ronmac
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Post by ronmac on Mar 13, 2019 12:03:14 GMT -4
I would say that he/she is not being defensive, just questioning your character. Which does seem to be pretty shitty with how negative it is just as novycatsfan pointed out. Definitely wouldn't ever want the likes of your negativity in any organization or dressing room with attitude like that It is a valid question as to why they aren't starting Lavallee. But also nobody truly knows the full story so why do you keep beating the dead horse and bringing it up in every single thread? My character? I have been following the WC since year 1...The Alpines...I want to see a team that competes for championship, not one just trying to get 2 home playoff dates every year. Hard to be positive when you see one of the biggest markets in the Q being run like a 2nd rate franchise. ass backwards. Have too agree with Capt Obvious. I too have follow the Cats since the days of the Aplines, and the last 10 years or so, it looks like as long as we get a round or two in the playoffs, that's all that's needed, and some of the dum draft picks, and trades, it has to make you wonder. |
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 13, 2019 14:40:42 GMT -4
My character? I have been following the WC since year 1...The Alpines...I want to see a team that competes for championship, not one just trying to get 2 home playoff dates every year. Hard to be positive when you see one of the biggest markets in the Q being run like a 2nd rate franchise. ass backwards. Have too agree with Capt Obvious. I too have follow the Cats since the days of the Aplines, and the last 10 years or so, it looks like as long as we get a round or two in the playoffs, that's all that's needed, and some of the dum draft picks, and trades, it has to make you wonder. Well I don't think that the Wildcats feel that one or two rounds of playoffs is all that is needed. I believe that RKI wants to win every year and win the Memorial Cup every year ... but he isn't willing to wait four years for it followed by a few down years. He wants to win every year and wants to have an upper echelon team every year. So he pushes his people to make it happen ... to at least shorten the cycle between winning seasons. We all know that the sure-fired way to make it happen is to stockpile high-end picks and build through the draft ... and load up when you are ready ... he knows that too. But that comes with a few years at the bottom afterward which is not good for business at all. So he pushes his people to find another way to make it happen, which so far has failed. But it is the Irving way to always demand more from their people until they are doing things better than everybody else ... clearly we have not yet reached that point. So until Irving has exhausted all options to build a championship team faster, this is what we'll be doing. The current winning business model ... as stated above ... is not a good business model when your attendance takes a dive for two years. You aren't giving your fans what they pay for. Bathurst fans are not happy this year even though they won it all last year ... neither are SJ fans. The glow from winning a championship doesn't last very long. For me it lasts about as long as the off-season ... and then its back to the rink to be entertained again. My Redsox won last season ... just 4 months ago ... but if they get off to a shitty start in a few weeks I'll be pissed. The glow from that WS championship is already gone and its a new season. Irving will always run this team like a business, and I can't see him conform to what everybody else is doing and just get in line and wait for his turn to be a contender. That's just not the Irving way. He sees London doing it better than everybody else and expects the same for his team. Unfortunately our circumstances are different than London's so we can't reach that level ... so he wants his people to find another way. Its pretty difficult to fault him for wanting to do it better than everybody else. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 13, 2019 18:00:17 GMT -4
Have too agree with Capt Obvious. I too have follow the Cats since the days of the Aplines, and the last 10 years or so, it looks like as long as we get a round or two in the playoffs, that's all that's needed, and some of the dum draft picks, and trades, it has to make you wonder. Well I don't think that the Wildcats feel that one or two rounds of playoffs is all that is needed. I believe that RKI wants to win every year and win the Memorial Cup every year ... but he isn't willing to wait four years for it followed by a few down years. He wants to win every year and wants to have an upper echelon team every year. So he pushes his people to make it happen ... to at least shorten the cycle between winning seasons. We all know that the sure-fired way to make it happen is to stockpile high-end picks and build through the draft ... and load up when you are ready ... he knows that too. But that comes with a few years at the bottom afterward which is not good for business at all. So he pushes his people to find another way to make it happen, which so far has failed. But it is the Irving way to always demand more from their people until they are doing things better than everybody else ... clearly we have not yet reached that point. So until Irving has exhausted all options to build a championship team faster, this is what we'll be doing. The current winning business model ... as stated above ... is not a good business model when your attendance takes a dive for two years. You aren't giving your fans what they pay for. Bathurst fans are not happy this year even though they won it all last year ... neither are SJ fans. The glow from winning a championship doesn't last very long. For me it lasts about as long as the off-season ... and then its back to the rink to be entertained again. My