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Nov 1, 2017 10:04:39 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 1, 2017 10:04:39 GMT -4
I will say this, the best thing Trump has accomplished so far is that the Left has been exposed for the hateful bunch of kunts they truly are. By the way - explain this? "The left" hate assholes and bigots and racists. They generally fight for human and civil right protections. They fight for the less fortunate, and health care. They take issue with the NRA trying to sell weapons and stoke a civil war. How are they hateful "kunts"? What do they hate? Also, have you visited that Halifax mosque to ask them why they are all training to be terrorists? I bet you would be surprised by what you find. And this is where the conversation is realized as not a conversation but 2 ideologies clashing. You will never get an acknowledgement out of "the right" that things like fighting against poverty and health care are good things. They live by this mindset that it's sick peoples fault for being sick. Poor peoples fault for being poor. And any social spending done to improve other goes against capitalism and their right to keep minorities down who historically are poor and in worse health then who they view as their own...upper class white people. Your NRA, health care, and Mosque questions will never get direct answers as they would simply bring out the hate that drives that right wing ideology in the first place. It's a sad state when this is the political reality of an entire nation. All we can do is hope it doesn't infect our own people and system. Luckily we seem to be going in the opposite direction. |
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Nov 1, 2017 10:17:35 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Nov 1, 2017 10:17:35 GMT -4
I will say this, the best thing Trump has accomplished so far is that the Left has been exposed for the hateful bunch of kunts they truly are. By the way - explain this? "The left" hate assholes and bigots and racists. They generally fight for human and civil right protections. They fight for the less fortunate, and health care. They take issue with the NRA trying to sell weapons and stoke a civil war. How are they hateful "kunts"? What do they hate? Also, have you visited that Halifax mosque to ask them why they are all training to be terrorists? I bet you would be surprised by what you find. When the Las Vegas shootings happened there were a bunch of tweets from left wingers cheering the deaths of people who were Republicans most likely because they were country music fans. I can take the time to look that up if you want... Look at the hatred for police, military the last couple years .... I have fiscal conservative views, I consider myself socially moderate and would be lumped in with the basket of deplorables by the Clinton campaign for it and be considered by Antifa a fascist and it would be okay for them to beat me in the street for having views which weren't enough to the left. The hard left support politicians who are devotees of mass murderers like Mao, Che Guevera and Castro who ignore the killing and suffering these "socialists" brought. And these people think that Trump is evil incarnate! Please fuck off! |
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Trump
Nov 1, 2017 10:21:17 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Nov 1, 2017 10:21:17 GMT -4
The terrorist, in this case, came in as part of the diversity visa which is basically a lottery system. Trump listed this system as one of the items he wants, or in this case that he wants to get rid off, in his immigration policy. There was no vetting done with this system and it isn't based upon legitimate goals such as what skills the people winning these diversity visas were/are bringing. The problem is that when senators and representatives have brought this up they are accused of being racist. Islam is still stuck in the 7th century - it treats women as 2nd class citizens, no it treats them worse than that. It needs a reformation which is what happened to Christianity hundreds of years ago, it needs to modernize, to reform. I laugh at the description of "religion of peace" because it has never been a religion of peace from its very start - wherever it spread after it started was not because of acceptance it was done through war, slavery and suppression. 100 years after it started in the Arabian Peninsula there were wars being fought against the spread of it in what is now Spain and if not for the Greeks it would have spread into Eastern Europe very quickly. I'm not a religious person by any stretch - last time I attended a church service was because my dear grandmother (RIP) made me go as a child. I don't see myself as athiest either. I see Islam as a disease, a primitive belief system that should not be allowed in North America, anyone who truly believes in its teachings are not compatible with living here. I see you using the tried and untrue talking points the Left uses all the time - "whites are creating more terrorists." Please, these people are tribal and easily brainwashed - they were terrorizing outside of the Middle East well before Christopher Columbus discovered North America so to say Western civilization is at fault for Islamic terrorism is a joke. Trump is trying to do what should have been done - proper vetting of people from countries with sizeable Muslim population and a ban on refugees from countries which are failed states and have been compromised as far as being able to determine that a person wanting to come is