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[Captain Obvious]

Jun 15, 2017 8:29:50 GMT -4 moosefan1994 said:

So I guess shows like Quantico and Designated Survivor were wrong... if it is a white guy shooting up politicians it isn't always the Alt-right... in this case it was a white left wing nutjob who was a Bernie Sanders supporter. 

Doesn't matter who the shooter supports or follows, the US is a hundred years behind in their gun control laws in large part because the GOP is in bed with the NRA.

Nobody has ever suggested all the nutjobs are alt right.

[jimmy]

Jun 15, 2017 8:35:34 GMT -4 Captain Obvious said:

Jun 15, 2017 8:29:50 GMT -4 moosefan1994 said:

So I guess shows like Quantico and Designated Survivor were wrong... if it is a white guy shooting up politicians it isn't always the Alt-right... in this case it was a white left wing nutjob who was a Bernie Sanders supporter. 

Doesn't matter who the shooter supports or follows, the US is a hundred years behind in their gun control laws in large part because the GOP is in bed with the NRA.

Nobody has ever suggested all the nutjobs are alt right.

Every country has nutjobs, and for the most part they come from all political stripes - in many cases, nutjobs are just that, and don't even have strong political beliefs. That said, it seems to all but the American right wing to be a no-brainer that controlling access to guns so as to minimize (you will never completely eliminate) the number of nutjobs who are armed is a good idea ...

[Jack Bauer]

Jun 15, 2017 8:29:50 GMT -4 moosefan1994 said:

So I guess shows like Quantico and Designated Survivor were wrong... if it is a white guy shooting up politicians it isn't always the Alt-right... in this case it was a white left wing nutjob who was a Bernie Sanders supporter. 

Right.....because anyone can go crazy and become mentally unstable and do bad things.

It's not just Islamist extremists pissed at history and/or Americans role in the world.

So why is there no talk today about mental health initiatives, gun control, or other measures that may have helped prevent the tragedy?

If it was a lone ISIS supporter who did that there'd be absolute chaos in the USA right now.

Domestic terrorism is accepted as normal in the USA.

[Jack Bauer]

Jun 15, 2017 8:43:38 GMT -4 jimmy said:

Jun 15, 2017 8:35:34 GMT -4 Captain Obvious said:

Doesn't matter who the shooter supports or follows, the US is a hundred years behind in their gun control laws in large part because the GOP is in bed with the NRA.

Nobody has ever suggested all the nutjobs are alt right.

Every country has nutjobs, and for the most part they come from all political stripes - in many cases, nutjobs are just that, and don't even have strong political beliefs. That said, it seems to all but the American right wing to be a no-brainer that controlling access to guns so as to minimize (you will never completely eliminate) the number of nutjobs who are armed is a good idea ...

Insert (CNN, snowflakes, libtard, bernier, hillary, ISIS, Islam, Muslims, old man shaking fist meme) comments from the right wing supporters as a comeback here.

[jimmy]

Jun 15, 2017 9:06:08 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

Jun 15, 2017 8:43:38 GMT -4 jimmy said:

Every country has nutjobs, and for the most part they come from all political stripes - in many cases, nutjobs are just that, and don't even have strong political beliefs. That said, it seems to all but the American right wing to be a no-brainer that controlling access to guns so as to minimize (you will never completely eliminate) the number of nutjobs who are armed is a good idea ...

Insert (CNN, snowflakes, libtard, bernier, hillary, ISIS, Islam, Muslims, old man shaking fist meme) comments from the right wing supporters as a comeback here.

The politics of gun control in the US is insane ... they really need to step back from the rhetoric and come to basic common ground. Ask the question - "Would we be safer if fewer criminals had guns? Would we be safer if fewer crazy people had guns?" ... these are questions even the most fervent gun supporters would answer yes to ... so once everyone agrees on that - go forward with some reasonable steps to work towards those goals (which is where it goes off the rails as it seems any proposal is deemed unreasonable by someone ...)

[Captain Obvious]

Jun 15, 2017 9:15:09 GMT -4 jimmy said:

Jun 15, 2017 9:06:08 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

Insert (CNN, snowflakes, libtard, bernier, hillary, ISIS, Islam, Muslims, old man shaking fist meme) comments from the right wing supporters as a comeback here.

