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May 6, 2020 6:19:41 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on May 6, 2020 6:19:41 GMT -4
Trump .....Never wore a "MASK".... yesterday to a Honeywell Factory in Arizona ...that was converted over to produce .........guesses anyone ?.........yep you guessed it ....."MASKS" ......for fighting the Pandemic . Based on most doctors views i've heard on this it sounds like if f you are tested daily as he probably is it's just a waste of a mask. This is where people are becoming insane with this stuff. The most newsworthy part of that visit was "Live and Let Die" playing in the background.
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Trump
May 6, 2020 8:08:04 GMT -4
Post by lirette on May 6, 2020 8:08:04 GMT -4
Trump .....Never wore a "MASK".... yesterday to a Honeywell Factory in Arizona ...that was converted over to produce .........guesses anyone ?.........yep you guessed it ....."MASKS" ......for fighting the Pandemic . Based on most doctors views i've heard on this it sounds like if f you are tested daily as he probably is it's just a waste of a mask. This is where people are becoming insane with this stuff. The most newsworthy part of that visit was "Live and Let Die" playing in the background. His followers are that of a cult. Everything he does they will do, the biggest benefit of him wearing a mask is setting an example for others to take it seriously. The CDC recommends masks but Trump won't wear one, who do you think the anti science crowd ends up listening to?
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Trump
May 6, 2020 8:26:39 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on May 6, 2020 8:26:39 GMT -4
Based on most doctors views i've heard on this it sounds like if f you are tested daily as he probably is it's just a waste of a mask. This is where people are becoming insane with this stuff. The most newsworthy part of that visit was "Live and Let Die" playing in the background. His followers are that of a cult. Everything he does they will do, the biggest benefit of him wearing a mask is setting an example for others to take it seriously. The CDC recommends masks but Trump won't wear one, who do you think the anti science crowd ends up listening to? I get that. But you're talking about people who already ignore science and medical opinion so any visual impact of Trump wearing a mask isn't going to electroshock those people back to having common sense. I'd be more concerned with him not isolating after travel then I would be about the masks. But either way his base is the "Storm the capital armed with no masks to yell in the face of security" people. 1 leader wearing a mask isn't doing anything for those people unless it's a white hood they can rally behind.
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Trump
May 6, 2020 10:43:27 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on May 6, 2020 10:43:27 GMT -4
Based on most doctors views i've heard on this it sounds like if f you are tested daily as he probably is it's just a waste of a mask. This is where people are becoming insane with this stuff. The most newsworthy part of that visit was "Live and Let Die" playing in the background. His followers are that of a cult. Everything he does they will do, the biggest benefit of him wearing a mask is setting an example for others to take it seriously. The CDC recommends masks but Trump won't wear one, who do you think the anti science crowd ends up listening to? Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Same for his tweeting about the "liberate" protests. He sees it as a political thing trying to get fringe voters where he can, he couldn't care less if people get sick or die.
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Trump
May 6, 2020 11:03:54 GMT -4
Post by lirette on May 6, 2020 11:03:54 GMT -4
His followers are that of a cult. Everything he does they will do, the biggest benefit of him wearing a mask is setting an example for others to take it seriously. The CDC recommends masks but Trump won't wear one, who do you think the anti science crowd ends up listening to? I get that. But you're talking about people who already ignore science and medical opinion so any visual impact of Trump wearing a mask isn't going to electroshock those people back to having common sense. I'd be more concerned with him not isolating after travel then I would be about the masks. But either way his base is the "Storm the capital armed with no masks to yell in the face of security" people. 1 leader wearing a mask isn't doing anything for those people unless it's a white hood they can rally behind. I think there's 2 main groups. The extremeist/fringe group belonging folks we see out at these liberate protests who have been radicalized for many years, and the quiet conservative voting base that will vote republican the rest of their lives who sit at home on a saturday night and take in fox news as their only source of information. The 2nd group is more the group he can influence by standing in front of a podium and telling them this is serious. We have proof of that with the stories of people trying to get hydroxychloroquine and flooding agencies with calls about drinking disinfectants.
