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Post by jimmy on Apr 22, 2019 6:24:57 GMT -4
Neil Hodge had an article today on top 10 storylines to watch over the offseason ... some more intriguing than others, but overall an interesting article ... a few curious comments which as always leave us guessing if Hodge knows something we don't (which he often does), or mere oversight ...
Among the items discussed:
- how will they maintain or grow attendance in year 2 at the Avenir Centre?
- who will crack roster from among current protected list players ... mentions Walker, Dow, Hebert as candidates on defense; Hillier, Stammer, Rumsey and Alchorn up front. States that team is high on Walker, Stammer and Hillier, but all are considering NCAA.
- Breakout players for 2019-20 ... lists Capanelli as an option ... is he just covering all bases? Or does he expect Capanelli will be one of our OAs? Current rumours have him being traded, but who knows ...
- speculation on whether or not McKenna would be in pros next season
- confirms that Antalainen will not be back, and goes on to say Cats will pick twice at euro draft ... oversight? Or does he know something about Khovanov that we don't?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 22, 2019 8:28:47 GMT -4
I heard about anew rule, not sure if it's true, but because Khovanov has an ELC contract, the Cats can draft another Euro. I thought it was only in place for NHL 1st rounders...
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 22, 2019 9:02:51 GMT -4
There was an article last week with the headline saying Three Wildcats will play for Canada at U18. It talked about Pelletier and Spence, but no third player. Then it mentioned that Khovanov would play in the AHL playoffs for Minnesota's farm team. Its just shit reporting ... Hodge just mails it in.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 22, 2019 9:03:54 GMT -4
I heard about anew rule, not sure if it's true, but because Khovanov has an ELC contract, the Cats can draft another Euro. I thought it was only in place for NHL 1st rounders... It just makes sense for any drafted player who has signed a contract ... first round or not should not make a difference. |
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Post by jimmy on Apr 22, 2019 9:47:48 GMT -4
I heard about anew rule, not sure if it's true, but because Khovanov has an ELC contract, the Cats can draft another Euro. I thought it was only in place for NHL 1st rounders... It just makes sense for any drafted player who has signed a contract ... first round or not should not make a difference. What would make sense is if it was any player eligible to play in the AHL ... a player like Khovanov, signed contract or not, is NHL or back to junior ... whereas a player drafted out of Europe who came over for his 18 year old season, could suddenly be gone at 19 to the AHL if it strikes the fancy of his NHL team. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Apr 22, 2019 10:20:02 GMT -4
Neil Hodge had an article today on top 10 storylines to watch over the offseason ... some more intriguing than others, but overall an interesting article ... a few curious comments which as always leave us guessing if Hodge knows something we don't (which he often does), or mere oversight ... Among the items discussed: - how will they maintain or grow attendance in year 2 at the Avenir Centre? - who will crack roster from among current protected list players ... mentions Walker, Dow, Hebert as candidates on defense; Hillier, Stammer, Rumsey and Alchorn up front. States that team is high on Walker, Stammer and Hillier, but all are considering NCAA. - Breakout players for 2019-20 ... lists Capanelli as an option ... is he just covering all bases? Or does he expect Capanelli will be one of our OAs? Current rumours have him being traded, but who knows ... - speculation on whether or not McKenna would be in pros next season - confirms that Antalainen will not be back, and goes on to say Cats will pick twice at euro draft ... oversight? Or does he know something about Khovanov that we don't? I've heard from multiple sources Capannelli will be traded to Blainville at the draft. Each source has confirmed the same return - Victo's 2019 3rd round pick. That's the pick that was sent to the Armada for Anttalainen. Stephane Paquette had an article in L'Acadie-Nouvelle saying Moncton could pick twice in the Import Draft. Maybe the rules changed and it just hasn't gone public yet. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 22, 2019 10:39:33 GMT -4
It just makes sense for any drafted player who has signed a contract ... first round or not should not make a difference. What would make sense is if it was any player eligible to play in the AHL ... a player like Khovanov, signed contract or not, is NHL or back to junior ... whereas a player drafted out of Europe who came over for his 18 year old season, could suddenly be gone at 19 to the AHL if it strikes the fancy of his NHL team. I think it also depends on what kind of release the player got from his European team. If it’s a full release then they are bound to the CHL and it’s agreement, a player like Zadina was able to play AHL at 19 because he was just “on loan” to Halifax the way I understand it. I don’t seriously think Khovanov is ready for the AHL, not with his dumb penalties and off again on again work ethic…but maybe Minnesota sees it as a way to get him to grow up…or maybe he ends up in the KHL for a year… If the rule exists that they can draft two, hopefully they aim high and if they can get two good Euros, one younger and one older, I would have no issue moving Khovanov. Though a trade may also be a wake up call for him. |
