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Post by jimmy on Jul 7, 2022 11:20:54 GMT -4
Would be a big piece for Ottawa...as much for experience as for skill... Pierre LeBrun @pierrevlebrun · 3m Still lots to play out over the next 6-7 days obviously, but I do believe the Ottawa Senators will emerge has a legitimate option, among other teams, for Claude Giroux when the market opens next Wednesday. I think the Sens will put their best foot forward in trying to sign him. Hard to not question where Giroux's head is. Took a deal to Florida over Colorado. Now he's going to sign in Ottawa? Basically has made a ton of money and can pick where he wants to go and he's taking a retirement package from perhaps the most mediocre franchise in the league? Maybe i'm one of the only ones who don't exactly think their rebuild is all the media drums it up to be but how do you not take the chance to try and win right now? Give me McDavids wing at a discount for a season or 2...or shotgun to MacKinnon as a Kadri replacement at a lower cost...or 3-4 other obviously better opportunities. Aren’t he and his wife from the Ottawa area ? At this stage of his career, it probably comes down to chasing a championship (probably need to sign shorter term and leave dollars on the table to join a contender), or look for a good situation for your family, which it appears Ottawa might be a good fit.
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Post by Score on Jul 7, 2022 11:25:40 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 7, 2022 11:26:16 GMT -4
This will have a direct impact on Edmonton, Colorado, Toronto etc with the goalie musical chairs...
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Post by Score on Jul 7, 2022 11:27:38 GMT -4
This will have a direct impact on Edmonton, Colorado, Toronto etc with the goalie musical chairs... Tweet has been deleted by Weekes
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Post by Score on Jul 7, 2022 11:29:47 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 7, 2022 11:34:56 GMT -4
Hard to not question where Giroux's head is. Took a deal to Florida over Colorado. Now he's going to sign in Ottawa? Basically has made a ton of money and can pick where he wants to go and he's taking a retirement package from perhaps the most mediocre franchise in the league? Maybe i'm one of the only ones who don't exactly think their rebuild is all the media drums it up to be but how do you not take the chance to try and win right now? Give me McDavids wing at a discount for a season or 2...or shotgun to MacKinnon as a Kadri replacement at a lower cost...or 3-4 other obviously better opportunities. Aren’t he and his wife from the Ottawa area ? At this stage of his career, it probably comes down to chasing a championship (probably need to sign shorter term and leave dollars on the table to join a contender), or look for a good situation for your family, which it appears Ottawa might be a good fit. He is from there but outside of that I just don't agree its a good fit. I see Ottawa as stuck in a rebuild and Giroux isn't going to change that...maybe i'm wrong and all the kids put it together finally but in that division I don't see Ottawa as a threat at all. Giroux has made about $80 million in his career. If he signed a team friendly 2 year deal with a contender he'd be 36 in 2 years and then Ottawa would make way more sense or at least he'd have a better idea of what he was getting himself into by going there.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 7, 2022 11:37:44 GMT -4
Hard to not question where Giroux's head is. Took a deal to Florida over Colorado. Now he's going to sign in Ottawa? Basically has made a ton of money and can pick where he wants to go and he's taking a retirement package from perhaps the most mediocre franchise in the league? Maybe i'm one of the only ones who don't exactly think their rebuild is all the media drums it up to be but how do you not take the chance to try and win right now? Give me McDavids wing at a discount for a season or 2...or shotgun to MacKinnon as a Kadri replacement at a lower cost...or 3-4 other obviously better opportunities. Very few contenders can afford to pay a guy like that 5-7M a year. He's made $80 mil. Take $3.5 per to try and win for 2 years. Can still cash in at 36....especially if he spends the next 2 years on a PP with a McDavid or MacKinnon.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 7, 2022 11:39:38 GMT -4
Kevin Weekes @kevinweekes · 2m **Update** Having spoken with both sides on Fleury, I’m told “no deal is in place, it’s a process.” It’s @nhl Draft Day, and flow of information is flying around. I’m always striving to get you great @nhl fans the most accurate up to the minute info. #HockeyTwitter
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 7, 2022 11:40:33 GMT -4
Very few contenders can afford to pay a guy like that 5-7M a year. He's made $80 mil. Take $3.5 per to try and win for 2 years. Can still cash in at 36....especially if he spends the next 2 years on a PP with a McDavid or MacKinnon. It's easy to say but agents and union are pushing guys to take maximize their deal.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 7, 2022 11:50:54 GMT -4