who they say they are. That is not racist, that is just fucking common sense. Islam no doubt has it's issues, generally speaking, but so does Christianity. I'm not going to get in a big religious debate because I'm not very religious. The catholic church has done more harm to people by enabling child predators than all muslim extremists as terrorism vs the west. Every religion has it's challenges and vilifying one versus another is morally corrupt. The same as me saying all white folks are demonstrating with Nazi or confederate flags or all blacks are gangsters. You spend too much time watching/listening to right wing extremists on Breitbart/Fox News/Limbaugh or whoever else is out there. any views to an extreme is unhealthy, that applies to left wing extremists also. Proper vetting started 16 years ago, suggesting otherwise is spreading BS propaganda. For the record, most 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, Trump ironically enough did not have that country in any travel ban...wonder if his properties had something to do with it? The ONLY thing Trump is trying to do is fuel his A-ego B-pocket book or C-revenge on somebody he thinks wronged him, that's as far as his goals go. Anything he stands for all ties back to those three things. If this week's arrests/conviction further prove anything it's how horribly unqualified Trump is for the job he has...he keeps proving that daily. That above all political ideology is the big concern. The reason why Saudi Arabia or Pakistan for that matter weren't on the list is because they aren't failed states like 5 out of the original 6, except Iran, are. |
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Nov 1, 2017 10:52:31 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 1, 2017 10:52:31 GMT -4
By the way - explain this? "The left" hate assholes and bigots and racists. They generally fight for human and civil right protections. They fight for the less fortunate, and health care. They take issue with the NRA trying to sell weapons and stoke a civil war. How are they hateful "kunts"? What do they hate? Also, have you visited that Halifax mosque to ask them why they are all training to be terrorists? I bet you would be surprised by what you find. When the Las Vegas shootings happened there were a bunch of tweets from left wingers cheering the deaths of people who were Republicans most likely because they were country music fans. I can take the time to look that up if you want... Look at the hatred for police, military the last couple years .... I have fiscal conservative views, I consider myself socially moderate and would be lumped in with the basket of deplorables by the Clinton campaign for it and be considered by Antifa a fascist and it would be okay for them to beat me in the street for having views which weren't enough to the left. The hard left support politicians who are devotees of mass murderers like Mao, Che Guevera and Castro who ignore the killing and suffering these "socialists" brought. And these people think that Trump is evil incarnate! Please fuck off! Why do you keep grasping for extreme examples? Something happens and you reach for the bottom of the barrel "bunch of tweets from left wingers cheering the deaths of people who were Republicans most likely because they were country music fans". I spend a lot of time on Twitter, too much actually...and I have yet to see a tweet(controversial tweets get retweeted like 100k times) "cheering" for the shootings. Once again this sounds like something from a conspiracy website, not reality. Most people don't hate police, just about everybody supports the military. Some people are protesting police shootings, doesn't make them "haters" of police, they are seeking justice. If a police officer unfairly arrests you and you sue him or taking him to a human rights tribunal for being falsely arrested, are you a "police hater"? ...or just looking for justice/fairness? The "basket of deplorables" are folks you can easily find with KKK and confederate flags...if that is you, then, sure, you would probably included with that if you lived in the USA... I don't think hard left is any better than the hard right...I don't agree with sanders political views, not all of them for sure, but as a person he is not the POS that Trump is. If Marchand is the "little ball of hate", then Trump is the "big blob of hate". |
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Nov 1, 2017 10:54:34 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 1, 2017 10:54:34 GMT -4
Islam no doubt has it's issues, generally speaking, but so does Christianity. I'm not going to get in a big religious debate because I'm not very religious. The catholic church has done more harm to people by enabling child predators than all muslim extremists as terrorism vs the west. Every religion has it's challenges and vilifying one versus another is morally corrupt. The same as me saying all white folks are demonstrating with Nazi or confederate flags or all blacks are gangsters. You spend too much time watching/listening to right wing extremists on Breitbart/Fox News/Limbaugh or whoever else is out there. any views to an extreme is unhealthy, that applies to left wing extremists also. Proper vetting started 16 years ago, suggesting otherwise is spreading BS propaganda. For the record, most 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, Trump ironically enough did not have that country in any travel ban...wonder if his properties had something to do with it? The ONLY thing Trump is trying to do is fuel his A-ego B-pocket book or C-revenge on somebody he thinks wronged him, that's as far as his goals go. Anything he stands for all ties back to those three things. If this week's arrests/conviction further prove anything it's how horribly unqualified Trump is for the job he has...he keeps proving that daily. That above all political ideology is the big concern. The reason why Saudi Arabia or Pakistan for that matter weren't on the list is because they aren't failed states like 5 out of the original 6, except Iran, are. Saudi Arabia isn't a failed state yet the 9-11 terrorists came from there...what does that tell you about your theory? Pakistan is in worse shape than most countries on the no fly list...there are regions that are like the wild West and Bin Laden was living there for years before Obama went and killed him! |
