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Post by Judas In My Mind on May 13, 2022 7:37:49 GMT -4
LOL. This my friends is why you cannot purchase a ham sandwich at TD Station. So long as the Sea Dogs play out of there, there is already enough choking going around. They have 3 Q championships, a Memorial Cup win, and I think one year where they lost the final all in the last 12 years. Wouldn't mind if Charlottetown choked like that. And pretty much all of that success came in a 3 year span while being led by 2 guys who are no longer here. My comment was harsh but this team was doomed. I don't care how hot they got in the second half. They are not a style of team that does well come playoff time where everything is amped up several notches in intensity. Rimouski probably did them a favor really because at least this way they were eliminated in a competitive series that went right down to the final second. Had they advanced I believe Charlottetown sweeps them out of existence. |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on May 13, 2022 7:40:11 GMT -4
SJ has some things going for them in the Memorial Cup though. Rest. Hungrier. Will not be much video on them in big moments for the other league winners to exploit. And playing a different team every night is in the Dogs wheelhouse. They weren't built to beat one team 4 times in a series. That is where team builders get confused. And the CHL format sort of asks you to build a playoff team and a tournament team. They are two different things. A hot Hurtibise can carry them in a week tournament if they go back to him. I would.
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Post by pinkbeaver on May 13, 2022 7:40:55 GMT -4
Should have started the MacDonald line best line all night get a couple hits set the tone Dufour and Lawrence are too soft outworked all night. Watch what Dufour does at the 19:41 mark in OT. tells you all you need to know about him as a player. MacDonald, Lessard, Bezeau kept it simple and played really well. Agree they were the best line. Lawrence may be a little soft, but i would say he was working hard out there and contributing in both ends active stick on the backcheck and in the D zone. won 11 straight face offs at 1 point. Rimouski did a good job taking the middle of the ice away and SJ was unwilling/not built to chip pucks deep. Thought Desroches was their best defenceman. kept it simple and plays smart. One positive for SJ, Can't see Poirier playing in the AHL next year. Should be back for a 20 YO season. |
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Post by jimmy on May 13, 2022 9:18:39 GMT -4
Other players have come and gone, and even coaches, but to me, from the outside, there is a core group of Lawrence, Burns, Reynolds, Poirier, Villeneuve and Desroches who have been together for years and whose teams have consistently underachieved. That can’t be a coincidence.
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Post by scotiahockey on May 13, 2022 9:19:20 GMT -4
Should have started the MacDonald line best line all night get a couple hits set the tone Dufour and Lawrence are too soft outworked all night. Watch what Dufour does at the 19:41 mark in OT. tells you all you need to know about him as a player. MacDonald, Lessard, Bezeau kept it simple and played really well. Agree they were the best line. Lawrence may be a little soft, but i would say he was working hard out there and contributing in both ends active stick on the backcheck and in the D zone. won 11 straight face offs at 1 point. Rimouski did a good job taking the middle of the ice away and SJ was unwilling/not built to chip pucks deep. Thought Desroches was their best defenceman. kept it simple and plays smart. One positive for SJ, Can't see Poirier playing in the AHL next year. Should be back for a 20 YO season. A signed 3rd round pick, I’d be shocked if Poirier is back in the Q. His deficiencies are ones the Flames will want to be working with him personally on because it’s clear after 4 years in Saint John, they’re either incapable of teaching or he’s unwilling to learn. No matter what happens at the Memorial Cup though, this is a failed season. They can go in through the backdoor and win but it’s a cheapened Memorial Cup if you didn’t actually earn your way in. This core never developed as team and if you look at the “big guns” that were supposed to be the ones leading this thing, they never really developed into what was projected for them. |
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Post by countryboy on May 13, 2022 9:33:14 GMT -4
Lots of Dwyer talk in this thread. I'll chime in on that too, if I get a chance. I've seen lots of Gordie's work over his time in the Q.
