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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2017 12:29:16 GMT -4
To me the first 5 rounds of the draft is the most important part. That’s where you’re going to find your players to “build” around, you don’t take risks on guys like the Wildcats have in Dicaire, Corson, etc, etc. You don’t take risks on true NCAA guys or guys unwillingly to report in the top 5 rounds and you make sure you draft for BPA. After you’re past round 5, take those shots and hope you hit on 1, if you find that diamond in the rough that’s when you’re draft goes from good to great. When you draft for needs and try to outsmart other teams/get long shots to report, that’s when you have a poor drafting record. Don’t draft local guys just because they’re local, take the guy that best fits your team. There’s nothing overly complicated to having a successful draft but for some reason the teams that draft well always draft well and the teams that draft poorly always draft poorly, imo this isn’t as much to do with scouting as it is a philosophical approach that comes from the GM down. I agree with your point, it goes even further, you can't go into every draft with no 1st rounder...he is the last 7-8 years... 2010...no 1st rounder 2011...drafted Shea who was a bust 2012...no 1st rounder 2013...no 1st or 2nd rounder 2014...no 1st rounder, 2nd rounder was bust(Corson) 2015...no 1st rounder 2016...no 1st or 2nd rounder, highest pick(3rd) was a bust(Massie) So far 2017 looks good, but the 2018 1st has already been traded away, so it looks like back to the last 6 years... |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Dec 19, 2017 12:34:38 GMT -4
Shannon definitely seems to follow the Patenaude style of team building. Eventually you run into trouble, and the "peak" isn't likely going to be as high as it could be. A lot of taking a mediocre team, and making them a pretty good team. Repeat.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2017 12:35:54 GMT -4
Sylvestre is not anything special either, he was their #4 last year, getting big minutes now on a shitty team. I don't see the rush to trade away draft picks. Reminds me of a gambling addict rushing to the gambling machines on payday. I don't see why they couldn't just hold on to their picks. In fact if they were serious about being a good host, add a bunch of picks for Tessier and Welsh, then you have leverage in June to add big players. Draft picks are worth more in June than they are now... I think people are underrating Sylvestre a little bit for the sake of being negative. Don't get me wrong, I think they overpaid. I was disappointed that Boulianne was added to the deal. Likely because they felt he was their guy and if another contender grabbed him he would not be available as a 20 year old. On pace for 26 pts as a "stay at home Dman" playing for the 2nd worst offence in the league. Has 5 goals already this season. Adding him to a more offensive minded team should see increased production. its fine to say he was a#4 dman last year but lets provide a little context and be fair instead of acting like we acquired a Junior A dman. He was #4 as an 18 year old on a d core that had Sam Girard, Nicolas Welsh & Cavan Fitzgerald If a team like Bathurst had grabbed him, he would likely have been available for next year, probably at a much lower price. Nobody is suggesting he is a Jr.A defenseman, but he isn't an impact player like Welsh(or Gregoire) who will make others around him better, plus, the Cats are in 14th, what is the rush to add a 19 year old. Wait until the draft, and see what your picks get you, draft picks are usually worth more in June than midseason. Veteran players are usually cheaper at the draft than at midseason also. Plus, in terms of the MC bid, having or not having Sylvestre doesn't move the needle, not even a little bit. Trade a pick for an 18 year old looking for a change of scenery(Charlebois), sure, makes a lot of sense... |
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Post by jordo999 on Dec 19, 2017 13:29:44 GMT -4
The thing about the Sylvestre trade is you guys definitely made the best offer, if any of the contenders really wanted him that bad I'm sure they would've made a similar offer. However I feel this trade is really a desperate move for Moncton more than anything, why make this trade now and pay for his 1/2 season of extra work this year when you probably could've got him cheaper next year or someone similar for cheaper. However I do understand that the 19 YO's are pretty slim pickins this year so Sylvestre is one of the better options to go for. I think you will see his production increased and he should be solid. Big price tag and a questionable move right now though.