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Post by jimmy on Apr 22, 2019 11:41:37 GMT -4
What would make sense is if it was any player eligible to play in the AHL ... a player like Khovanov, signed contract or not, is NHL or back to junior ... whereas a player drafted out of Europe who came over for his 18 year old season, could suddenly be gone at 19 to the AHL if it strikes the fancy of his NHL team. I think it also depends on what kind of release the player got from his European team. If it’s a full release then they are bound to the CHL and it’s agreement, a player like Zadina was able to play AHL at 19 because he was just “on loan” to Halifax the way I understand it. I don’t seriously think Khovanov is ready for the AHL, not with his dumb penalties and off again on again work ethic…but maybe Minnesota sees it as a way to get him to grow up…or maybe he ends up in the KHL for a year… If the rule exists that they can draft two, hopefully they aim high and if they can get two good Euros, one younger and one older, I would have no issue moving Khovanov. Though a trade may also be a wake up call for him. For all his flaws, Khovanov at 18 was the 2nd highest scoring euro in the league ... it is not much of a stretch to suggest that with moderate progression he could be a 90 point guy next season (of which there were six in the entire league this year). The odds of upgrading on him with our 2nd round euro pick would seem to not be great. And anyone looking to trade premium assets for him is likely in a direct line battling us for a championship next year. Unless the relationship between him and Torchetti is damaged beyond repair, or he is not coming back to the Q next season, I think we should try and work with him to bring out the best version of himself. |
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Post by lirette on Apr 22, 2019 11:49:47 GMT -4
I think it also depends on what kind of release the player got from his European team. If it’s a full release then they are bound to the CHL and it’s agreement, a player like Zadina was able to play AHL at 19 because he was just “on loan” to Halifax the way I understand it. I don’t seriously think Khovanov is ready for the AHL, not with his dumb penalties and off again on again work ethic…but maybe Minnesota sees it as a way to get him to grow up…or maybe he ends up in the KHL for a year… If the rule exists that they can draft two, hopefully they aim high and if they can get two good Euros, one younger and one older, I would have no issue moving Khovanov. Though a trade may also be a wake up call for him. For all his flaws, Khovanov at 18 was the 2nd highest scoring euro in the league ... it is not much of a stretch to suggest that with moderate progression he could be a 90 point guy next season (of which there were six in the entire league this year). The odds of upgrading on him with our 2nd round euro pick would seem to not be great. And anyone looking to trade premium assets for him is likely in a direct line battling us for a championship next year. Unless the relationship between him and Torchetti is damaged beyond repair, or he is not coming back to the Q next season, I think we should try and work with him to bring out the best version of himself. There's nothing that we've seen as fans to indicate there is any relationship issues between Torchetti and Khovanov. Despite his discipline issues he did not see much in terms of lost ice time throughout the playoffs. The guy is a top 5 passer in the league, hopefully Minnesota is watching him closely and can help cleanup some of his dirty plays. His Instagram story had a photo of the Avenir Centre with a message of "see you soon". I think if they intend to go for it next year he's a key piece to the puzzle. |
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Post by Briwhel on Apr 22, 2019 12:30:33 GMT -4
I heard about anew rule, not sure if it's true, but because Khovanov has an ELC contract, the Cats can draft another Euro. I thought it was only in place for NHL 1st rounders... This rule came into effect last year. It is how Saint John was able to draft two Euros after trading only Salda (because Safin was already signed by Edmonton by the CHL Import draft). |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 22, 2019 12:57:40 GMT -4