But someone mentioned earlier in the thread how Shawinigan brought in Bob Hartley in 2012 to consult on their Memorial Cup run.
Eric Veilleux was the head coach. The Sags were host but went out in round 2. In their time off to prepare for the tournament they brought in Bob Hartley and his experience to contribute to their tournament preparation.
Gerogie likes to do things differently. Do we see the Sea Dogs doing something similar? The first name I thought of was David Cameron (there was lots of talk that they were majorly after him to come has head coach last summer). But, I remembered that he coached the 67s this season?
What about Gardiner? Teams have been itching to get him to join their staff for years but high gig at UNB is too good to consider giving up to go to major junior where he's an owner's decision away from getting fired.
But would he have interest in a six week stint where he consults with the Sea Dogs? It's probably the best time of year for him to even consider such an offer. The man works hard 12 months of the year. He's on PEI all the time scouting and recruiting potential players for the V Reds. I've seen him at Islanders games within three days of the conclusion of the University season. So I think his work is a 12 month full time job. But could the Sea Dogs make an offer that works an bring him in the fold short term?
Are there other names out there who'd have something to add to help the team?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 10:22:51 GMT -4
Observations:
SJ 3 RIM 4 (OT)
Index: SJ 169; RIM 175.
I honestly thought that it was a hard fought game - back and forth - but the Oceanic tied it up on a lucky bounce goal to make it 3-3, and then drove the net in OT when they got a chance - with two players in the blue paint when they banged in the winner with an ugly goal.
If anything, there was no desperation on the part of the Sea Dogs - and it's the same every year with every host team for the various championships. Teams claim it doesn't affect them (knowing they are in as hosts) - but it definitely plays a part. JMO.
SOG: SJ 24; RIM 24.
That isn't a desperation number of shots by a team as offensively gifted as the Sea Dogs.
Scoring Chances (Home Plate): SJ 15; RIM 24.
I'll say it again - full credit to the Oceanic on their work ethic. It didn't matter if they were ahead - trailing - or tied on the scoreboard - they had a 60 minute sustained work ethic.
Faceoff Wins: SJ 24; RIM 33.
The Oceanic wingers were out and out nasty lining up for faceoffs with the stick whacks and so on - but the officials rarely warned anybody and allowed it. I'm not blaming the officials - but full credit to the Oceanic. They won draws because their wingers battled to gain possession off the draws.
Puck Battles Won: SJ 93; RIM 91.
Hits: SJ 14; RIM 14.
SBL: SJ 16; RIM 14.
Everything is fairly even in the three categories above. Full marks to the Oceanic.
O Zone Puck Possession: SJ 13:02; RIM 8:43.
That's a sizeable difference - but the SOG don't reflect it. The Oceanic forwards were quick on the Sea Dogs' at the blueline not allowing them to move the puck around for high percentage shots the way they like to do.
The Sea Dogs couldn't get the 5 man clockwise rotation going - and there's work to be done with video preparation by the Sea Dogs' coaching staff.
I don't want to come across the wrong way here like I think I'm smarter than anybody else - I'm not. I only make a few comments because people seem to enjoy them. It has crossed my mind that the success of the Sea Dogs down the stretch in the regular season might have taken away from working on things in practice that they didn't think were broken - like the need to practice jamming the net for dirty goals. I know better than to get into technicalities and I'm not a coach. Just saying is all.
For the Sea Dogs coaches to sit back and read this - it must sound like criticism - but it isn't meant that way.
Player Index SJ: 183 Poirier; 181 Picard.
I thought that Picard played his guts out, and I almost posted on the board a few days ago asking if there was a chance that Poirier might be back in the league and a possibility to end up in Cape Breton as one of those 20's they intend to land - plus draft the younger brother - but I didn't want to look stupid. That's the honest truth. Now I'm intrigued by the possibility.
Player Index RIM: 213 Mathis Gauthier; 198 Alex Gaudio.
