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Post by pinkbeaver on Jun 21, 2022 8:01:25 GMT -4
Everything about the Seadogs was better last night. The team last night would have blown out Rimouski 3 straight. I can't believe the impact Gardiner has made. The systems he has implemented look great. Team looks way better navigating the neutral zone, bot with and without the puck.
Credit to the players for their buy in and hard work to make huge changes to be successful. only 1 game, but last night proves they are capable of winning it all.
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Post by Score on Jun 21, 2022 8:01:50 GMT -4
I hope the event is a huge success but I also hope the Sea Dogs don’t win it all. If you win the Memorial Cup but didn’t win your league, it’s a cheapened “title”. The playoffs are what matters. You earn 16 wins (not this season) to call yourself the Champs and play for a Memorial Cup in a tournament format where the best team doesn’t always win. I agree. I want a Q team to win, obviously, but I hope that team is Shawinigan. |
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Post by frogmorton2 on Jun 21, 2022 8:16:17 GMT -4
Everything about the Seadogs was better last night. The team last night would have blown out Rimouski 3 straight. I can't believe the impact Gardiner has made. The systems he has implemented look great. Team looks way better navigating the neutral zone, bot with and without the puck. Credit to the players for their buy in and hard work to make huge changes to be successful. only 1 game, but last night proves they are capable of winning it all. You could tell he got through to players like Burns and Dufor who were skating hard, fast and finishing checks. |
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Post by frogmorton2 on Jun 21, 2022 8:18:04 GMT -4
If the tv is any indication, it looks like they would have trouble giving away tickets. I'd say about 85% full? The few spots of lower bowl seats empty on TV are due to people standing at the railing on the concourse. The final game probably has 200 tickets or less left. Games that are not sea dogs are probably going to be 60%. |
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Post by briansjnb on Jun 21, 2022 8:38:16 GMT -4
Last night's game was 95% sold out with less than 250-300 tickets available in the afternoon. There's about 950 left for tonight.
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Post by j3e4 on Jun 21, 2022 8:40:36 GMT -4
Thank you for proving my point.  I made no mention of the jersey. But to be more clear, my comment was in reference to the entire uniform, pants included. I get there's blue in the flag, but where's the silver come from XD? It was obviously just an oversight. I actually really liked the jersey in general, I just wish they had black pant shells to complete the look. Just an oversight that they left in a colour that appears on he NB flag when the rest of their uniforms were dominated by colors that also appear on the NB flag? I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. And to be clear, I'm not suggesting this fact (that there is blue on the NB flag) makes the uniform any more visually appealing. Maybe there was a better way to incorporate all of the colours. People can think whatever they want about them. I personally don't care much about these uniforms either way because I'd rather they just stick with the regular ones, but get that it's tradition. I'm only suggesting that there is a reason that there was some blue in it. But like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one which is fine. |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jun 21, 2022 9:55:28 GMT -4
Last night's game was 95% sold out with less than 250-300 tickets available in the afternoon. There's about 950 left for tonight. Good thing that the layout of TD Station the Kia car behind the glass doesn't take spot of any seats. 😀 |
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Post by lirette on Jun 21, 2022 11:00:23 GMT -4
Last night's game was 95% sold out with less than 250-300 tickets available in the afternoon. There's about 950 left for tonight. I'm curious to see how many Shawinigan fans travel down. What an incredible fanbase they have. |
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Post by L'il Boy on Jun 21, 2022 11:04:07 GMT -4
