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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 11:12:44 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 27, 2018 11:12:44 GMT -4
Not sure how getting a couple extra hundred dollars a year on somebody's pay keeps them "busy". Once again, you miss the substance and take a propaganda approach. Whatever savings people see on their taxes, it costs them a lot more for healthcare which will more than offset any savings. Meanwhile, a bunch of corporations are saving billions by buying back their own stock, which benefits millionaire and billionaires, not the dumb Trump voters with the red Chinese made hats in Arkansas or Mississippi. He is a con artist and snake oil salesman, the same guy he has been all his life...born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple... I've posted this before in response to your bullshit but there have been recent additions so: www.atr.org/listYou can call it propaganda but this is FACT; just like when I posted the MS-13 story from the Washington Post, you say it was racist, sorry Billy, it was the truth, it is fact but when you confront a liberal with irrefutable fact they label it as racist or propaganda or sexist or whatever code word applies. Obamacare has already increased health care premiums significantly across the U.S. , that is not on Trump. First, I'm not a "Liberal". Even if I was, you are using it the same way as the Fake news network does. Second, most of those are a drop in the bucket, a company gets back 10 billion in tax savings and gives employees a few crumbs. There is nothing to say that those bonuses were not happening anyways. Every Tax expert not on Trump's payroll including conservative ones have said that this will not help the low and middle class, it will help Trump, his friends and his donors.
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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 11:20:13 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Mar 27, 2018 11:20:13 GMT -4
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAON(Tulsa) – this heating and cooling firm gave $1,000 bonus checks to 2,000 employees: - this is copied and pasted from the link I posted and Billy didn't bother to read:
AAON , from their Wikipedia page, As of June 2016, AAON employed 1,300 people at its headquarters in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It also employed approximately 300 people in Longview, Texas, with around $358 million in annual sales.
I know this is only one company but I have the time to go thru the list and to prove you are , as usual, completely full of shit.
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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 12:20:54 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 27, 2018 12:20:54 GMT -4
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAON(Tulsa) – this heating and cooling firm gave $1,000 bonus checks to 2,000 employees: - this is copied and pasted from the link I posted and Billy didn't bother to read:
AAON , from their Wikipedia page, As of June 2016, AAON employed 1,300 people at its headquarters in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It also employed approximately 300 people in Longview, Texas, with around $358 million in annual sales.
I know this is only one company but I have the time to go thru the list and to prove you are , as usual, completely full of shit. How much did the owners/stock holders make from the tax cuts?
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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 12:56:15 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Mar 27, 2018 12:56:15 GMT -4
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAON(Tulsa) – this heating and cooling firm gave $1,000 bonus checks to 2,000 employees: - this is copied and pasted from the link I posted and Billy didn't bother to read:
AAON , from their Wikipedia page, As of June 2016, AAON employed 1,300 people at its headquarters in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It also employed approximately 300 people in Longview, Texas, with around $358 million in annual sales.
I know this is only one company but I have the time to go thru the list and to prove you are , as usual, completely full of shit. How much did the owners/stock holders make from the tax cuts? You are saying it is only billionaires making out like bandits after these tax cuts - I showed you here a company making 358$ M in sales, not profit, to illustrate how wrong that statement is. Big companies are benefiting from the tax cut but they are bringing $$ back into the U.S. and investing it because that $$ has been parked offshore for decades due to the U.S. tax rates not being competitive- even under the Bush tax cuts the rates were still too high compared to elsewhere. There are a lot of medium sized firms , like AAON above, and more importantly smaller and family owned firms who are benefiting as well. And why is it wrong for a business of any size to keep more of the $$ it earned?
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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 14:12:55 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 27, 2018 14:12:55 GMT -4
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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 14:20:02 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 27, 2018 14:20:02 GMT -4
How much did the owners/stock holders make from the tax cuts? You are saying it is only billionaires making out like bandits after these tax cuts - I showed you here a company making 358$ M in sales, not profit, to illustrate how wrong that statement is. Big companies are benefiting from the tax cut but they are bringing $$ back into the U.S. and investing it because that $$ has been parked offshore for decades due to the U.S. tax rates not being competitive- even under the Bush tax cuts the rates were still too high compared to elsewhere. There are a lot of medium sized firms , like AAON above, and more importantly smaller and family owned firms who are benefiting as well. And why is it wrong for a business of any size to keep more of the $$ it earned? Getting a $1,000 bonus is not "making out like bandits". That's the same as a $20 a week raise.The real definition of that is Warren Buffet gaining 29 BILLION due to the tax cut. The other part you are missing is, when you add 1.3 trillion in debt, at some point somebody has to pay the bill. Plus, note that the tax cuts on businesses are indefinite, while the ones on individuals under 200k per year go away. The debt keeps growing and the interest is still there, so the hole is getting deeper. The same conservatives that railed for years on the debt, suddenly look the other way because it's a GOP government? That's the very definition of hypocrisy.
