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Post by chsb on Nov 24, 2017 15:36:03 GMT -4
I think it is obvious that right now, forward is our position of strength. If we manage to add Miromanov and Khovanov for the second half, even more so. That is why I would consider moving Tessier at Xmas, along with Welsh. If we can convert those two into a good young d-man, and a 20 year old d-man at the draft for next season, I would be in favour ... would still leave us with Cyr-McKenna-Pelletier-MacDonald-Khovanov-Mironmanov up front for the second half, which is a decent top 6 group, all eligible to return except Miromanov for next year - add guys like Capanelli, Seitz and Hudson and we should be able to withstand not having Tessier as an OA next season ... would allow us to go with two OAs on defense next year (with Grametbauer rounding out our OAs). I'm not against that idea, but Tessier would make a really nice OA for a contender, guy that can put up 1 PPGM and still play vs the top lines. Not easy to replace...Most of the other guys are more one way offensive guys, which sort of explains why the Cats GAA is terrible(plus obviously not being good on D). Where was Tessier yesterday? |
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Post by troller72 on Nov 24, 2017 15:42:07 GMT -4
Firing Rumble would make zero sense. Last nights performance was not good but overall this team has exceeded expectations considering where things were at 6 months ago. For the most part the Cats have never had any issues regarding work ethic under Rumbles tenure and that really shows this season where the Cats are outplaying teams in the third, they just arent finding the net as much. He can only work with the defense he has.. Bellamy is the first young high end defenseman hes been given and seeing the jump he takes next year is a good test. Its clear he can develop skilled hard working forwards when we see the jumps guys like Cyr & McKenna have taken. I'm not a fan of Shannon as GM, wayyy too many picks thrown away and needless gambles, but Rumble IMO is one of the top 4-5 coaches in the Q. Couldn't agree more, can't name too many good moves Shannon has made, gives up way too many picks. Pretty hard to "rebuild" when you keep throwing 1st round picks around like candy |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Nov 24, 2017 15:55:10 GMT -4
I really am not following a lot of the trade options discussed so far. Next year is a long shot in my opinion after we blew up last year in spectacular form. As well, the year following a Go-For-It next year would be an even more a rebuild year than last given what we would have to mortgage.
I would like to follow Halifax's model and take the three years to grow and finally finish with a BB or RN's model of small downs and go for it second year by investing in young drafts early. If you get in the new rink and Go for it the first and suck the next, it could jeopardize the fan base. If you get in where Halifax was last year and grow to a going for it year the following year, than you have two years of fans that went the first year for the novelty and the second year for the team. After two years you may have a recurring stable new fan base.
To me, I would look at Dunda as a possible trade. He's hard to move in front of the net and hard to stop coming across the blueline. As a third liner on a strong team, I think he could play a strong role. I wouldn't consider any trade over a third round however. One of either Grametbauer or Waite is available for trade IMHO and if given a choice right now I would trade Waite. Gaudreault has impressive stats and I would like to get him in a game or two to see if he can handle the backup role for next year. Campanelli I'm not a believer in but I can always have my mind changed if something starts. Finally Welsh is a very good defenceman and its been great having him back there to teach Belamy, however we should try to recoup what we have into him rather than just watching him show how defence is supposed to be played for the rest of the year. After that, I wouldn't touch a thing. Blowing up was last year and we are lucky to be where we are this year.