I hope the event is a huge success but I also hope the Sea Dogs don’t win it all. If you win the Memorial Cup but didn’t win your league, it’s a cheapened “title”. The playoffs are what matters. You earn 16 wins (not this season) to call yourself the Champs and play for a Memorial Cup in a tournament format where the best team doesn’t always win. As a rule I don't consider it cheapened most of the time. Sometimes these leagues have 3 or 4 really good teams on their playoffs (Like WHL had this year). While this wasn't the case this year for SJ since they lost to Rimouski, but what if they had lost to Quebec?? Would it be a cheapened title if they went on to win as the host? 2006 the Quebec Remparts won the cup as the Q representative even though they lost the league title to host Moncton. They didn't earn their way in completely (fewer than 16 wins).2000 Halifax lost in 2nd Round to a stacked Rimouski team that had Brad Richards, Thatcher Bell etc that went on to dominate the Memorial Cup. It was one of the strongest Q champions ever. Unfortunate to have to play them early in the playoffs, but sometimes the host meet the best team on the way like that. The 2013 Halifax Mooseheads lost one game at the 2013 Memorial Cup. One of 9 losses all season. To the host Saskatoon who also were 2nd round losers in WHL Playoffs. They are full marks for stopping the Moose since none of the teams that earned their way could dent them. *and in 2022 the Q Champs didn't need 16 wins. Shawinigan only needed 13 wins. It was surely an easier road this year in the Q. Is it ideal? No. Quebec lost to Moncton in the finals in 6 games, 4 of which went to OT. So I'd say there win was more earned than Shawinigan in 2012 and Saint John if they win this year. The fact that Shawinigan only had to win 13 games to get to the tournament this year is not their fault.....that was the same for all Q teams. Blame that on the Q brass. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but Saint John hadn't played in 39 days. The other 3 teams are battered and bruised, with little rest before the tournament started. The Sea Dogs are rested and healthy. Is that fair to the other teams that scratch and claw their way through their league to get there? If Saint John had lost to Charlottetown in the 2nd round, then that's a different story altogether, IMO. Rimouski weren't contenders....they finished 23 points behind Saint John. There's no easy answer, although didn't Drummondville get kicked out of the Memorial Cup as hosts because they weren't good enough? Not saying that's the case here, but, in my own personal opinion, winning your league would seem to be more of an accomplishment than winning a 4 team tournament where you only play each team once in a round robin format. I'd rather see a double round robin instead of a single round robin for this tournament.
I'm not arguing either way; someone has to host, and Saint John were a worthy choice as host. But I don't know why anyone would consider them to be the underdog in this tournament. If anything, because they haven't played in so long and are well rested and healthy, I consider them the favourites.
Edit: It was the Beauport Harfangs that were original hosts of the Memorial Cup in 1991. Drummondville took their place.
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Post by Citris on Jun 21, 2022 11:08:08 GMT -4
Just an oversight that they left in a colour that appears on he NB flag when the rest of their uniforms were dominated by colors that also appear on the NB flag? I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. And to be clear, I'm not suggesting this fact (that there is blue on the NB flag) makes the uniform any more visually appealing. Maybe there was a better way to incorporate all of the colours. People can think whatever they want about them. I personally don't care much about these uniforms either way because I'd rather they just stick with the regular ones, but get that it's tradition. I'm only suggesting that there is a reason that there was some blue in it. But like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one which is fine. As I said, Silver does not appear on the NB flag. |
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Post by L'il Boy on Jun 21, 2022 11:14:25 GMT -4