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Post by jordo999 on Dec 19, 2017 13:38:49 GMT -4
If Galipeau is in fact being traded to Bathurst, who grabs Welsh? Victoriaville is one team that makes sense, maybe Blainville as an upgrade on Bisson? But then again who goes after Montpetit or Samuel? Blainville seems fine in nets now with Denisov and Leclerc so it all depends if Victo wants a goalie more than another D, which they already acquired 2 of. Where else could Welsh go? Doesn't seem like there's many spots left
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2017 13:39:06 GMT -4
The thing about the Sylvestre trade is you guys definitely made the best offer, if any of the contenders really wanted him that bad I'm sure they would've made a similar offer. However I feel this trade is really a desperate move for Moncton more than anything, why make this trade now and pay for his 1/2 season of extra work this year when you probably could've got him cheaper next year or someone similar for cheaper. However I do understand that the 19 YO's are pretty slim pickins this year so Sylvestre is one of the better options to go for. I think you will see his production increased and he should be solid. Big price tag and a questionable move right now though. If 1998's year olds are weak next year, there is nothing stopping the WC from trading for 1999's or 2000's. I just find it's a dumb excuse, if a player's cost is higher than his value, obviously time to move on to plan B. |
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Post by jordo999 on Dec 19, 2017 13:40:44 GMT -4
The thing about the Sylvestre trade is you guys definitely made the best offer, if any of the contenders really wanted him that bad I'm sure they would've made a similar offer. However I feel this trade is really a desperate move for Moncton more than anything, why make this trade now and pay for his 1/2 season of extra work this year when you probably could've got him cheaper next year or someone similar for cheaper. However I do understand that the 19 YO's are pretty slim pickins this year so Sylvestre is one of the better options to go for. I think you will see his production increased and he should be solid. Big price tag and a questionable move right now though. If 1998's year olds are weak next year, there is nothing stopping the WC from trading for 1999's or 2000's. I just find it's a dumb excuse, if a player's cost is higher than his value, obviously time to move on to plan B. I agree, like I said it's a pretty desperate move, in my opinion anyways |
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 19, 2017 14:24:19 GMT -4
Sylvestre trade is posted on the Wildcats website. Quebec’s 2018 1st rounder, Bathurst’s 2018 2nd rounder and Mathieu Boulianne to Shawinigan. Derek Dicaire to B-C. Wildcats get a 2018 8th round pick. Moncton gets a 4th round pick from Bathurst as Miromanov didn’t report to start the season. Bathurst gets a 6th round from Moncton. Kyle Auger, Riley MacRae and Colton McKenna have been released. I believe the 4th is because Murphy reported to Bathurst. They would have gotten another 4th if Miromanov didn't come. Shanno0n was hyping Auger as a 2 1/2 year player, he only lasted 2 1/2 months! This morning's paper has Hodge saying it is for Miromanov not reporting at the beginning of the season. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2017 14:35:49 GMT -4
I believe the 4th is because Murphy reported to Bathurst. They would have gotten another 4th if Miromanov didn't come. Shanno0n was hyping Auger as a 2 1/2 year player, he only lasted 2 1/2 months! This morning's paper has Hodge saying it is for Miromanov not reporting at the beginning of the season. Either way proves chsb and his "source" were wrong... |
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Post by bois on Dec 19, 2017 14:44:07 GMT -4
If Galipeau is in fact being traded to Bathurst, who grabs Welsh? Victoriaville is one team that makes sense, maybe Blainville as an upgrade on Bisson? But then again who goes after Montpetit or Samuel? Blainville seems fine in nets now with Denisov and Leclerc so it all depends if Victo wants a goalie more than another D, which they already acquired 2 of. Where else could Welsh go? Doesn't seem like there's many spots left To play with his little brother on PEI |
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Post by jordo999 on Dec 19, 2017 14:50:57 GMT -4
If Galipeau is in fact being traded to Bathurst, who grabs Welsh? Victoriaville is one team that makes sense, maybe Blainville as an upgrade on Bisson? But then again who goes after Montpetit or Samuel? Blainville seems fine in nets now with Denisov and Leclerc so it all depends if Victo wants a goalie more than another D, which they already acquired 2 of. Where else could Welsh go? Doesn't seem like there's many spots left To play with his little brother on PEI that's possible but does Charlottetown want to pay the somewhat high price for him is the question |
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Dec 19, 2017 14:55:19 GMT -4
To play with his little brother on PEI that's possible but does Charlottetown want to pay the somewhat high price for him is the question Hulton: “roger what’s the price on nick so he can play with his little brother?” Shannon: “it’s the season of giving so he could be had for a 3rd to reunite the family one spot!” Everyone else: roger claus is in mid season form it seems! |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2017 15:00:47 GMT -4
If Galipeau is in fact being traded to Bathurst, who grabs Welsh? Victoriaville is one team that makes sense, maybe Blainville as an upgrade on Bisson? But then again who goes after Montpetit or Samuel? Blainville seems fine in nets now with Denisov and Leclerc so it all depends if Victo wants a goalie more than another D, which they already acquired 2 of. Where else could Welsh go? Doesn't seem like there's many spots left To play with his little brother on PEI Don't think PEI is willing to pay a big price for an OA. He wouldn't be cheap... |
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Post by jordo999 on Dec 19, 2017 15:03:06 GMT -4
To play with his little brother on PEI Don't think PEI is willing to pay a big price for an OA. He wouldn't be cheap... whenever the Galipeau trade is announced (if it's real), that should give a similar idea to what Welsh could fetch |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 19, 2017 15:05:27 GMT -4
Don't think PEI is willing to pay a big price for an OA. He wouldn't be cheap... whenever the Galipeau trade is announced (if it's real), that should give a similar idea to what Welsh could fetch Not necessarily. As bodies move and the market dries up certain 20's could become very cheap as there becomes more bodies then places for them to play. |
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