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Post by hockeyfanatic on Feb 18, 2020 10:24:13 GMT -4
Looks like the Memorial Cup Host Team is having a bad season a 0.481 winning pct 148 GF and 179 GA and they are 3-6-1 in their last 10 ! Hope they can turn it around for the playoffs or it could be embarrassing for the league. I still don't like the new selection process of announcing the host a full year ahead ( I know it gives the team lots of time ) . The OHL used to allow the top 4 teams in each conference before the Christmas break, to bid if they choose to do so.
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Post by SteveUL on Feb 19, 2020 12:04:50 GMT -4
Looks like the Memorial Cup Host Team is having a bad season a 0.481 winning pct 148 GF and 179 GA and they are 3-6-1 in their last 10 ! Hope they can turn it around for the playoffs or it could be embarrassing for the league. I still don't like the new selection process of announcing the host a full year ahead ( I know it gives the team lots of time ) . The OHL used to allow the top 4 teams in each conference before the Christmas break, to bid if they choose to do so. It was a much smaller event back when that was allowed. The event has grown now to something that basically takes a year to organize. But unfortunately the event has grown to something that most markets can't handle as they need the revenue from ticket sales, and can't get it in a sub 5000 rink ... or so they say. |
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Post by Reesor on Feb 19, 2020 13:03:25 GMT -4
Many people said Halifax didn't do enough at the deadline last year... even though they made moves in the summer, and eventually traded all of the 1st round picks available to be traded, and most of the 2nd and 3rd rounders. It was the Moose not giving up futures in deals when they had so many to give up that made people wonder if they'd done enough. Ultimately Rouyn-Noranda did enough and were the rightful champs, and ultimately Halifax avoided embarrassing themselves by beating Quebec, and then winning 14 playoff games and two Memorial Cup games. Even though Halifax didn't win, their year was successful.
By the sounds of it, it doesn't look like Kelowna did much at all to improve their team for the Memorial Cup. Trades aren't published on the WHL site like they are the Q site, so if anyone as a list of deals that were made, it'd be great to see. There is an issue if a team wins a bid to host the Memorial Cup, and then straight up doesn't try to win it. The thing is, even a .500 team can win the Memorial Cup. They just have to win 1 regulation game, and then run the table in the playoff round. Not impossible. In saying that, part of the winning bid criteria is the strength of the team. If the team just isn't putting it together, and the bid committee feels the team didn't do enough to be competitive in the Memorial Cup they're hosting, could they keep hosting duties but put the WHL finalists in the tournament instead? It'll be an interesting situation to follow.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Feb 19, 2020 13:15:31 GMT -4
By the sounds of it, it doesn't look like Kelowna did much at all to improve their team for the Memorial Cup. Trades aren't published on the WHL site like they are the Q site, so if anyone as a list of deals that were made, it'd be great to see. I beg to differ. WHL trades 2019-2020(Hockey Ops > WHL Transactions) |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 19, 2020 13:16:50 GMT -4
Looks like the Memorial Cup Host Team is having a bad season a 0.481 winning pct 148 GF and 179 GA and they are 3-6-1 in their last 10 ! Hope they can turn it around for the playoffs or it could be embarrassing for the league. I still don't like the new selection process of announcing the host a full year ahead ( I know it gives the team lots of time ) . The OHL used to allow the top 4 teams in each conference before the Christmas break, to bid if they choose to do so. It was a much smaller event back when that was allowed. The event has grown now to something that basically takes a year to organize. But unfortunately the event has grown to something that most markets can't handle as they need the revenue from ticket sales, and can't get it in a sub 5000 rink ... or so they say. Does it take a year to organize though? Assuming you have the region nailed down, and building availability, most of the stuff they do is portable and can happen in any city. I think the biggest obstacle is more of trying to accommodate people who have already planned to go and bought tickets, hotels, etc since it's all done a year out. I think a city can host the tournament fine on 4-5 months notice if they did a bidding process among the top teams to try and avoid a non-playoff team hosting. And if you don't have a big enough rink among all those teams maybe its time to re-evaluate whether the national championship is about declaring the best champion or making the most money. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Feb 19, 2020 13:23:26 GMT -4
hosts have been removed before but the Cup is played for in the same city.
Drummondville replaced the hosts in both 88 and 91. Runner up replaces host city historically in that case.