Gauthier - Gaudio - Dumoulin - those names sure pop up a lot every game.
TOI SJ: D Villeneuve 27:20; F Lawrence 22:30.
TOI RIM: D Gauthier 29:30; F Gaudio 20:52.
+/-: SJ +2 Poirier; RIM +3 Gauthier.
SOG: SJ 4 Dufour; RIM 5 Dumoulin.
Dangerous Scoring Chances: SJ 3 Trenholm; RIM 5 Dumoulin.
Trenholm didn't need to be coached to go to the net looking for dirty goals when nothing else was working - but there I go again with my own thought process - and apologies for that. I'm not a coach or a video coach - I'm a fan.
Faceoffs: SJ 12/24 Lawrence; RIM 9/13 Luka Verreault.
Most faceoff wins are decided by which team gets to the loose puck first - and not so much by what the faceoff man actually does with puck placement.
Hits: SJ 3 Cam MacDonald; RIM 4 Gauthier.
SBL: SJ 3 Villeneuve and Sevigny; RIM 3 Dumoulin.
Takeaways: SJ 15 Villeneuve; RIM 10 Gauthier.
3 STARS:
1. Gaudio
2. Dumoulin
3. Hurtubise
It's kind of neat when you see a team being eliminated from the playoffs - but not having players automatically have their seasons ended.
I've always thought that the Sea Dogs' best chances to win the Memorial Cup were to go in well rested and healthy and not as President Cup champions - and my posting history would show that. I didn't think it would happen this early to be eliminated - but now the real work begins for the Sea Dogs' staff.
Congratulations to the Rimouski Oceanic for proving that hockey games are not won on paper.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 13, 2022 12:23:55 GMT -4
In 2017's run to the final SJ had 5800+ for the 2 games in the final. There were 9 home games during that run.
This memorial cup season sees 3 playoff home games for 7019 total paying fans. The Memorial Cup itself should see nice crowds...but business wise losing this early has to be seen as a massive blow for ownership after all those crowds around 1000-1400 the last 2 seasons. They had to be expecting at least 2 more rounds and crowds growing to 3500-4000+ per game as the games became more important.
There's no way anyone is waking up confident in their positions today in SJ.
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Post by j3e4 on May 13, 2022 12:24:13 GMT -4
Aside from the goalies and the 3rd line, one guy that showed up in this series was Kuznetsov. Missed game 1 due to being sick. Only 2 assists in 4 games which is about what you'd expect from him in terms of offence but he was a plus 4 in a series in which his team lost. That plus he was a big part of the PK which was also a rare bright spot in this series. If either team's PP had clicked this series might have been over in 3 games.
There's likely zero chance of this happening at this point but now that we've seen how some guys perform during he post-season pressure, I'd like to see them shake up the captains. I'd go with:
Kuznetsov (C)
Desroches (A)
MacDonald (A)
Ansons (A)
Wouldn't be opposed to keeping D'aoust and Bezeau in the mix too. Maybe rotate some of the As.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on May 13, 2022 23:42:57 GMT -4
In 2017's run to the final SJ had 5800+ for the 2 games in the final. There were 9 home games during that run. This memorial cup season sees 3 playoff home games for 7019 total paying fans. The Memorial Cup itself should see nice crowds...but business wise losing this early has to be seen as a massive blow for ownership after all those crowds around 1000-1400 the last 2 seasons. They had to be expecting at least 2 more rounds and crowds growing to 3500-4000+ per game as the games became more important. There's no way anyone is waking up confident in their positions today in SJ. Makes u wonder if you have watched attendance the last couple months as the Sea Dogs went on their roll.... very disappointing crowd for their game 5 but I sort of notice a lethargy with SJ fans who all say how much they enjoyed 2010 2011 2012 and have been disenchanted by organization ever since. Many of the fans that have been showing up have come along since 2016-17 and many of the ones stuck in 2011 have stayed on sidelines. Bathurst was full for their game 5. And their team is going to move away but the Titan comeback inspired them (this week anyway). Great to see that place full for the game 5. I think SJ has to take a different approach in 2022-23 and beyond post Memorial Cup to excite community about QMJHL again. |
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Post by nbdude on May 14, 2022 8:46:59 GMT -4