He's made $80 mil. Take $3.5 per to try and win for 2 years. Can still cash in at 36....especially if he spends the next 2 years on a PP with a McDavid or MacKinnon. It's easy to say but agents and union are pushing guys to take maximize their deal. Of course they are. But its also silly to view 100% of free agents through that lense when we can sit here and name many players who didnt look to maximize their value in order to give their teams flexibility. Are we really going to sit here in a league where not 1 player gets paid max money and say a guy like Giroux shouldnt take say half the money for 2 years to have more fun and try to win? Can we view and discuss the human/professional element at all or just money? Until a McDavid or a Matthews demand they get their proper worth and the maximum contract an NHL team can give them as elite MVP's of the league can we really say the union just wants guys making as much as they can? Seems to me like NHL players actually give up money to stay where they are in most cases. Maybe Giroux has no interest in winning. I can actually respect that argument more than "his agent and PA want him to take the most from a crappy organization" as logic to not try and chase a ring while still producing good numbers.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 7, 2022 12:58:22 GMT -4
It's easy to say but agents and union are pushing guys to take maximize their deal. Of course they are. But its also silly to view 100% of free agents through that lense when we can sit here and name many players who didnt look to maximize their value in order to give their teams flexibility. Are we really going to sit here in a league where not 1 player gets paid max money and say a guy like Giroux shouldnt take say half the money for 2 years to have more fun and try to win? Can we view and discuss the human/professional element at all or just money? Until a McDavid or a Matthews demand they get their proper worth and the maximum contract an NHL team can give them as elite MVP's of the league can we really say the union just wants guys making as much as they can? Seems to me like NHL players actually give up money to stay where they are in most cases. Maybe Giroux has no interest in winning. I can actually respect that argument more than "his agent and PA want him to take the most from a crappy organization" as logic to not try and chase a ring while still producing good numbers. Players very often leave money on the table, but it's not usually going from 6M x 6 to 1 year at 3.5M. I don't think Giroux is at a point where he signs a 1 year deal, I could be wrong, but I see him signing for 4-6 years at 5+M... Letang just got 6+M for 6 years from Pit..Giroux is a year younger. Granted, I think signing Letang for 6 years is dumb, but I see Giroux having 4-5-6 year offers to chose from.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 7, 2022 13:01:33 GMT -4
New York Rangers @nyrangers · 10m OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired a third-round and fifth-round selection in the 2022 NHL Draft, as well as a third-round pick in the 2023 NHL Draft, from Colorado in exchange for goaltender Alexandar Georgiev.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 7, 2022 13:36:28 GMT -4
Of course they are. But its also silly to view 100% of free agents through that lense when we can sit here and name many players who didnt look to maximize their value in order to give their teams flexibility. Are we really going to sit here in a league where not 1 player gets paid max money and say a guy like Giroux shouldnt take say half the money for 2 years to have more fun and try to win? Can we view and discuss the human/professional element at all or just money? Until a McDavid or a Matthews demand they get their proper worth and the maximum contract an NHL team can give them as elite MVP's of the league can we really say the union just wants guys making as much as they can? Seems to me like NHL players actually give up money to stay where they are in most cases. Maybe Giroux has no interest in winning. I can actually respect that argument more than "his agent and PA want him to take the most from a crappy organization" as logic to not try and chase a ring while still producing good numbers. Players very often leave money on the table, but it's not usually going from 6M x 6 to 1 year at 3.5M. I don't think Giroux is at a point where he signs a 1 year deal, I could be wrong, but I see him signing for 4-6 years at 5+M... Letang just got 6+M for 6 years from Pit..Giroux is a year younger. Granted, I think signing Letang for 6 years is dumb, but I see Giroux having 4-5-6 year offers to chose from. The cap is going to start going up soon. Signing for 2yr/7 mil now could still open him up for a payday with a larger cap. Its only comparable year over year if there's no cap growth. Once the cap starts going up it absolutely would make sense for certain guys to take less for better opportunity vs the immediate pay day. Especially if they're in good health.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 7, 2022 13:43:34 GMT -4
Players very often leave money on the table, but it's not usually going from 6M x 6 to 1 year at 3.5M. I don't think Giroux is at a point where he signs a 1 year deal, I could be wrong, but I see him signing for 4-6 years at 5+M... Letang just got 6+M for 6 years from Pit..Giroux is a year younger. Granted, I think signing Letang for 6 years is dumb, but I see Giroux having 4-5-6 year offers to chose from. The cap is going to start going up soon. Signing for 2yr/7 mil now could still open him up for a payday with a larger cap. Its only comparable year over year if there's no cap growth. Once the cap starts going up it absolutely would make sense for certain guys to take less for better opportunity vs the immediate pay day. Especially if they're in good health. That strategy works if you are 25, 26 or even as late as 29-30 but at 34, you can logically expect it to be your last big payday.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 7, 2022 14:06:00 GMT -4
Darren Dreger @darrendreger · 5m Teams responding to Kuemper’s availability. The belief is he’s hoping to fetch a free agent contract similar to Grubauer’s 6 year deal with Seattle. $5.9 mil aav.
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