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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 14:40:31 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Mar 27, 2018 14:40:31 GMT -4
You are saying it is only billionaires making out like bandits after these tax cuts - I showed you here a company making 358$ M in sales, not profit, to illustrate how wrong that statement is. Big companies are benefiting from the tax cut but they are bringing $$ back into the U.S. and investing it because that $$ has been parked offshore for decades due to the U.S. tax rates not being competitive- even under the Bush tax cuts the rates were still too high compared to elsewhere. There are a lot of medium sized firms , like AAON above, and more importantly smaller and family owned firms who are benefiting as well. And why is it wrong for a business of any size to keep more of the $$ it earned? Getting a $1,000 bonus is not "making out like bandits". That's the same as a $20 a week raise.The real definition of that is Warren Buffet gaining 29 BILLION due to the tax cut. The other part you are missing is, when you add 1.3 trillion in debt, at some point somebody has to pay the bill. Plus, note that the tax cuts on businesses are indefinite, while the ones on individuals under 200k per year go away. The debt keeps growing and the interest is still there, so the hole is getting deeper. The same conservatives that railed for years on the debt, suddenly look the other way because it's a GOP government? That's the very definition of hypocrisy. The tax cuts for individuals can simply be renewed, the obstacle in the way will be the Dems who want to take those cuts away before they expire.
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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 15:00:48 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 27, 2018 15:00:48 GMT -4
Getting a $1,000 bonus is not "making out like bandits". That's the same as a $20 a week raise.The real definition of that is Warren Buffet gaining 29 BILLION due to the tax cut. The other part you are missing is, when you add 1.3 trillion in debt, at some point somebody has to pay the bill. Plus, note that the tax cuts on businesses are indefinite, while the ones on individuals under 200k per year go away. The debt keeps growing and the interest is still there, so the hole is getting deeper. The same conservatives that railed for years on the debt, suddenly look the other way because it's a GOP government? That's the very definition of hypocrisy. The tax cuts for individuals can simply be renewed, the obstacle in the way will be the Dems who want to take those cuts away before they expire. At some point, somebody will have to pay more taxes or the US will be bankrupt like a Trump organisation. Paying off or down the debt is actually a conservative item. Trump is not really a conservative though, he's just hijacking their party. Trump is talking about cutting social programs like old age security and he has already cut funding for Medicaid. This doesn't hurt rich folks, it hurts his "rust belt" voters directly.
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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 15:19:16 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Mar 27, 2018 15:19:16 GMT -4
The tax cuts for individuals can simply be renewed, the obstacle in the way will be the Dems who want to take those cuts away before they expire. At some point, somebody will have to pay more taxes or the US will be bankrupt like a Trump organisation. Paying off or down the debt is actually a conservative item. Trump is not really a conservative though, he's just hijacking their party. Trump is talking about cutting social programs like old age security and he has already cut funding for Medicaid. This doesn't hurt rich folks, it hurts his "rust belt" voters directly. Billy bullshitting yet again - www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/23/trump-says-he-wont-touch-social-security-medicare/
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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 16:45:27 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 27, 2018 16:45:27 GMT -4
At some point, somebody will have to pay more taxes or the US will be bankrupt like a Trump organisation. Paying off or down the debt is actually a conservative item. Trump is not really a conservative though, he's just hijacking their party. Trump is talking about cutting social programs like old age security and he has already cut funding for Medicaid. This doesn't hurt rich folks, it hurts his "rust belt" voters directly. Billy bullshitting yet again - www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/23/trump-says-he-wont-touch-social-security-medicare/Trump lies more than any human in history, why would he suddenly tell the truth? He's already cut Medicare as part of the tax cuts in December. They cut some of the funding. He lied about Mexico paying for the wall...his dumb supporters bought it. He lied about being for LGBT...already banned them from the military He said he would only deport criminals...lies He said they had no collusion with Russia...there is evidence of meeting between every member of his staff and Russians...his data firm had direct ties to Russia... ...but let's pretend his word has any value. Paul Ryan confirmed a few months ago that there were talks about "reforming" those services.
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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 17:20:24 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 27, 2018 17:20:24 GMT -4
At some point, somebody will have to pay more taxes or the US will be bankrupt like a Trump organisation. Paying off or down the debt is actually a conservative item. Trump is not really a conservative though, he's just hijacking their party. Trump is talking about cutting social programs like old age security and he has already cut funding for Medicaid. This doesn't hurt rich folks, it hurts his "rust belt" voters directly. Billy bullshitting yet again - www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/23/trump-says-he-wont-touch-social-security-medicare/The minute your articles have anything such as "Trump says..." you expose yourself as being an idiot. The guy lies on a daily basis. About everything. He's 1 conversation away from changing every political position he's ever declared for himself because he's not a traditional American politician and could not give a fuck about changing his stance on something. If that's not the most painfully obvious thing to come out of year 1 then i'm not sure what is.
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Trump
Mar 27, 2018 17:49:59 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 27, 2018 17:49:59 GMT -4
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Trump
Mar 28, 2018 5:18:37 GMT -4
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Post by moosefan1994 on Mar 28, 2018 5:18:37 GMT -4
Okay so where is the article where Trump says he is going to cut Social Security benefits? And I'm talking NEWS and not an OPINION piece - I found an article showing where Billy was incorrect and get called an idiot for it, somebody show me an actual news article then.
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Trump
Mar 28, 2018 5:19:02 GMT -4
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Post by moosefan1994 on Mar 28, 2018 5:19:02 GMT -4
Okay so where is the article where Trump says he is going to cut Social Security benefits? And I'm talking NEWS and not an OPINION piece - I found an article showing where Billy was incorrect and get called an idiot for it, somebody show me an actual news article then.
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Trump
Mar 28, 2018 6:04:11 GMT -4
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Post by moosefan1994 on Mar 28, 2018 6:04:11 GMT -4
He committed a felony drug charge so too bad.
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