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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2017 15:05:44 GMT -4
If Galipeau is in fact being traded to Bathurst, who grabs Welsh? Victoriaville is one team that makes sense, maybe Blainville as an upgrade on Bisson? But then again who goes after Montpetit or Samuel? Blainville seems fine in nets now with Denisov and Leclerc so it all depends if Victo wants a goalie more than another D, which they already acquired 2 of. Where else could Welsh go? Doesn't seem like there's many spots left Halifax, BBA, Bathurst(if they don't get Galipeau), Quebec, Victo or RN(are they buying?). |
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Post by jordo999 on Dec 19, 2017 15:07:41 GMT -4
If Galipeau is in fact being traded to Bathurst, who grabs Welsh? Victoriaville is one team that makes sense, maybe Blainville as an upgrade on Bisson? But then again who goes after Montpetit or Samuel? Blainville seems fine in nets now with Denisov and Leclerc so it all depends if Victo wants a goalie more than another D, which they already acquired 2 of. Where else could Welsh go? Doesn't seem like there's many spots left Halifax, BBA, Bathurst(if they don't get Galipeau), Quebec, Victo or RN(are they buying?). I forgot that Halifax could move Mann-Dixon and bring in a guy like Welsh, Quebec could also upgrade on Picco and Eastman, they have 4 OA's now and I'm not sure if any got released, but Kirwan and Boucher are locks so Welsh could fit well there as an upgrade. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2017 15:08:34 GMT -4
whenever the Galipeau trade is announced (if it's real), that should give a similar idea to what Welsh could fetch Not necessarily. As bodies move and the market dries up certain 20's could become very cheap as there becomes more bodies then places for them to play. If he goes to Bathurst, it leaves the other contenders with at least one weak OA, so it should be a pretty strong market. Halifax is an obvious choice... |
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Post by jordo999 on Dec 19, 2017 15:09:09 GMT -4
whenever the Galipeau trade is announced (if it's real), that should give a similar idea to what Welsh could fetch Not necessarily. As bodies move and the market dries up certain 20's could become very cheap as there becomes more bodies then places for them to play. that's true, but I can imagine Moncton saying they want something similar once they see what Galipeau goes for. But you're right it could die down and he might be had for less value. But then again he's probably the next best OA D after Galipeau so |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2017 15:12:09 GMT -4
Not necessarily. As bodies move and the market dries up certain 20's could become very cheap as there becomes more bodies then places for them to play. that's true, but I can imagine Moncton saying they want something similar once they see what Galipeau goes for. But you're right it could die down and he might be had for less value. But then again he's probably the next best OA D after Galipeau so Based on the landscape right now, it should be a pretty robust market for both Galipeau and Welsh, assuming both move. |
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Post by npsh on Dec 19, 2017 15:15:36 GMT -4
I think people are underrating Sylvestre a little bit for the sake of being negative. Don't get me wrong, I think they overpaid. I was disappointed that Boulianne was added to the deal. Likely because they felt he was their guy and if another contender grabbed him he would not be available as a 20 year old. On pace for 26 pts as a "stay at home Dman" playing for the 2nd worst offence in the league. Has 5 goals already this season. Adding him to a more offensive minded team should see increased production. its fine to say he was a#4 dman last year but lets provide a little context and be fair instead of acting like we acquired a Junior A dman. He was #4 as an 18 year old on a d core that had Sam Girard, Nicolas Welsh & Cavan Fitzgerald If a team like Bathurst had grabbed him, he would likely have been available for next year, probably at a much lower price. Nobody is suggesting he is a Jr.A defenseman, but he isn't an impact player like Welsh(or Gregoire) who will make others around him better, plus, the Cats are in 14th, what is the rush to add a 19 year old. Wait until the draft, and see what your picks get you, draft picks are usually worth more in June than midseason. Veteran players are usually cheaper at the draft than at midseason also. Plus, in terms of the MC bid, having or not having Sylvestre doesn't move the needle, not even a little bit. Trade a pick for an 18 year old looking for a change of scenery(Charlebois), sure, makes a lot of sense... I don’t have the in-depth knowledge of the league as you do, but have to say I find this move puzzling as well. One reason I can suggest and may be off the mark is with the current situation one win in thirteen games mid season Irving is concerned about the fans and wants to stop the bleeding now with some wins. He doesn’t want to have a similar or close position like this time last year, especially going into the new facility, combined with additional cost to the fan base. Fair to say fans are not all that impressed and I further believe this is why he bid on Memorial Cup to generate some interest amongst the lot. Just saying. |
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Post by mav on Dec 19, 2017 15:15:37 GMT -4