Redsox won last season ... just 4 months ago ... but if they get off to a shitty start in a few weeks I'll be pissed. The glow from that WS championship is already gone and its a new season. Irving will always run this team like a business, and I can't see him conform to what everybody else is doing and just get in line and wait for his turn to be a contender. That's just not the Irving way. He sees London doing it better than everybody else and expects the same for his team. Unfortunately our circumstances are different than London's so we can't reach that level ... so he wants his people to find another way. Its pretty difficult to fault him for wanting to do it better than everybody else. I'm pretty sure the WC attendance has never nosedived in rebuilding years. I'm sure there is a drop, but attendance was still solid, even in the worst seasons...can somebody point out where the year over year attendance numbers? |
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Post by npsh on Mar 13, 2019 22:09:37 GMT -4
Have too agree with Capt Obvious. I too have follow the Cats since the days of the Aplines, and the last 10 years or so, it looks like as long as we get a round or two in the playoffs, that's all that's needed, and some of the dum draft picks, and trades, it has to make you wonder. Well I don't think that the Wildcats feel that one or two rounds of playoffs is all that is needed. I believe that RKI wants to win every year and win the Memorial Cup every year ... but he isn't willing to wait four years for it followed by a few down years. He wants to win every year and wants to have an upper echelon team every year. So he pushes his people to make it happen ... to at least shorten the cycle between winning seasons. We all know that the sure-fired way to make it happen is to stockpile high-end picks and build through the draft ... and load up when you are ready ... he knows that too. But that comes with a few years at the bottom afterward which is not good for business at all. So he pushes his people to find another way to make it happen, which so far has failed. But it is the Irving way to always demand more from their people until they are doing things better than everybody else ... clearly we have not yet reached that point. So until Irving has exhausted all options to build a championship team faster, this is what we'll be doing. The current winning business model ... as stated above ... is not a good business model when your attendance takes a dive for two years. You aren't giving your fans what they pay for. Bathurst fans are not happy this year even though they won it all last year ... neither are SJ fans. The glow from winning a championship doesn't last very long. For me it lasts about as long as the off-season ... and then its back to the rink to be entertained again. My Redsox won last season ... just 4 months ago ... but if they get off to a shitty start in a few weeks I'll be pissed. The glow from that WS championship is already gone and its a new season. Irving will always run this team like a business, and I can't see him conform to what everybody else is doing and just get in line and wait for his turn to be a contender. That's just not the Irving way. He sees London doing it better than everybody else and expects the same for his team. Unfortunately our circumstances are different than London's so we can't reach that level ... so he wants his people to find another way. Its pretty difficult to fault him for wanting to do it better than everybody else. I think your couple of last paragraphs nailed it, surely Irving knows that Bathurst, Saint John and Halifax secured MC trophies by NOT doing what he(Irving) did. Just business coupled with entertainment for Him and when he tires of it, team will be sold. |
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 14, 2019 8:24:42 GMT -4
Well I don't think that the Wildcats feel that one or two rounds of playoffs is all that is needed. I believe that RKI wants to win every year and win the Memorial Cup every year ... but he isn't willing to wait four years for it followed by a few down years. He wants to win every year and wants to have an upper echelon team every year. So he pushes his people to make it happen ... to at least shorten the cycle between winning seasons. We all know that the sure-fired way to make it happen is to stockpile high-end picks and build through the draft ... and load up when you are ready ... he knows that too. But that comes with a few years at the bottom afterward which is not good for business at all. So he pushes his people to find another way to make it happen, which so far has failed. But it is the Irving way to always demand more from their people until they are doing things better than everybody else ... clearly we have not yet reached that point. So until Irving has exhausted all options to build a championship team faster, this is what we'll be doing. The current winning business model ... as stated above ... is not a good business model when your attendance takes a dive for two years. You aren't giving your fans what they pay for. Bathurst fans are not happy this year even though they won it all last year ... neither are SJ fans. The glow from winning a championship doesn't last very long. For me it lasts about as long as the off-season ... and then its back to the rink to be entertained again. My Redsox won last season ... just 4 months ago ... but if they get off to a shitty start in a few weeks I'll be pissed. The glow from that WS championship is already gone and its a new season. Irving will always run this team like a business, and I can't see him conform to what everybody else is doing and just get in line and wait for his turn to be a contender. That's just not the Irving way. He sees London doing it better than everybody else and expects the same for his team. Unfortunately our circumstances are different than London's so we can't reach that level ... so he wants his people to find another way. Its pretty difficult to fault him for wanting to do it better than everybody else. I'm pretty sure the WC attendance has never nosedived in rebuilding years. I'm sure there is a drop, but attendance was still solid, even in the worst seasons...can somebody point out where the year over year attendance numbers? No ... we never really nose-dive but we do have a drop ... but he knows that in down years he is not giving the fans what they are paying for. He doesn't like down years either and wants to come to the rink and be entertained just like anybody else. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 14, 2019 9:40:42 GMT -4