If you don’t win your way there and become the double champ when you win the Memorial Cup, then it’s absolutely cheapened. It doesn’t take away the fact that the host teams are still good, can win games and win the Memorial Cup but it doesn’t hold anywhere near as much value or prestige if you have to go in the back door to do it. You can call it unfortunate to lose in round 1 but that just means you aren’t good enough to win the league. You have to have a host team but there’s more respect when you get in because you actually earned it, not just because you won a bid and bowed out early. I think any of the teams that go to the finals or even some that lose in the playoffs before the finals can win the Memorial Cup, it’s a 3 game round robin where the best teams don’t always win and honestly, in a 1 game playoff anything can happen. It really doesn’t prove anything. It doesn’t mean the best teams winning but when you win the Memorial Cup and not your league, you can’t even say you’re the best team in your own league when we know a 7 game series holds more weight then a 1 game playoff, so how could you turn around and then call yourself the “best” team in the CHL? It's not ideal. FOR the purists... You just outlined the same problem that March Madness presents with 68 teams. Some years you win a national title and not your league title. Any sport with wildcards has that. Tournament format generally have that problem. It happens in golf (invites) and curling (wildcards) too. Memorial cup is a national championship. It isn't a league playoff. And it also skews the host priviledge to a few cities that qualify economically and its only a small handful of places. So a city qualifies to host not really the team.Do you think that Saint John bids for the tournament if their team is going to be crap? I highly doubt any major market that can host will bid if their team was the shits....so while it may be awarded to a city, it's the Sea Dogs organization that makes the bid, with he blessing of the city. |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jun 21, 2022 11:25:30 GMT -4
As a rule I don't consider it cheapened most of the time. Sometimes these leagues have 3 or 4 really good teams on their playoffs (Like WHL had this year). While this wasn't the case this year for SJ since they lost to Rimouski, but what if they had lost to Quebec?? Would it be a cheapened title if they went on to win as the host? 2006 the Quebec Remparts won the cup as the Q representative even though they lost the league title to host Moncton. They didn't earn their way in completely (fewer than 16 wins).2000 Halifax lost in 2nd Round to a stacked Rimouski team that had Brad Richards, Thatcher Bell etc that went on to dominate the Memorial Cup. It was one of the strongest Q champions ever. Unfortunate to have to play them early in the playoffs, but sometimes the host meet the best team on the way like that. The 2013 Halifax Mooseheads lost one game at the 2013 Memorial Cup. One of 9 losses all season. To the host Saskatoon who also were 2nd round losers in WHL Playoffs. They are full marks for stopping the Moose since none of the teams that earned their way could dent them. *and in 2022 the Q Champs didn't need 16 wins. Shawinigan only needed 13 wins. It was surely an easier road this year in the Q. Is it ideal? No. Quebec lost to Moncton in the finals in 6 games, 4 of which went to OT. So I'd say there win was more earned than Shawinigan in 2012 and Saint John if they win this year. The fact that Shawinigan only had to win 13 games to get to the tournament this year is not their fault.....that was the same for all Q teams. Blame that on the Q brass. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but Saint John hadn't played in 39 days. The other 3 teams are battered and bruised, with little rest before the tournament started. The Sea Dogs are rested and healthy. Is that fair to the other teams that scratch and claw their way through their league to get there? If Saint John had lost to Charlottetown in the 2nd round, then that's a different story altogether, IMO. Rimouski weren't contenders....they finished 23 points behind Saint John. There's no easy answer, although didn't Drummondville get kicked out of the Memorial Cup as hosts because they weren't good enough? Not saying that's the case here, but, in my own personal opinion, winning your league would seem to be more of an accomplishment than winning a 4 team tournament where you only play each team once in a round robin format. I'd rather see a double round robin instead of a single round robin for this tournament.
I'm not arguing either way; someone has to host, and Saint John were a worthy choice as host. But I don't know why anyone would consider them to be the underdog in this tournament. If anything, because they haven't played in so long and are well rested and healthy, I consider them the favourites.