I think SJ has to take a different approach in 2022-23 and beyond post Memorial Cup to excite community about QMJHL again. I think your right, for one thing, stop trying to build a team around a core of guys in one draft year.... with respect to this week, unfortunately, our coaching staff didn't seem to have an answer for the simple trap Rimouski threw at us. I also understand there was a virus running thru the team last week which certainly didn't help matters much. I do believe they can get prepared now and make a good showing at the Mem Cup, and if they do, this play off loss will be long forgotten...I have seen pretty much every home game for the last 2 years and watched this team get better. At Christmas, we all knew they had to make a lot of changes to show up at the Mem cup competitively, and I honestly believe they made those changes...I think that maybe be a good idea some one mentioned above, to get an "advisor" into the club right now to provide fresh insight and help prepare the team because really, I have noticed mistake after mistake by the couching staff this year, even when we were winning in Feb/March/April, .......the line up match ups against opposition often frustrated me as being illogical....for instance playing a speed/skill line (as opposed hard on the puck players) in the last min to protect a 1 goal lead, little things like that.....but alas, I have been going to the Sea Dogs since day 1 and will continue to support them no matter what..... |
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Post by tim08 on May 15, 2022 10:41:41 GMT -4
I really think cam MacDonald stepped up his game and I thought was the best seadog in the series. I felt he would have a breakout year and thought he might score 30. Snakebitten the first half lots of posts. Always came too play never took a shift off should have been given pp time big body in front of the net. I hope he wasn't a future for one the trades at the deadline. Should get a nice return next xmas if he wasn't.
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Post by bobbybigwheel on May 15, 2022 13:06:13 GMT -4
I’ve stayed quiet , I’ve read people referred to “armchair coaches or gms” if they are pissed off and expected more out of this team.
But anyone of us could have done as good as a job as Dwyer Georgie or Stella..
Pro tip- start fuking drafting kids who wanna play hockey anywhere not these damn entitled kids who want to control there own destiny. Who are guaranteed a spot before earning it.
To the TG lovers out there , what positive has he done for our organization? He said 5yrs ago that we were going to have a 3year run where we would contend we haven’t had 6months of great hockey, our cupboards are absolutely bare ( yes I was happy with the moves he made at Xmas but still didn’t address the real need) the I’m to fuking cool to work hard attitude.
We’ve had 3 different coaches in 4 yrs take a hint it’s not the coaching. It’s the CULTURE.
I have every right to criticize and say I could have done a better job. I spend thousands every year supporting this team and being on board with the rebuild I understand the game and the process . What I don’t accept is getting outworked and loosing to a team with more HEART and PASSION.
I don’t give a fiddlers puck that we have another shot at the men cup, let’s go in the LOSER, being bashed as potentially one of the worst hosts in mem cup history . The real grind is winning the league any team can show up for a tournament.
This whole coaching scouting an management need to be fired. If they’re not gone by next year they’ll have lost another season ticket holder ( I’ve had 3 for the past 5years) and 1 for all the years prior, Let’s be honest they can’t afford to loose anyone of us . McCain needs to start listening to the fans and starting caring about our team again.
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Post by tim08 on May 15, 2022 20:09:24 GMT -4
Nice post couldn't agree more
Gordie Dwyer is a brutal coach, we had last change but Sevigny played against their top line all night he showed in the first period he doesn't have the speed. The top two lines got hemmed in our own zone the first too periods and our bottom six took the play to them but Dwyer gave them all the ice time and pp in the third period. Not prepared couldn't or wouldn't adapt.
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