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May 6, 2020 11:28:10 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on May 6, 2020 11:28:10 GMT -4
I get that. But you're talking about people who already ignore science and medical opinion so any visual impact of Trump wearing a mask isn't going to electroshock those people back to having common sense. I'd be more concerned with him not isolating after travel then I would be about the masks. But either way his base is the "Storm the capital armed with no masks to yell in the face of security" people. 1 leader wearing a mask isn't doing anything for those people unless it's a white hood they can rally behind. I think there's 2 main groups. The extremeist/fringe group belonging folks we see out at these liberate protests who have been radicalized for many years, and the quiet conservative voting base that will vote republican the rest of their lives who sit at home on a saturday night and take in fox news as their only source of information. The 2nd group is more the group he can influence by standing in front of a podium and telling them this is serious. We have proof of that with the stories of people trying to get hydroxychloroquine and flooding agencies with calls about drinking disinfectants. Yeah, there is a misconception that ewverybody that voted for him is in his "base" and they go to rallies and will never change. There is probably 3-5% of the electorate in the US that is these Republican fringe groups, they are racist and go to all his rallies(in their area) There is a second group of 20-25% that is hard core conservative/Repiblican base who listen to Faux News and follow him because of what those people say. If Shawn Hannity told them to vote for a horse in a suit 70% of them would do it. The other 10-20% of voters are Independant who voted for him bought the "both sides are bad" media narrative about "but her e-mails", or thought Trump would "shake up the system". Those are the voters he is losing when the economy tanks and he looks incompetent on Covid-19. Democrats have a bigger base, but they need the voters to turn out(like in 2018), not enough did in 2016 in part due to voter suppression and Russian Facebook messaging, many of those are minority or women. this was very apparent in swing states in 2016. Biden needs Dems to show up and vote and get at least 50% of independants. Right now they have 60 to 70%.
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Trump
May 6, 2020 11:57:21 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on May 6, 2020 11:57:21 GMT -4
I get that. But you're talking about people who already ignore science and medical opinion so any visual impact of Trump wearing a mask isn't going to electroshock those people back to having common sense. I'd be more concerned with him not isolating after travel then I would be about the masks. But either way his base is the "Storm the capital armed with no masks to yell in the face of security" people. 1 leader wearing a mask isn't doing anything for those people unless it's a white hood they can rally behind. I think there's 2 main groups. The extremeist/fringe group belonging folks we see out at these liberate protests who have been radicalized for many years, and the quiet conservative voting base that will vote republican the rest of their lives who sit at home on a saturday night and take in fox news as their only source of information. The 2nd group is more the group he can influence by standing in front of a podium and telling them this is serious. We have proof of that with the stories of people trying to get hydroxychloroquine and flooding agencies with calls about drinking disinfectants. For sure. But he's also the same guy who could stand up there in a NASA suit today for protection and call it fake news tomorrow when it's reported he did so. It's a warped reality those people are in. On the single issue of wearing masks...I don't view it as a big deal due to his position and the fact he's testing combined with our doctors logic of it only protecting others and not yourself anyway. So even though he's a moron and his voting base has the combined IQ of a turnip I have no issue whether he does or doesn't wear a mask in a mask factory. Because no matter how WE view it....his voting base it going to find a way to slant it to his benefit.
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Trump
May 7, 2020 8:50:27 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on May 7, 2020 8:50:27 GMT -4
When I was growing up most of what we call "fake news" today was govt manufactured propaganda usually in the west it was agreed upon that eastern bloc countries used propaganda to censure and control narrative in their own countries and cast doubt or suppress real truth. We also had tabloids which would today have evolved into internet click bait. But somewhere between these a whole new realm of media has developed with no legacy behind them. Complete websites devoted to stories that align with the opinions of their owners. And while that has always happened in mainstream through editorial boards it is way more pronounced in this tech savvy world. It's easier to call it out. And even if a mainstream source prints out all kinds of references supporting facts it's easy in the digital world to call all their facts biased. But Fake News as a term has devolved to a term that is too easy to fling around against anyone who presents fact or summation of opinion against another opinion. What fake news means today, how the term is used is not the same way we would have used it in the 90s. It has come into its own post Brexit used too much. I think a decade ago I would have used similar terminology to say that news source doesnt have a real story (plane crash, earthquake, shooting) to report so they fixate on the smallest thing that is not really news and make it news. I think of how wearing a hair net killed the BQ leader Gilles Duceppe poll #s as the media talked how goofy he looked. I cant believe that got 15 seconds on network news. Because it wasnt news or shouldnt have become news. It was made up news based on something that happened to make it newsworthy. I think Trump gets caught up in gaffes more than any leader because besides being a buffoon the media does have so many people watching him, more do than previous "leaders" because it's