t be very bring in economics.
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