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Post by hal on Dec 23, 2022 17:30:21 GMT -4
The way Draft Picks are getting tossed around , it is all very confusing .
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 23, 2022 17:36:13 GMT -4
I think there is some logic to the exchange of 1sts. The speculation regarding Desruisseault on the French board was that this would be a three way deal with Drummond, and they believed it would be built around Drummond contending next year, us contending in 24/25, and Chicoutimi in 25/26. Obviously we can say now that there is definitely some truth to whatever is being speculated in that forum.
So here we get an extra 1st to add an impact rookie for our 24/25 run, while they get their extra first in 25/26. Newcombe is a player who will likely be in the league as an OA. Desruissault will be 19 for Sags run, if they are targeting that year.
I'm not saying I agree with the logic. But it does exist.
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Post by justathought on Dec 23, 2022 17:44:14 GMT -4
I don't want to over simplify part of this but it sure looks to me that Syl is trying to get bigger. Newcombe is 6" and 202 lbs and Campbell is 6' 1" and 204 lbs.
It's funny that the one trade that everyone expected hasn't been made yet!
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Post by JEagle on Dec 23, 2022 18:28:11 GMT -4
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Post by hal on Dec 23, 2022 18:52:14 GMT -4
There yah Go ......now everyone can speculate Why ?
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 23, 2022 18:55:40 GMT -4
That’s more concerning than Sly’s tendency to throw picks around. The 13th overall pick, that you probably hoped would be a cornerstone of your team, requested out after half a season. Now who knows why that is, it could be for a very good reason and we may never truly know but it makes you wonder where this heads. How do you change the program so players want to stay? This may also turn into a Bathurst situation where he mostly drafts Atlantic Canadians and stays away from the Quebec kids, which is fine but you can’t totally ignore the most talented province with the most players and easily build a contender either.. I’m also not sure what age group this team try’s to build around, you’d think it’d be the 06 born players but…
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 23, 2022 18:59:51 GMT -4
I really, really hope the kid just couldn't adjust to the language and culture change. If that's the case, I think we can all understand. But if this is because the pitch we made to him in the summer has proven itself to be bullshit, well we really are just stuck in a brutal cycle then aren't we.
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 23, 2022 19:07:25 GMT -4
That’s more concerning than Sly’s tendency to throw picks around. The 13th overall pick, that you probably hoped would be a cornerstone of your team, requested out after half a season. Now who knows why that is, it could be for a very good reason and we may never truly know but it makes you wonder where this heads. How do you change the program so players want to stay? This may also turn into a Bathurst situation where he mostly drafts Atlantic Canadians and stays away from the Quebec kids, which is fine but you can’t totally ignore the most talented province with the most players and easily build a contender either.. I’m also not sure what age group this team try’s to build around, you’d think it’d be the 06 born players but… The moves so far hint heavily toward 24/25. We've acquired an '04 who could play 5 years in the Q. Sly has been targeting '05s since he came in. And we have now dealt our first and third for 2025. Houde, Newcombe, and Ruccia (if he comes good) will all be Q players at 20. Patterson, Squires, and Daigle as very good 19s, with Arnold, Henderson, Campbell, and Fullarton all potential depth players. Lavoie and Shields should already be top Q players at 18. It makes sense to go in that year and then get a big return for them as 19yos.
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Post by eagleeye on Dec 23, 2022 20:47:12 GMT -4
SYL i really like this trade Jacob Newcombe thanks
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Post by sc74 on Dec 23, 2022 23:15:20 GMT -4
Whats the logic of moving the pick trades here? Pointless to even comment on another player wanting out. So who really benefits from the 1sts that move? I'd say Chicoutimi's 2024 is more valuable than Cape Breton's 2025... unless the Eagles still struggle in 2024-25. Chicoutimi will have a really young team next year.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Dec 23, 2022 23:42:58 GMT -4
Delafonatine (Unfortunate Circumstance) Cloutier Bergeron
And now Desruisseaux...
This is a real boot below the belt watching these guys walk after paying premiums (Delafonatine/Bergeron) or drafting high (Cloutier/Desruisseaux) and essentially feeding the league for pennies on the dollar.
Biggar, Newcombe, and Campbell may be decent players in their own right but it's tough watching high end talent walk for guys who's biggest asset to the team is that they will report.
At face value Desruisseaux for a .5 PPG 18YO and a second is a really bitter pill to swallow.
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Post by Citris on Dec 24, 2022 0:04:02 GMT -4
Not a huge fan of the return for Cape Breton. I do like Newcombe, don't get me wrong, before Halifax decided that this was the all-in year, I was hoping the Mooseheads would pick him up. Big boy who works hard and finally seems to be putting it all together, he could be a very good 19/20 year old.
That said Desruisseaux was a 1st round pick just a short 6 months ago. Sure, 1st round picks amount to nothing all the time, and maybe we look back on this trade in 5 years as a nothing burger.... but what's more frustrating is the pattern.
Peddle, Perron and now Desruisseaux just the latest in a chain of guys who want out of CB. How do you stop that bleeding?
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Post by JEagle on Dec 24, 2022 3:22:01 GMT -4
Not a huge fan of the return for Cape Breton. I do like Newcombe, don't get me wrong, before Halifax decided that this was the all-in year, I was hoping the Mooseheads would pick him up. Big boy who works hard and finally seems to be putting it all together, he could be a very good 19/20 year old. That said Desruisseaux was a 1st round pick just a short 6 months ago. Sure, 1st round picks amount to nothing all the time, and maybe we look back on this trade in 5 years as a nothing burger.... but what's more frustrating is the pattern. Peddle, Perron and now Desruisseaux just the latest in a chain of guys who want out of CB. How do you stop that bleeding? Peddle never was an Eagle and I don't think he was ever gonna agree to be one, Perron Couturier just straight up traded he never asked to be moved to my knowledge. So the only one out the three mentioned in your post that asked out of here was Desruisseaux which who knows the real reason it could of been just as much of a I'm homesick thing than a I don't want to play here anymore thing.
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Post by hal on Dec 24, 2022 10:12:30 GMT -4
Peddle was never "recruited" properly .You shouldn't have to Kiss some of these Kid's Asses but the reality is you do . If all members of your Hockey Ops are not even there for the meeting with theHighest Ranked Maritimer who is from 2 hours away and the Father of the Kid you are giving a Sales Pitch to is also a Career Coach in Hockey then what did you really think would happen ? Notice it was All Hands on Deck when it came to Lavoie . They made trips up to his Home and brought the entire Family to Sydney ........not once but twice .
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Post by Eagles933 on Dec 24, 2022 10:31:50 GMT -4
Hearing the 2nd in the Desruisseaux will be going back to Chicoutimi at the draft for the 1st round comp pick they will be receiving for Sacha Boisvert
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