easy material. Creates a twitter war and is a good investment in material and the govt cant control thd narrative. It's a free for all. And it has become a gong show of trying to trip him up. So fake news when Trump says it now means all those in media lined against him. He is not way off base here but he feeds it. And there are media that stand with him attacking the other media. It hurts credibility of them all. Period. It's too easy to call out fake news today and label everything fake. This is sad. Fake news should be reserved for things devoid of fact of seriousness. Like in the old days. Some will blame politicians, some will blame media (and they do pick their angles) but the tabloid and news need to be distinguishable. I have a hard time trusting truth in most anything I read these days. And now media are racing to report as facts research that isnt even peer reviewed yet to quench thirst on the Covid story. Anyway sorry for the rant. But someone did write a paper on this. A thesis on fake news evolution. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://informallogic.ca/index.php/informal_logic/article/view/5068/4350&ved=2ahUKEwj_i5Px3aHpAhXyT98KHXrtCTEQFjAJegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1Z5qUh7wKZka6zIXY50b-aFake News: a definition Axelrod Gelfert Dept of philosophy, history of science technology - Tech Univ of Berlin
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May 7, 2020 9:23:23 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on May 7, 2020 9:23:23 GMT -4
When I was growing up most of what we call "fake news" today was govt manufactured propaganda usually in the west it was agreed upon that eastern bloc countries used propaganda to censure and control narrative in their own countries and cast doubt or suppress real truth. We also had tabloids which would today have evolved into internet click bait. But somewhere between these a whole new realm of media has developed with no legacy behind them. Complete websites devoted to stories that align with the opinions of their owners. And while that has always happened in mainstream through editorial boards it is way more pronounced in this tech savvy world. It's easier to call it out. And even if a mainstream source prints out all kinds of references supporting facts it's easy in the digital world to call all their facts biased. But Fake News as a term has devolved to a term that is too easy to fling around against anyone who presents fact or summation of opinion against another opinion. What fake news means today, how the term is used is not the same way we would have used it in the 90s. It has come into its own post Brexit used too much. I think a decade ago I would have used similar terminology to say that news source doesnt have a real story (plane crash, earthquake, shooting) to report so they fixate on the smallest thing that is not really news and make it news. I think of how wearing a hair net killed the BQ leader Gilles Duceppe poll #s as the media talked how goofy he looked. I cant believe that got 15 seconds on network news. Because it wasnt news or shouldnt have become news. It was made up news based on something that happened to make it newsworthy. I think Trump gets caught up in gaffes more than any leader because besides being a buffoon the media does have so many people watching him, more do than previous "leaders" because it's easy material. Creates a twitter war and is a good investment in material and the govt cant control thd narrative. It's a free for all. And it has become a gong show of trying to trip him up. So fake news when Trump says it now means all those in media lined against him. He is not way off base here but he feeds it. And there are media that stand with him attacking the other media. It hurts credibility of them all. Period. It's too easy to call out fake news today and label everything fake. This is sad. Fake news should be reserved for things devoid of fact of seriousness. Like in the old days. Some will blame politicians, some will blame media (and they do pick their angles) but the tabloid and news need to be distinguishable. I have a hard time trusting truth in most anything I read these days. And now media are racing to report as facts research that isnt even peer reviewed yet to quench thirst on the Covid story. Anyway sorry for the rant. But someone did write a paper on this. A thesis on fake news evolution. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://informallogic.ca/index.php/informal_logic/article/view/5068/4350&ved=2ahUKEwj_i5Px3aHpAhXyT98KHXrtCTEQFjAJegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1Z5qUh7wKZka6zIXY50b-aFake News: a definition Axelrod Gelfert Dept of philosophy, history of science technology - Tech Univ of Berlin The MSM also allows his "fake news" cries to have allowed him to build a base from it so that the same MSM now refuses to challenge him on his lies and made up reality out of some kind of fear that I just dont get. His ABC interview earlier this week was basically propaganda. No challenging him on the lies or using his own words against him like they would any other leader. But the problem now is everything is a news item because everything is partisan politics. Have 15 women saying you harrassed/abused them and paid them off? Just say they liked it and that every women loves you grabbing them and suddenly to a large % of people you're just a guy who is being attacked by the left. The American media had a chance 2-3 years ago to take this head on and completely change the game. They decided to keep playing partisan politics. They're as much to blame for the chaos at this point. It's not nearly as hard to listen to people and use their words against them they it's doing things like calling pandemics hoaxes, things invented by your opposition to drag you down, and praise the country it originated in as being nothing but honest. But when you give them the outlet to then say you did nothing but worked to kill the momentum of the disease, implemented travel bans, offered nothing but support to states, and say China has done nothing but lie you're doing nobody any service. You're just participating in the absolute chaos he and people like Bannon and Miller want in the news cycle in order to just confuse the masses while pandering to literally the worlds most awful heartless and disgusting people.