Well I don't think that the Wildcats feel that one or two rounds of playoffs is all that is needed. I believe that RKI wants to win every year and win the Memorial Cup every year ... but he isn't willing to wait four years for it followed by a few down years. He wants to win every year and wants to have an upper echelon team every year. So he pushes his people to make it happen ... to at least shorten the cycle between winning seasons. We all know that the sure-fired way to make it happen is to stockpile high-end picks and build through the draft ... and load up when you are ready ... he knows that too. But that comes with a few years at the bottom afterward which is not good for business at all. So he pushes his people to find another way to make it happen, which so far has failed. But it is the Irving way to always demand more from their people until they are doing things better than everybody else ... clearly we have not yet reached that point. So until Irving has exhausted all options to build a championship team faster, this is what we'll be doing. The current winning business model ... as stated above ... is not a good business model when your attendance takes a dive for two years. You aren't giving your fans what they pay for. Bathurst fans are not happy this year even though they won it all last year ... neither are SJ fans. The glow from winning a championship doesn't last very long. For me it lasts about as long as the off-season ... and then its back to the rink to be entertained again. My Redsox won last season ... just 4 months ago ... but if they get off to a shitty start in a few weeks I'll be pissed. The glow from that WS championship is already gone and its a new season. Irving will always run this team like a business, and I can't see him conform to what everybody else is doing and just get in line and wait for his turn to be a contender. That's just not the Irving way. He sees London doing it better than everybody else and expects the same for his team. Unfortunately our circumstances are different than London's so we can't reach that level ... so he wants his people to find another way. Its pretty difficult to fault him for wanting to do it better than everybody else. I'm pretty sure the WC attendance has never nosedived in rebuilding years. I'm sure there is a drop, but attendance was still solid, even in the worst seasons...can somebody point out where the year over year attendance numbers? Probably not 100% accurate but enough of a guide to give you an idea. Outside of the Mem Cup boost in 2006 you're basically in and around a 3800-4800 per game point every season. |
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Post by Arnold Slick on Mar 14, 2019 10:27:23 GMT -4
I'm pretty sure the WC attendance has never nosedived in rebuilding years. I'm sure there is a drop, but attendance was still solid, even in the worst seasons...can somebody point out where the year over year attendance numbers? Probably not 100% accurate but enough of a guide to give you an idea. Outside of the Mem Cup boost in 2006 you're basically in and around a 3800-4800 per game point every season. The only time attendance took a significant drop was the season where they decided not to ice a Q caliber team in the second half. I certainly don't blame anyone for not wanting to attend those games. Otherwise attendance stays about the same whether the team is good or bad. In that sense there's really no reason at all to be afraid of one or two years of rebuilding. I don't think this is anything to do with being happy to win a round. It's just as Steve has stated above...the Supreme Leader wants to win every year and that's that. Clearly it's been a failure so far. This year's version of wanting to win every year has the Cats in very real danger of finishing behind teams (Charlottetown & Chicoutimi) who got younger and improved themselves for next year while Moncton made moves solely for this season. |
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ronmac
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Post by ronmac on Mar 14, 2019 11:53:39 GMT -4
Have too agree with Capt Obvious. I too have follow the Cats since the days of the Aplines, and the last 10 years or so, it looks like as long as we get a round or two in the playoffs, that's all that's needed, and some of the dum draft picks, and trades, it has to make you wonder. Well I don't think that the Wildcats feel that one or two rounds of playoffs is all that is needed. I believe that RKI wants to win every year and win the Memorial Cup every year ... but he isn't willing to wait four years for it followed by a few down years. He wants to win every year and wants to have an upper echelon team every year. So he pushes his people to make it happen ... to at least shorten the cycle between winning seasons. We all know that the sure-fired way to make it happen is to stockpile high-end picks and build through the draft ... and load up when you are ready ... he knows that too. But that comes with a few years at the bottom afterward which is not good for business at all. So he pushes his people to find another way to make it happen, which so far has failed. But it is the Irving way to always demand more from their people