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Post by Reesor on Feb 19, 2020 13:41:16 GMT -4
By the sounds of it, it doesn't look like Kelowna did much at all to improve their team for the Memorial Cup. Trades aren't published on the WHL site like they are the Q site, so if anyone as a list of deals that were made, it'd be great to see. I beg to differ. WHL trades 2019-2020(Hockey Ops > WHL Transactions) I knew I could count on you.  Their biggest move was in May when they got three players for a player, two 1sts and a 2nd. Nothing major at the trade deadline except a trade for 20yo Matthew Wedman who is around a point per game. Looks like their biggest move will be getting Nolan Foote healthy. He's only played 27 games this year (33 points) |
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Post by SteveUL on Feb 19, 2020 14:35:41 GMT -4
It was a much smaller event back when that was allowed. The event has grown now to something that basically takes a year to organize. But unfortunately the event has grown to something that most markets can't handle as they need the revenue from ticket sales, and can't get it in a sub 5000 rink ... or so they say. Does it take a year to organize though? Assuming you have the region nailed down, and building availability, most of the stuff they do is portable and can happen in any city. I think the biggest obstacle is more of trying to accommodate people who have already planned to go and bought tickets, hotels, etc since it's all done a year out. I think a city can host the tournament fine on 4-5 months notice if they did a bidding process among the top teams to try and avoid a non-playoff team hosting. And if you don't have a big enough rink among all those teams maybe its time to re-evaluate whether the national championship is about declaring the best champion or making the most money. I don't know the answer to that but it typically takes 100 volunteers and an organizing committee. I think a year gives you lots of time to get everything you want in there. Moncton built two new dressing rooms in the run up to this, but that is probably not needed. Four to Five months would mean it gets awarded in December for a May event. That will still get the successful team the opportunity to go all in with their team at the trade period. But its almost become too expensive for the fans. After you pay $300 (+/-) for a playoff seat you then have to dish out typically $500 for Mem Cup seat, and multiply that by however many seats you have. If you are travelling to see your team play, then you have airfare and about 10 days in a hotel (vacation days), plus meals and entertainment, maybe a rental car if you want to enjoy beautiful BC in Spring. Personally, I'd rather spend that money to lay on a beach in Cuba and have somebody bring me drinks all day. I find it just as easy to watch the games on TV as the coverage is excellent ... and free. Honestly I'd like to see the whole thing scaled back such that it wasn't such a huge cost. |
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Post by Reesor on Feb 19, 2020 14:50:41 GMT -4
Does it take a year to organize though? Assuming you have the region nailed down, and building availability, most of the stuff they do is portable and can happen in any city. I think the biggest obstacle is more of trying to accommodate people who have already planned to go and bought tickets, hotels, etc since it's all done a year out. I think a city can host the tournament fine on 4-5 months notice if they did a bidding process among the top teams to try and avoid a non-playoff team hosting. And if you don't have a big enough rink among all those teams maybe its time to re-evaluate whether the national championship is about declaring the best champion or making the most money. I don't know the answer to that but it typically takes 100 volunteers and an organizing committee. I think a year gives you lots of time to get everything you want in there. Moncton built two new dressing rooms in the run up to this, but that is probably not needed. Four to Five months would mean it gets awarded in December for a May event. That will still get the successful team the opportunity to go all in with their team at the trade period. But its almost become too expensive for the fans. After you pay $300 (+/-) for a playoff seat you then have to dish out typically $500 for Mem Cup seat, and multiply that by however many seats you have. If you are travelling to see your team play, then you have airfare and about 10 days in a hotel (vacation days), plus meals and entertainment, maybe a rental car if you want to enjoy beautiful BC in Spring. Personally, I'd rather spend that money to lay on a beach in Cuba and have somebody bring me drinks all day. I find it just as easy to watch the games on TV as the coverage is excellent ... and free. Honestly I'd like to see the whole thing scaled back such that it wasn't such a huge cost. Halifax's average attendance in the playoffs was 8026, which is probably about 1000-1500 less than it should've been. They took a hit in the Q playoffs because the Memorial Cup took a lot of people's disposable income. So that hit should be factored into whether or not a Memorial Cup is a success. Halifax also lowered their ticket package prices significantly for their event. Those prices are back up again in Kelowna. It happened with the World Jrs, and it's happening again for the Memorial Cup. The tournament is outgrowing small and even some medium markets, and is getting pretty expensive for markets that have under 10,000 seat arenas. Once junior hockey started making real money, it stopped being for the smaller communities. Junior hockey wouldn't exist if it wasn't for those smaller communities, and it's a shame they can't have a fair crack at junior events. The Canada/Russia Challenge is nice, but it isn't close to the same level. |
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Post by lirette on Feb 19, 2020 16:55:20 GMT -4
Kelowna fired Adam Foote today
Awkward for Nolan but they had to do something.
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Post by stink1 on Feb 22, 2020 0:03:41 GMT -4
HAHA all i can say is you wont see Moncton there. Sherbrooke going to the show!!
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Post by hockeylaw on Feb 22, 2020 0:08:49 GMT -4
HAHA all i can say is you wont see Moncton there. Sherbrooke going to the show!! You just STINK !!! |
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