Lastly, I'm not surprised that Robert was unhappy with the coaching last night. We were embarrassingly out coached although the team did play terribly. I expect if Rumble is as good as everyone including me thinks, you can expect a next level coaching to start soon. Might have to be a little attention getting shuffle of the players who need to step-up.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 24, 2017 16:12:15 GMT -4
I really am not following a lot of the trade options discussed so far. Next year is a long shot in my opinion after we blew up last year and is spectacular form. As well, the year following a Go-For-It next year would be an even more a rebuild year than last given what we would have to mortgage. I would like to follow Halifax's model and take the three years to grow and finally finish with a BB or RN's model of small downs and go for it second year by investing in young drafts early. If you get in the new rink and Go for it the first and suck the next, it could jeopardize the fan base. If you get in where Halifax was last year and grow to a going for it year the following year, than you have two years of fans that went the first year for the novelty and the second year for the team. After two years you may have a recurring stable new fan base. To me, I would look at Dunda as a possible trade. He's hard to move in front of the net and hard to stop coming across the blueline. As a third liner on a strong team, I think he could play a strong role. I wouldn't consider any trade over a third round however. One of either Grametbauer or Waite is available for trade IMHO and if given a choice right now I would trade Waite. Gaudreault has impressive stats and I would like to get him in a game or two to see if he can handle the backup role for next year. Campanelli I'm not a believer in but I can always have my mind changed if something starts. Finally Welsh is a very good defenceman and its been great having him back there to teach Belamy, however we should try to recoup what we have into him rather than just watching him show how defence is supposed to be played for the rest of the year. After that, I wouldn't touch a thing. Blowing up was last year and we are lucky to be where we are this year. Lastly, I'm not surprised that Robert was unhappy with the coaching last night. We were embarrassingly out coached although the team did play terribly. I expect if Rumble is as good as everyone including me thinks, you can expect a next level coaching to start soon. Might have to be a little attention getting shuffle of the players who need to step-up. I'm not sure Dunda is a guy a contender would pay big for. If he was 19 he might have good value, but as an OA, I don't see anybody giving up more than a 3rd or 4th rounder. Welsh on the other hand might be a guy they can hit a home run on, depending on who is buying any how many teams have open OA slots. He and Galipeau will likely be the top 2 D on the block in December. In terms of Rumble's coaching, I think it's hard to teach them defense given that he has a weak defensive core, a lot of smaller offensive guys and rookies in the Q, plus a lot of smaller one way forwards. |
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Post by chsb on Nov 24, 2017 16:36:22 GMT -4
I really am not following a lot of the trade options discussed so far. Next year is a long shot in my opinion after we blew up last year and is spectacular form. As well, the year following a Go-For-It next year would be an even more a rebuild year than last given what we would have to mortgage. I would like to follow Halifax's model and take the three years to grow and finally finish with a BB or RN's model of small downs and go for it second year by investing in young drafts early. If you get in the new rink and Go for it the first and suck the next, it could jeopardize the fan base. If you get in where Halifax was last year and grow to a going for it year the following year, than you have two years of fans that went the first year for the novelty and the second year for the team. After two years you may have a recurring stable new fan base. To me, I would look at Dunda as a possible trade. He's hard to move in front of the net and hard to stop coming across the blueline. As a third liner on a strong team, I think he could play a strong role. I wouldn't consider any trade over a third round however. One of either Grametbauer or Waite is available for trade IMHO and if given a choice right now I would trade Waite. Gaudreault has impressive stats and I would like to get him in a game or two to see if he can handle the backup role for next year. Campanelli I'm not a believer in but I can always have my mind changed if something starts. Finally Welsh is a very good defenceman and its been great having him back there to teach Belamy, however we should try to recoup what we have into him rather than just watching him show how defence is supposed to be played for the rest of the year. After that, I wouldn't touch a thing. Blowing up was last year and we are lucky to be where we are this year. Lastly, I'm not surprised that Robert was unhappy with the coaching last night. We were embarrassingly out coached although the team did play terribly. I expect if Rumble is as good as everyone including me thinks, you can expect a next level coaching to start soon. Might have to be a little attention getting shuffle of the players who need to step-up. I'm not sure Dunda is a guy a contender would pay big for. If he was 19 he might have good value, but as an OA, I don't see anybody giving up more than a 3rd or 4th rounder. Welsh on the other hand might be a guy they can hit a home run on, depending on who is buying any how many teams have open OA slots. He and Galipeau will likely be the top 2 D on the block in December. In terms of Rumble's coaching, I think it's hard to teach them defense given that he has a weak defensive core, a lot of smaller offensive guys and rookies in the Q, plus a lot of smaller one way forwards.