I'm not arguing with this. I am arguing with the point that all Memorial cup hosts that lose in the playoffs are less legitimate Memorial Cup champions if they win it. I said "As a rule" I am not willing to overlook these things that some very good teams that lose in their playoffs come across unique to their year. I am able to tell when a team that is very good has a tough league that year. SJ had no excuse for losing this year and it's embarrassing for them and their league, but sometimes very good hosts just have the worst road to the championship. This was not one of them. Scotiahockey among others wish to devalue them equally. |
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Post by j3e4 on Jun 21, 2022 11:28:32 GMT -4
Just an oversight that they left in a colour that appears on he NB flag when the rest of their uniforms were dominated by colors that also appear on the NB flag? I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. And to be clear, I'm not suggesting this fact (that there is blue on the NB flag) makes the uniform any more visually appealing. Maybe there was a better way to incorporate all of the colours. People can think whatever they want about them. I personally don't care much about these uniforms either way because I'd rather they just stick with the regular ones, but get that it's tradition. I'm only suggesting that there is a reason that there was some blue in it. But like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one which is fine. As I said, Silver does not appear on the NB flag. I was responding to comments involving the blue, not the silver. Every colour from the flag appears in the uniform but I never stated the opposite to be the case. The silver likely got left in as a combination of laziness and convenience that goes along with appearing with the blue. Edit - Quickly scrolling back through the thread I only notice one comment that mention blue specifically. I thought there were more. I recall seeing others online, mostly from Sea Dogs fans, but that must have been on some other platform (Facebook most likely). I had those comments in mind when I made my initial comment on the topic. |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jun 21, 2022 11:37:00 GMT -4
It's not ideal. FOR the purists... You just outlined the same problem that March Madness presents with 68 teams. Some years you win a national title and not your league title. Any sport with wildcards has that. Tournament format generally have that problem. It happens in golf (invites) and curling (wildcards) too. Memorial cup is a national championship. It isn't a league playoff. And it also skews the host priviledge to a few cities that qualify economically and its only a small handful of places. So a city qualifies to host not really the team.Do you think that Saint John bids for the tournament if their team is going to be crap? I highly doubt any major market that can host will bid if their team was the shits....so while it may be awarded to a city, it's the Sea Dogs organization that makes the bid, with he blessing of the city. Well it's silly that a league that is built on junior hockey competitive cycles has teams that throw their whole plan in the garbage on the concept of hosting a tournament. Baie-Comeau never has to worry about this. SJ didn't have great attendance this year. It was pretty poor actually for the team they had in a year they would be hosting the cup. Their playoff series vs Rimouski was not well attended. That they built a whole new team in December and then decided the coach had to go in May is equally an embarrassment. The team is going to face a new reality in 2022-23 and beyond. 1st - These players will be gone 2nd - they will not be bidding on any Memorial cups for another 15-20 years 3rd - the fans are already sour at mgmt and the rebuild is going to start again and be tortuous. There is little to be excited about after this week in SJ. Part of the factor that go into site selection for the Memorial Cup is "can that team be in a position to compete"?. If the 2020 season had continued people would have seen how bad Kelowna was before the pandemic gave them grace from even worse embarrassment. So it's hit and miss. It is so easy to lose in playoffs. Selling the farm to win is no guarantee. |
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 21, 2022 12:31:54 GMT -4
Do you think that Saint John bids for the tournament if their team is going to be crap? I highly doubt any major market that can host will bid if their team was the shits....so while it may be awarded to a city, it's the Sea Dogs organization that makes the bid, with he blessing of the city. Well it's silly that a league that is built on junior hockey competitive cycles has teams that throw their whole plan in the garbage on the concept of hosting a tournament. Baie-Comeau never has to worry about this. SJ didn't have great attendance this year. It was pretty poor actually for the team they had in a year they would be hosting the cup. Their playoff series vs Rimouski was not well attended. That they built a whole new team in December and then decided the coach had to go in May is equally an embarrassment. The team is going to face a new reality in 2022-23 and beyond. 1st - These players will be gone 2nd - they will not be bidding on any Memorial cups for another 15-20 years 3rd - the fans are already sour at mgmt and the rebuild is going to start again and be tortuous. There is little to be excited about after this week in SJ. Part of the factor that go into site selection for the Memorial Cup is "can that team be in a position to compete"?. If the 2020 season had continued people would have seen how bad Kelowna was before the pandemic gave them grace from even worse embarrassment. So it's hit and miss. It is so easy to lose in playoffs. Selling the farm to win is no guarantee. I agree with your first two points, but we don't know what the future holds. We will enter the offseason with 2 of the better OA goalies (and a third in Patenaude who I would be more than happy to have back). We have Lawrence (rumored on the CB board to be headed there), along with Burns, Lessard and possibly Desroches that could move. We also have some younger guys that could be moved for the right price. MacDonald is playing the hockey of his life. Reynolds has refound his mojo. Drapeau has been one heck of a bright light on our D. |
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