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Trump
Nov 1, 2017 12:58:33 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Nov 1, 2017 12:58:33 GMT -4
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Nov 1, 2017 13:53:48 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Nov 1, 2017 13:53:48 GMT -4
The reason why Saudi Arabia or Pakistan for that matter weren't on the list is because they aren't failed states like 5 out of the original 6, except Iran, are. Saudi Arabia isn't a failed state yet the 9-11 terrorists came from there...what does that tell you about your theory? Pakistan is in worse shape than most countries on the no fly list...there are regions that are like the wild West and Bin Laden was living there for years before Obama went and killed him! Ummm no, this is who killed Osama Bin Laden.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._O%27Neill_(U.S._Navy_SEAL) |
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Trump
Nov 1, 2017 15:26:34 GMT -4
Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 1, 2017 15:26:34 GMT -4
Saudi Arabia isn't a failed state yet the 9-11 terrorists came from there...what does that tell you about your theory? Pakistan is in worse shape than most countries on the no fly list...there are regions that are like the wild West and Bin Laden was living there for years before Obama went and killed him! Ummm no, this is who killed Osama Bin Laden.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._O%27Neill_(U.S._Navy_SEAL)Can you please explain why the left are a bunch of hateful kunts? Hateful of things that shouldn't be hated. Like, hating Donald Trump is justified. Hating a Senator who says being gay should be illegal is justified. To equate the amount of bigotry/racism/hate between the left and right is laughable, and you know that. I hope you do. |
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Trump
Nov 1, 2017 15:36:04 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 1, 2017 15:36:04 GMT -4
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Nov 2, 2017 6:51:30 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Nov 2, 2017 6:51:30 GMT -4
Billy, my contempt for the left started long before I opened up my Facebook account in 2007. When you constantly see the left supporting the Palestinians attacking Israel, when you see a Liberal scumbag like Warren Kinsella making fun of Stockwell Day on live TV for his religious beliefs that is what really turned me against the left. Winston Churchill has been said to have said this, "If a man is not socialist at 25, he has no heart, if he isn't conservative by 35 he has no brain." I was actually left wing when I started university, by the time I finished and has started my first job I was conservative - I realized that as a white, English, straight, male who valued hard work that all the left liked about me was getting their hands into my pocketbook and that I was fair game to be discriminated against. Crazy Joe Devola, here is an example of the extreme hatred of the left towards conservatives : This is a perfect example of why I can't stand the left, all they do now is engage is race-baiting, identity based politics and this happens in Canada too by both the NDP and the Liberals. The Liberals are attacking free speech and trying to make it illegal to even question Islam and you know the first time Jagmeet Singh is questioned on whatever policies he espouses it will be because of his color. |
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Nov 2, 2017 7:06:25 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 2, 2017 7:06:25 GMT -4
Billy, my contempt for the left started long before I opened up my Facebook account in 2007. When you constantly see the left supporting the Palestinians attacking Israel, when you see a Liberal scumbag like Warren Kinsella making fun of Stockwell Day on live TV for his religious beliefs that is what really turned me against the left. Winston Churchill has been said to have said this, "If a man is not socialist at 25, he has no heart, if he isn't conservative by 35 he has no brain." I was actually left wing when I started university, by the time I finished and has started my first job I was conservative - I realized that as a white, English, straight, male who valued hard work that all the left liked about me was getting their hands into my pocketbook and that I was fair game to be discriminated against. Crazy Joe Devola, here is an example of the extreme hatred of the left towards conservatives : This is a perfect example of why I can't stand the left, all they do now is engage is race-baiting, identity based politics and this happens in Canada too by both the NDP and the Liberals. The Liberals are attacking free speech and trying to make it illegal to even