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Trump
May 7, 2020 14:43:41 GMT -4
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Post by drunkbretthull on May 7, 2020 14:43:41 GMT -4
DOJ has dropped its case against Michael Flynn.
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May 7, 2020 15:08:44 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on May 7, 2020 15:08:44 GMT -4
DOJ has dropped its case against Michael Flynn. Corruption is rewarded. Trump sent his hechman barr on special assignment.
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Trump
May 7, 2020 15:15:00 GMT -4
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Post by drunkbretthull on May 7, 2020 15:15:00 GMT -4
DOJ has dropped its case against Michael Flynn. Corruption is rewarded. Trump sent his hechman barr on special assignment. An innocent man finally has life back after 3 years ... have you read the FBI notes that were finally made public last week. I hope Flynn sues the FBI officials responsible for this. To have a problem with justice finally being set right shows you have an irrational bias IMO.
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May 7, 2020 15:27:41 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on May 7, 2020 15:27:41 GMT -4
Corruption is rewarded. Trump sent his hechman barr on special assignment. An innocent man finally has life back after 3 years ... have you read the FBI notes that were finally made public last week. I hope Flynn sues the FBI officials responsible for this. To have a problem with justice finally being set right shows you have an irrational bias IMO. LMAO An innconent man? He was acting as a foreign agent while taking a job in the White House, then lied about it to the VP and FBI, what part of that makes him an innocent man. You need to stop watching Faux News and Trump. remember Trump fired him.
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May 7, 2020 19:19:26 GMT -4
Post by drunkbretthull on May 7, 2020 19:19:26 GMT -4
Took an awful long time for this to be finally released, pretty convenient for the 2018 midterm election.
“I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting [or] conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election,” Clapper said.
“That’s not to say that there weren’t concerns about the evidence we were seeing, anecdotal evidence…[redacted],” Clapper added. “But I do not recall any instance when I had direct evidence of the content of these meetings. It’s just the frequency and prevalence of them was of concern.”
Rooney then asked Clapper, “At what time is collusion collusion, and at what time is it just people that may have an affiliation with the campaign meeting on talking with… the Russian ambassador or somebody that’s of Russian origin, and when should that be taken as something that rises to the leve1 of an Intelligence Community concern?”
“I really can’t answer it other than the sort of visceral reaction to why all these meetings with the Russians,” Clapper responded. Clapper admitted that it would be “legitimate” for incoming Trump administration officials to meet with representatives of Russia, “but I think there is a line…between that and violating the principle that in this country we traditionally have one President and one administration at a time.”
Oh here is a shocker:
However, after 43 transcripts had been reviewed and redacted by intelligence agencies as of June 2019, Schiff refused to relase the completed transcripts to the public. Current acting DNI head Richard Grenell informed Schiff on Wednesday that all the transcripts were ready for publication.
Schiff is a weasel who should be brought down ASAP.
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Trump
May 7, 2020 19:40:27 GMT -4
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Post by Naomi on May 7, 2020 19:40:27 GMT -4
Took an awful long time for this to be finally released, pretty convenient for the 2018 midterm election.
“I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting [or] conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election,” Clapper said.
“That’s not to say that there weren’t concerns about the evidence we were seeing, anecdotal evidence…[redacted],” Clapper added. “But I do not recall any instance when I had direct evidence of the content of these meetings. It’s just the frequency and prevalence of them was of concern.”
Rooney then asked Clapper, “At what time is collusion collusion, and at what time is it just people that may have an affiliation with the campaign meeting on talking with… the Russian ambassador or somebody that’s of Russian origin, and when should that be taken as something that rises to the leve1 of an Intelligence Community concern?”
“I really can’t answer it other than the sort of visceral reaction to why all these meetings with the Russians,” Clapper responded. Clapper admitted that it would be “legitimate” for incoming Trump administration officials to meet with representatives of Russia, “but I think there is a line…between that and violating the principle that in this country we traditionally have one President and one administration at a time.”
Oh here is a shocker:
However, after 43 transcripts had been reviewed and redacted by intelligence agencies as of June 2019, Schiff refused to relase the completed transcripts to the public. Current acting DNI head Richard Grenell informed Schiff on Wednesday that all the transcripts were ready for publication.
Schiff is a weasel who should be brought down ASAP.
Do you have any other sources beyond far right media outlets?
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