until they are doing things better than everybody else ... clearly we have not yet reached that point. So until Irving has exhausted all options to build a championship team faster, this is what we'll be doing. The current winning business model ... as stated above ... is not a good business model when your attendance takes a dive for two years. You aren't giving your fans what they pay for. Bathurst fans are not happy this year even though they won it all last year ... neither are SJ fans. The glow from winning a championship doesn't last very long. For me it lasts about as long as the off-season ... and then its back to the rink to be entertained again. My Redsox won last season ... just 4 months ago ... but if they get off to a shitty start in a few weeks I'll be pissed. The glow from that WS championship is already gone and its a new season. Irving will always run this team like a business, and I can't see him conform to what everybody else is doing and just get in line and wait for his turn to be a contender. That's just not the Irving way. He sees London doing it better than everybody else and expects the same for his team. Unfortunately our circumstances are different than London's so we can't reach that level ... so he wants his people to find another way. Its pretty difficult to fault him for wanting to do it better than everybody else. Mr. Irving has to learn we are NOT the London Knights, we don't have the same population to chose players from, so we have to be careful and build through the DRAFT, the fans will stand behind them so let's start doing it right, we see the Q winning there share of Mem cups, but they are all building through the DRAFT. |
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 14, 2019 13:32:45 GMT -4
Well I don't think that the Wildcats feel that one or two rounds of playoffs is all that is needed. I believe that RKI wants to win every year and win the Memorial Cup every year ... but he isn't willing to wait four years for it followed by a few down years. He wants to win every year and wants to have an upper echelon team every year. So he pushes his people to make it happen ... to at least shorten the cycle between winning seasons. We all know that the sure-fired way to make it happen is to stockpile high-end picks and build through the draft ... and load up when you are ready ... he knows that too. But that comes with a few years at the bottom afterward which is not good for business at all. So he pushes his people to find another way to make it happen, which so far has failed. But it is the Irving way to always demand more from their people until they are doing things better than everybody else ... clearly we have not yet reached that point. So until Irving has exhausted all options to build a championship team faster, this is what we'll be doing. The current winning business model ... as stated above ... is not a good business model when your attendance takes a dive for two years. You aren't giving your fans what they pay for. Bathurst fans are not happy this year even though they won it all last year ... neither are SJ fans. The glow from winning a championship doesn't last very long. For me it lasts about as long as the off-season ... and then its back to the rink to be entertained again. My Redsox won last season ... just 4 months ago ... but if they get off to a shitty start in a few weeks I'll be pissed. The glow from that WS championship is already gone and its a new season. Irving will always run this team like a business, and I can't see him conform to what everybody else is doing and just get in line and wait for his turn to be a contender. That's just not the Irving way. He sees London doing it better than everybody else and expects the same for his team. Unfortunately our circumstances are different than London's so we can't reach that level ... so he wants his people to find another way. Its pretty difficult to fault him for wanting to do it better than everybody else. Mr. Irving has to learn we are NOT the London Knights, we don't have the same population to chose players from, so we have to be careful and build through the DRAFT, the fans will stand behind them so let's start doing it right, we see the Q winning there share of Mem cups, but they are all building through the DRAFT. Its not the Irving way to be like everybody else and just get in line for your turn at the top. So RKI wants his people to strive to be better ... find a way to beat the typical cycle. So he asks his staff to be better and beat the system ... so far it hasn't worked. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 14, 2019 20:58:50 GMT -4
I'm pretty sure the WC attendance has never nosedived in rebuilding years. I'm sure there is a drop, but attendance was still solid, even in the worst seasons...can somebody point out where the year over year attendance numbers? No ... we never really nose-dive but we do have a drop ... but he knows that in down years he is not giving the fans what they are paying for. He doesn't like down years either and wants to come to the rink and be entertained just like anybody else. I think they would make more money from a Championship run than they lose in a rebuilding year. Usually after they go far, season tickets go up the next year anyways. |
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 15, 2019 8:02:32 GMT -4
No ... we never really nose-dive but we do have a drop ... but he knows that in down years he is not giving the fans what they are paying for. He doesn't like down years either and wants to come to the rink and be entertained just like anybody else. I think they would make more money from a Championship run than they lose in a rebuilding year. Usually after they go far, season tickets go up the next year anyways. Perhaps ... but RKI doesn't want to see that losing year ... in the standings and at the box office. |
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