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Nov 24, 2017 16:37:23 GMT -4
I really am not following a lot of the trade options discussed so far. Next year is a long shot in my opinion after we blew up last year and is spectacular form. As well, the year following a Go-For-It next year would be an even more a rebuild year than last given what we would have to mortgage. I would like to follow Halifax's model and take the three years to grow and finally finish with a BB or RN's model of small downs and go for it second year by investing in young drafts early. If you get in the new rink and Go for it the first and suck the next, it could jeopardize the fan base. If you get in where Halifax was last year and grow to a going for it year the following year, than you have two years of fans that went the first year for the novelty and the second year for the team. After two years you may have a recurring stable new fan base. To me, I would look at Dunda as a possible trade. He's hard to move in front of the net and hard to stop coming across the blueline. As a third liner on a strong team, I think he could play a strong role. I wouldn't consider any trade over a third round however. One of either Grametbauer or Waite is available for trade IMHO and if given a choice right now I would trade Waite. Gaudreault has impressive stats and I would like to get him in a game or two to see if he can handle the backup role for next year. Campanelli I'm not a believer in but I can always have my mind changed if something starts. Finally Welsh is a very good defenceman and its been great having him back there to teach Belamy, however we should try to recoup what we have into him rather than just watching him show how defence is supposed to be played for the rest of the year. After that, I wouldn't touch a thing. Blowing up was last year and we are lucky to be where we are this year. Lastly, I'm not surprised that Robert was unhappy with the coaching last night. We were embarrassingly out coached although the team did play terribly. I expect if Rumble is as good as everyone including me thinks, you can expect a next level coaching to start soon. Might have to be a little attention getting shuffle of the players who need to step-up. I'm not sure Dunda is a guy a contender would pay big for. If he was 19 he might have good value, but as an OA, I don't see anybody giving up more than a 3rd or 4th rounder. Welsh on the other hand might be a guy they can hit a home run on, depending on who is buying any how many teams have open OA slots. He and Galipeau will likely be the top 2 D on the block in December. In terms of Rumble's coaching, I think it's hard to teach them defense given that he has a weak defensive core, a lot of smaller offensive guys and rookies in the Q, plus a lot of smaller one way forwards. You know that in a Go for it year you have to pay the price what ever it is. Dunda is big and can impact in front of the net and is mobile. I think you can get a second for him. Might have to take a third but he's worth more to us than anything higher than that. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 24, 2017 16:44:17 GMT -4
I'm not sure Dunda is a guy a contender would pay big for. If he was 19 he might have good value, but as an OA, I don't see anybody giving up more than a 3rd or 4th rounder. Welsh on the other hand might be a guy they can hit a home run on, depending on who is buying any how many teams have open OA slots. He and Galipeau will likely be the top 2 D on the block in December. In terms of Rumble's coaching, I think it's hard to teach them defense given that he has a weak defensive core, a lot of smaller offensive guys and rookies in the Q, plus a lot of smaller one way forwards.
Tessier? Tessier is 6' and probably the best defensive forward on the team, he plays against top lines. |
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Post by chsb on Nov 24, 2017 17:25:25 GMT -4
And Tessier minus 7
L'Italien plays against top lines: +8
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Post by lirette on Nov 24, 2017 17:42:07 GMT -4
I hope to one day live in a world where people will stop referencing +/-. One can dream
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Nov 24, 2017 17:51:49 GMT -4
I hope to one day live in a world where people will stop referencing +/-. One can dream Corsi is much better. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 24, 2017 18:27:55 GMT -4
And Tessier minus 7 L'Italien plays against top lines: +8 Moncton a minus 9 on the year and Bathurst a +15... +/- is one of the more meaningless stats in the league. Obviously all things being equal you would take the better +/- but it’s one of the worst stats. |
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Nov 24, 2017 19:51:38 GMT -4
And Tessier minus 7 L'Italien plays against top lines: +8 I supposed you'd rather Litalien over Batherson too... he's a -5 |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 24, 2017 19:56:06 GMT -4
And Tessier minus 7 L'Italien plays against top lines: +8 1-plus minus is largely a team stat, hard to compare players from different teams 2-Moncton is -9 in GF GA and Bathurst is +17 |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Nov 24, 2017 21:45:10 GMT -4
And Tessier minus 7 L'Italien plays against top lines: +8 I supposed you'd rather Litalien over Batherson too... he's a -5 Of course he would. L'Italien isn't injured. |
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Post by chsb on Nov 24, 2017 22:05:06 GMT -4
I like Tessier, but this team will go for Batherson or nothing if they buy at Christmas.
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