I think it also depends on what kind of release the player got from his European team. If it’s a full release then they are bound to the CHL and it’s agreement, a player like Zadina was able to play AHL at 19 because he was just “on loan” to Halifax the way I understand it. I don’t seriously think Khovanov is ready for the AHL, not with his dumb penalties and off again on again work ethic…but maybe Minnesota sees it as a way to get him to grow up…or maybe he ends up in the KHL for a year… If the rule exists that they can draft two, hopefully they aim high and if they can get two good Euros, one younger and one older, I would have no issue moving Khovanov. Though a trade may also be a wake up call for him. For all his flaws, Khovanov at 18 was the 2nd highest scoring euro in the league ... it is not much of a stretch to suggest that with moderate progression he could be a 90 point guy next season (of which there were six in the entire league this year). The odds of upgrading on him with our 2nd round euro pick would seem to not be great. And anyone looking to trade premium assets for him is likely in a direct line battling us for a championship next year. Unless the relationship between him and Torchetti is damaged beyond repair, or he is not coming back to the Q next season, I think we should try and work with him to bring out the best version of himself. I agree that it would be hard to end up with a better player, just find it frustrating that he takes sooo many dumb penalties and Rumble & Torchetti have not shown a willingness to try and curb the behavior with a benching. |
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 22, 2019 13:02:49 GMT -4
I heard about anew rule, not sure if it's true, but because Khovanov has an ELC contract, the Cats can draft another Euro. I thought it was only in place for NHL 1st rounders... This rule came into effect last year. It is how Saint John was able to draft two Euros after trading only Salda (because Safin was already signed by Edmonton by the CHL Import draft). Yup ... Safin was a 4th round NHL pick. Seadogs selected both Cajkovic and Prikryl in the 2018 Import draft ... but had to deal Safin once he showed up after being re-assigned by Edmonton. Safin had also signed a contract with Edmonton late in the 2017/2018 season ... so the circumstances are identical. So if we were keeping Khovanov after he was re-assigned by Minnesota in Sept/Oct 2019, we'd have to waive one of the new imports since neither would be trade eligible. |
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Post by Briwhel on Apr 22, 2019 13:04:38 GMT -4
This rule came into effect last year. It is how Saint John was able to draft two Euros after trading only Salda (because Safin was already signed by Edmonton by the CHL Import draft). Yup ... Safin was a 4th round NHL pick. Seadogs selected both Cajkovic and Prikryl in the 2018 Import draft ... but had to deal Safin once he showed up after being re-assigned by Edmonton. Safin had also signed a contract with Edmonton late in the 2017/2018 season ... so the circumstances are identical. So if we were keeping Khovanov after he was re-assigned by Minnesota in Sept/Oct 2019, we'd have to waive one of the new imports since neither would be trade eligible. The rules on that changed too. First year Euros are trade eligible now (which is how Bathurst was able to acquire Turan instead of having to waiver claim him). OTOH, I don't know if they are from day one of camp or if they become eligible at Christmas. |
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 22, 2019 13:05:03 GMT -4
For all his flaws, Khovanov at 18 was the 2nd highest scoring euro in the league ... it is not much of a stretch to suggest that with moderate progression he could be a 90 point guy next season (of which there were six in the entire league this year). The odds of upgrading on him with our 2nd round euro pick would seem to not be great. And anyone looking to trade premium assets for him is likely in a direct line battling us for a championship next year. Unless the relationship between him and Torchetti is damaged beyond repair, or he is not coming back to the Q next season, I think we should try and work with him to bring out the best version of himself. I agree that it would be hard to end up with a better player, just find it frustrating that he takes sooo many dumb penalties and Rumble & Torchetti have not shown a willingness to try and curb the behavior with a benching. I seem to recall Rumble benching him a few times ... but he was never a healthy scratch. |
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 22, 2019 13:09:19 GMT -4
Yup ... Safin was a 4th round NHL pick. Seadogs selected both Cajkovic and Prikryl in the 2018 Import draft ... but had to deal Safin once he showed up after being re-assigned by Edmonton. Safin had also signed a contract with Edmonton late in the 2017/2018 season ... so the circumstances are identical. So if we were keeping Khovanov after he was re-assigned by Minnesota in Sept/Oct 2019, we'd have to waive one of the new imports since neither would be trade eligible. The rules on that changed too. First year Euros are trade eligible now (which is how Bathurst was able to acquire Turan instead of having to waiver claim him). OTOH, I don't know if they are from day one of camp or if they become eligible at Christmas. This new information (new to me) makes it even more odd that we passed on our first round Import pick in 2018. Khovanov was drafted (but not signed) and so it would seem that this rule comes into play as far back as after the 2018 NHL draft, and before the 2018 Import draft. |
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