Now I realize we don't necessarily need him but what about a deal where Welsh goes to QUE for Gentile?. I know we have too many fwds but it would allow us some flxibility to move a younger fwd to get that dominant defenseman(if there will be one available). Just a thought since QUE will probably have interest in Welsh
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2017 15:19:16 GMT -4
Now I realize we don't necessarily need him but what about a deal where Welsh goes to QUE for Gentile?. I know we have too many fwds but it would allow us some flxibility to move a younger fwd to get that dominant defenseman(if there will be one available). Just a thought since QUE will probably have interest in Welsh It also frees up Tessier. With Pelletier Cyr and Khovanov they can afford to trade a center. It would open up an OA spot to get a 20 year old at the draft(much cheaper than Sylvestre I'm sure). |
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 19, 2017 15:31:50 GMT -4
Halifax, BBA, Bathurst(if they don't get Galipeau), Quebec, Victo or RN(are they buying?). I forgot that Halifax could move Mann-Dixon and bring in a guy like Welsh, Quebec could also upgrade on Picco and Eastman, they have 4 OA's now and I'm not sure if any got released, but Kirwan and Boucher are locks so Welsh could fit well there as an upgrade. I think if Halifax was to bring in another OA that Moynihan would be the guy getting moved out. BMD is too valuable to that team this season to get rid of him. |
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Post by lirette on Dec 19, 2017 15:39:30 GMT -4
The thing I hate about trading Tessier is he could be a beast next year, a 2 way centre with the best puck protection on the team. The kind of guy I want on a contending team..but I would be open to a situation where they move Tessier if they make another move where they could add another 20 year old D at the draft. If a Gentile for Welsh trade did happen you could try & trade tessier to BBA for Corbeil at the draft. Next year would look like this
MacDonald-Khovanov-McKenna
Cyr-Pelletier-Gentile
Capanelli-Seitz-Hudson
Blackmore-Kuzmin-Rookie
Sylvestre-Corbeil
Euro-Aspirot
Bellamy-Tucker/Rookie
Grametbauer
Waite/Gaudreault/Paradis/MacDonald fight it out
That's a pretty good start.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2017 15:42:40 GMT -4
The thing I hate about trading Tessier is he could be a beast next year, a 2 way centre with the best puck protection on the team. The kind of guy I want on a contending team..but I would be open to a situation where they move Tessier if they make another move where they could add another 20 year old D at the draft. If a Gentile for Welsh trade did happen you could try & trade tessier to BBA for Corbeil at the draft. Next year would look like this MacDonald-Khovanov-McKenna Cyr-Pelletier-Gentile Capanelli-Seitz-Hudson Blackmore-Kuzmin-Rookie Sylvestre-Corbeil Euro-Aspirot Bellamy-Tucker/Rookie Grametbauer Waite/Gaudreault/Paradis/MacDonald fight it out That's a pretty good start. yeah, I would try and get an 18 or 19 year old Euro d-man to upgrade on Lecoultre. In that scenario, Cyr Pelletier and Khovanov are your top 3 centers. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Dec 19, 2017 15:46:40 GMT -4
I forgot that Halifax could move Mann-Dixon and bring in a guy like Welsh, Quebec could also upgrade on Picco and Eastman, they have 4 OA's now and I'm not sure if any got released, but Kirwan and Boucher are locks so Welsh could fit well there as an upgrade. I think if Halifax was to bring in another OA that Moynihan would be the guy getting moved out. BMD is too valuable to that team this season to get rid of him. I doubt very much that you see Moynihan moved to upgrade. He fills a role well on this team anyway - size, skill, toughness and is a 5 year player. He's a leader on the team and playing on the top 2 lines generally. I think if Halifax upgrades in any way for this year, it will be via draft picks for a player or two. |
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Post by chsb on Dec 19, 2017 15:52:11 GMT -4
If Galipeau is in fact being traded to Bathurst, who grabs Welsh? Victoriaville is one team that makes sense, maybe Blainville as an upgrade on Bisson? But then again who goes after Montpetit or Samuel? Blainville seems fine in nets now with Denisov and Leclerc so it all depends if Victo wants a goalie more than another D, which they already acquired 2 of. Where else could Welsh go? Doesn't seem like there's many spots left Halifax, BBA, Bathurst(if they don't get Galipeau), Quebec, Victo or RN(are they buying?). No way AB move Theede for Welsh! |
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Post by chsb on Dec 19, 2017 15:55:22 GMT -4
that's true, but I can imagine Moncton saying they want something similar once they see what Galipeau goes for. But you're right it could die down and he might be had for less value. But then again he's probably the next best OA D after Galipeau so Based on the landscape right now, it should be a pretty robust market for both Galipeau and Welsh, assuming both move. Welsh is more of a Sylvestre caliber player than a Galipeau caliber player. It's just not even close! |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2017 15:57:43 GMT -4
Halifax, BBA, Bathurst(if they don't get Galipeau), Quebec, Victo or RN(are they buying?). No way AB move Theede for Welsh! Are your sources any better than the ones that said Moncton wasn't getting a 4th round pick? |
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