The politics of gun control in the US is insane ... they really need to step back from the rhetoric and come to basic common ground. Ask the question - "Would we be safer if fewer criminals had guns? Would we be safer if fewer crazy people had guns?" ... these are questions even the most fervent gun supporters would answer yes to ... so once everyone agrees on that - go forward with some reasonable steps to work towards those goals (which is where it goes off the rails as it seems any proposal is deemed unreasonable by someone ...)

It all goes back to money, NRA is a huge lobby group and fundraiser for the GOP, until they are ready to turn their backs on that, little will change.

[Captain Obvious]

Interesting how Trump is losing support/faith from GOP voters...

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[moosefan1994]

If it wasn't for the fact that because the 3rd highest ranking GOP member was there that would have been a massacre there yesterday. He had security detail from the Capitol Police and because they were allowed to have guns the shooter, as of right now, is the only fatality. 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

Jun 15, 2017 9:32:47 GMT -4 moosefan1994 said:

If it wasn't for the fact that because the 3rd highest ranking GOP member was there that would have been a massacre there yesterday. He had security detail from the Capitol Police and because they were allowed to have guns the shooter, as of right now, is the only fatality. 

Yup - people trained to fire a weapon, under intense situations. Bob and Joe escalating a road rage incident 2 streets over, where it comes to random panicked crossfire at each other, is not a safe life for anybody on a daily basis.

[moosefan1994]

Jun 15, 2017 9:35:49 GMT -4 CrazyJoeDavola said:

Jun 15, 2017 9:32:47 GMT -4 moosefan1994 said:

If it wasn't for the fact that because the 3rd highest ranking GOP member was there that would have been a massacre there yesterday. He had security detail from the Capitol Police and because they were allowed to have guns the shooter, as of right now, is the only fatality. 

Yup - people trained to fire a weapon, under intense situations. Bob and Joe escalating a road rage incident 2 streets over, where it comes to random panicked crossfire at each other, is not a safe life for anybody on a daily basis.

There were GOP members there who had carry and conceal permits but the locality where they were forbids it so they couldn't protect themselves and were sitting ducks as a result. 

I agree, there must be more done in the states as far as gun control but people down there have to be able to defend themselves. Look at Chicago, amongst the toughest gun control laws in the U.S., so the criminals have all the guns and law abiding citizens get shot there on an almost daily basis because of gunfights between the different gangs. 

[Jack Bauer]

Jun 15, 2017 9:57:11 GMT -4 moosefan1994 said:

I agree, there must be more done in the states as far as gun control but people down there have to be able to defend themselves.

And that's America, ladies and gentleman.

"Yes we need better gun laws. But."

But. Columbine.

But. Sandy Hook.

But. Virginia Tech.

Every day someone uses the but in the gun control argument it's another kid, another school, another life lost because of senselessness from grown adults more concerned with using guns to defend themselves then they are in keeping them out of the hands of murderers and mentally unstable people who all have much too easy of a time purchasing firearms.

The longer nothing changes the more American continues their social decline.

The illogical fear over firearm control is laughably outdated and down right pathetic.

[moosefan1994]

Jun 15, 2017 10:04:16 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

Jun 15, 2017 9:57:11 GMT -4 moosefan1994 said:

I agree, there must be more done in the states as far as gun control but people down there have to be able to defend themselves.

And that's America, ladies and gentleman.

"Yes we need better gun laws. But."

But. Columbine.

But. Sandy Hook.

But. Virginia Tech.

Every day someone uses the but in the gun control argument it's another kid, another school, another life lost because of senselessness from grown adults more concerned with using guns to defend themselves then they are in keeping them out of the hands of murderers and mentally unstable people who all have much too easy of a time purchasing firearms.

The longer nothing changes the more American continues their social decline.

The illogical fear over firearm control is laughably outdated and down right pathetic.

Gun control as you see it or as I perceive your philosophy on it ends with just criminals having guns and law abiding citizens ending up being sitting ducks. 