question Islam and you know the first time Jagmeet Singh is questioned on whatever policies he espouses it will be because of his color. As I said before, you take an extreme example and make it represent everybody who is "left". It's like me saying I will never set foot in the Halifax area as everybody there is a gun toting thug! Just because there is an area in GHA that has gangs and thugs, you can't paint the whole community with the same brush. Another example: I go to PEI to watch a game and some drunk spills a drink on my wife and then wants to fight me about it...does that mean all PEI fans are douche bags and nobody should ever go there for a road game? 99% of the people in attendance can be super friendly and welcoming, but 1% is not... It's like me saying all US conservatives are Nazi's and confederates. they are part of the conservative base and have supported Trump, but they don't represent the whole base. Not sure I can paint a more simple picture. Another thing to add, a lot of the extreme ads we saw on Facebook and Twitter were Russian based to rile up the racism and try to tear apart the US on behalf of Putin. |
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Nov 2, 2017 18:13:59 GMT -4
Post by MikeC on Nov 2, 2017 18:13:59 GMT -4
This is a perfect example of why I can't stand the left, all they do now is engage is race-baiting, identity based politics and this happens in Canada too by both the NDP and the Liberals. The Liberals are attacking free speech and trying to make it illegal to even question Islam and you know the first time Jagmeet Singh is questioned on whatever policies he espouses it will be because of his color. For the most part, everyone you have debated with in this thread is on the left side of center. Has anyone in this thread done any of those things? Now that said, this is not a very flattering look inside the DNC. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774 |
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Nov 2, 2017 19:59:43 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Nov 2, 2017 19:59:43 GMT -4
This is a perfect example of why I can't stand the left, all they do now is engage is race-baiting, identity based politics and this happens in Canada too by both the NDP and the Liberals. The Liberals are attacking free speech and trying to make it illegal to even question Islam and you know the first time Jagmeet Singh is questioned on whatever policies he espouses it will be because of his color. For the most part, everyone you have debated with in this thread is on the left side of center. Has anyone in this thread done any of those things? Now that said, this is not a very flattering look inside the DNC. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774Gman, months ago in this thread  , insinuated I was racist for saying illegal immigrants should be deported back to Mexico and central America and for stance on Muslim immigration. I have said that when it comes to Muslims that it's not their skin color, it is their religion which is still based in the 7th century, it is their incompatibility with living in a modern Western world. I have freinds, yeah I know the old go to of the bigot right??, who are from Lebanon, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, India etc .... the reason I am freinds with them is because they are either non-religious, like myself, or are Christian in the case of my Lebanese freinds. If I was truly against anyone who is dark skinned I would have contempt for Sikhs, Hindus etc most of whom are darker than Muslims. You highlighted my sentence that Liberals are attacking free speech and trying to make it illegal to even question Islam- I am referring to the Islamophobia motion brought in by the federal government ie Liberals. Just google free speech and universities and you will see that free speech is being attacked all over North America. The Donna Brazile story/book - not at all surprised, Bernie Sanders didn't stand a chance. |
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Nov 2, 2017 22:29:52 GMT -4
Post by MikeC on Nov 2, 2017 22:29:52 GMT -4
. I have freinds, yeah I know the old go to of the bigot right??, who are from Lebanon, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, India etc .... the reason I am freinds with them is because they are either non-religious, like myself, or are Christian in the case of my Lebanese freinds. I hope your friends are not Catholics, who don't allow women to become priests or believe in artificial contraception. That doesn't seem to fit very well into a modern western world either. |
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Nov 3, 2017 7:29:25 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2017 7:29:25 GMT -4
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, insinuated I was racist for saying illegal immigrants should be deported back to Mexico and central America and for stance on Muslim immigration. I have said that when it comes to Muslims that it's not their skin color, it is their religion which is still based in the 7th century, it is their incompatibility with living in a modern Western world. I have freinds, yeah I know the old go to of the bigot right??, who are from Lebanon, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, India etc .... the reason I am freinds with them is because they are either non-religious, like myself, or are Christian in the case of my Lebanese freinds. If I was truly against anyone who is dark skinned I would have contempt for Sikhs, Hindus etc most of whom are darker than Muslims.