Case in point- Person B wants to home invade Person A - in your version of gun control they will do it because they know Person A has no gun and is at a distinct disadvantage while if there is doubt as to whether person A has a gun they will think twice. 

BTW- those three incidents, all on soft targets- Virginia Tech had a strict anti-gun bylaw so that loser knew he could kill as many students/faculty as possible before being killed himself. 

[Jack Bauer]

Jun 15, 2017 10:13:29 GMT -4 moosefan1994 said:

Jun 15, 2017 10:04:16 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

And that's America, ladies and gentleman.

"Yes we need better gun laws. But."

But. Columbine.

But. Sandy Hook.

But. Virginia Tech.

Every day someone uses the but in the gun control argument it's another kid, another school, another life lost because of senselessness from grown adults more concerned with using guns to defend themselves then they are in keeping them out of the hands of murderers and mentally unstable people who all have much too easy of a time purchasing firearms.

The longer nothing changes the more American continues their social decline.

The illogical fear over firearm control is laughably outdated and down right pathetic.

Gun control as you see it or as I perceive your philosophy on it ends with just criminals having guns and law abiding citizens ending up being sitting ducks. 

Case in point- Person B wants to home invade Person A - in your version of gun control they will do it because they know Person A has no gun and is at a distinct disadvantage while if there is doubt as to whether person A has a gun they will think twice. 

BTW- those three incidents, all on soft targets- Virginia Tech had a strict anti-gun bylaw so that loser knew he could kill as many students/faculty as possible before being killed himself. 

Tell yourself whatever fairy tale makes you sleep better at night.

Where are all these Canadian home invasions with armed criminals?

Using your own logic we should be one of the more dangerous countries on earth as we have some regulations in place to make sure mentally unstable people are not in control of firearms.

You really live in a fairy tale world if you think gun control leaves only criminals with guns as it completely ignores the ridiculous laws in place in the USA re: firearms which breeds the environment allowing the criminals to have access to so many firearms.

We have criminals in Canada too but we see, percentage wise, almost none of the stuff that happens down south. We see random 1 offs that fall through the cracks but we don't justify the crack as a reason to toss the system out and allow a literal free for all.

[CrazyJoeDavola]

Jun 15, 2017 10:13:29 GMT -4 moosefan1994 said:

Jun 15, 2017 10:04:16 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

And that's America, ladies and gentleman.

"Yes we need better gun laws. But."

But. Columbine.

But. Sandy Hook.

But. Virginia Tech.

Every day someone uses the but in the gun control argument it's another kid, another school, another life lost because of senselessness from grown adults more concerned with using guns to defend themselves then they are in keeping them out of the hands of murderers and mentally unstable people who all have much too easy of a time purchasing firearms.

The longer nothing changes the more American continues their social decline.

The illogical fear over firearm control is laughably outdated and down right pathetic.

Gun control as you see it or as I perceive your philosophy on it ends with just criminals having guns and law abiding citizens ending up being sitting ducks. 

Case in point- Person B wants to home invade Person A - in your version of gun control they will do it because they know Person A has no gun and is at a distinct disadvantage while if there is doubt as to whether person A has a gun they will think twice. 

BTW- those three incidents, all on soft targets- Virginia Tech had a strict anti-gun bylaw so that loser knew he could kill as many students/faculty as possible before being killed himself. 

People have security, dogs, other weapons. Criminal are not avoiding B&E out of fear that a home owner has a gun. Plus, once guns start getting pulled off the street, they will become much too expensive for the common criminal who want's to steal a DVD player from a house.

But the big picture here is that for every home invader that is deterred/stopped because of an alert homeowner with a gun, you will have 1000+ innocent people/minor disputes end in death if everyone is walking around with a pistol or AR. I prefer a society where you can feel pretty safe that the people around you at a movie or a hockey game or a bar aren't sitting on a loaded weapon. Who would go out?

[moosefan1994]

Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable with a gun in my place and I am the only human in my place. It would take a lot to get me to even consider overcoming that discomfort with guns to actually buying one for protection. 

That said I can see why Americans want a gun in their home ... it's not for me but I don't want to be a condescending prick and criticize people for wanting to protect themselves by having a gun in the house.