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Post by sherwood1020 on Dec 28, 2022 15:39:56 GMT -4
Still curious as to what sort of compensation will be coming down the pipe for Bergeron.
Seeing as Quebec went after Langlois and Bergerons rights weren't tied into that trade would lead me to belive that Quebec couldn't get him to commit.
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 28, 2022 18:30:01 GMT -4
scotiahockey Jack Bauer in the interest of not creating more of a wall of text than I have to, I'll reply to you both here. Thanks for your thoughtful replies. I think a key element of this is that I think that the difference between Biggar and Squires IS big enough that it does actually move the needle on winning games. I have never understood the idea of eating minutes - it only makes sense if the player is good enough to eat those minutes with a decent result. Lavoie and Daigle would pass Squires in a matter of games and would almost definitely end up with the same minutes they had in the first place. Coaches want to win. To be honest a lot of my argument comes down to the fact that I think Biggar makes our defense a lot better than it was, and that the price isn't obscene. From reading your posts scotiahockey , I definitely accept that you have a better eye for players, so if you think Biggar doesn't move the needle compared to Squires, I bow to you on that. To be clear, I don't think the org is better off than it was 2 weeks ago either. But I think it would be a more than fair argument to make if the Schmitt trade doesn't happen. Jack Bauer , I would take Squires over Thurston, but that isn't saying much, I would show Thurston the door today if I was in charge. But with Biggar, I just think it does make a difference having a player of his quality and experience to insulate the promising youngsters. None of my argument has anything to do with the position in the standings - I think it is next to irrelevant. It is that it will make us more likely to hold on to these players, and make it more likely that they will develop. Again, I may be way overestimating the value of playing on a competitive team in a players development. I do find your take RE: Ivan and Repcik to be flat out disingenuous though. To chose goals as the stat there is blatant cherry-picking - Ivan is 8th in whole Q for assists on a bad team, and you are just choosing to exclude those. You frame it as Ivan having 9 goals vs Repcik's 5 - when we look at it in points it is Ivan's 34 vs Repcik's 10. That tells the story - I would say anyone who watches this team and says Repcik could even approach what Ivan brings to it needs their eyes checked. And this is coming from someone who really liked Repcik. And that's before you consider what Ivan has gone through for this org over his 4 years, and the message dumping him in his 20 yo season would send to Euro's thinking about coming here. The argument you both make about acquiring Biggar in the offseason for less is a good one though, I'll admit that. I like his addition, but that may have been the way to go. Sorry - I'm not the most succinct writer and I think we probably agree on most things. I see where you're both coming from but I'm still unsure about it.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 28, 2022 20:29:55 GMT -4
I do find your take RE: Ivan and Repcik to be flat out disingenuous though. To chose goals as the stat there is blatant cherry-picking - Ivan is 8th in whole Q for assists on a bad team, and you are just choosing to exclude those. You frame it as Ivan having 9 goals vs Repcik's 5 - when we look at it in points it is Ivan's 34 vs Repcik's 10. That tells the story - I would say anyone who watches this team and says Repcik could even approach what Ivan brings to it needs their eyes checked. And this is coming from someone who really liked Repcik. And that's before you consider what Ivan has gone through for this org over his 4 years, and the message dumping him in his 20 yo season would send to Euro's thinking about coming here. Ivan is producing points. You're right. If he wasn't here would there have been more ice time for Repcik? What about Desruisseaux? We're not sending any negative message by not inviting back a 20yr old Euro. Because we had no other option at the time and no other overager is did make sense to bring him in....but there's also no negative message sent to anyone else if you cut Ivan because as a bottom team we should be focusing on developing the 2 younger players we could have had while adding a new overager. Repcik is not only playing at the WJHC he's scoring. 3 goals in 2 games. That's a reason I mention the goal scoring...Repcik is already on par with Ivan after leaving here in a key offensive stat. He's also 2 years younger and could come back at 19 next year. Can Repcik be what Ivan is now? I don't think it's impossible. He's still only 18. But I guarantee he would do more for you at 19 then Ivan will playing somewhere else. Thats the key in all this...either going with older players or completely dismissing the bad decisions when its only taking weeks to prove where the team at the bottom should just focus on getting younger because clearly keeping Ivan's isn't resulting in wins or more tickets sold...so why not focus on developing a kid that instantly starts to show his full potential after he leaves? It made no sense to cheap out on overagers yet overpay for what we did in the name of adding more experience. We could have had a younger European and 2 better overagers and a lot of the problem you're saying that exists around needing to insulate the youth would have been in place. Hell maybe we even have the ice time to give younger players more potential before we need to give up on them.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Dec 28, 2022 20:32:50 GMT -4
The 2025 2nd in the Schmitt trade is conditional based on if he will be in the league at 20 per Sylvain Couturier
Says that the players who have asked him for trades were traded
Keeping lips sealed on Langlois, says there could potentially 2-3 assets coming back
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Post by JEagle on Dec 28, 2022 20:37:36 GMT -4
The 2025 2nd in the Schmitt trade is conditional based on if he will be in the league at 20 per Sylvain Couturier Says that the players who have asked him for trades were traded Keeping lips sealed on Langlois, says there could potentially 2-3 assets coming back I'll add that Sly seems to think the price paid for Brayden Schmitt at 18yo would of been the same price paid if Schmitt was a 20yo.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 28, 2022 20:38:11 GMT -4
The 2025 2nd in the Schmitt trade is conditional based on if he will be in the league at 20 per Sylvain Couturier Says that the players who have asked him for trades were traded Keeping lips sealed on Langlois, says there could potentially 2-3 assets coming back And until we know what those assets are...impossible to know if we sold low or high. This will be the most interesting deals to follow into the draft I think. Potential for many other layers to this one.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Dec 28, 2022 20:49:27 GMT -4
The 2025 2nd in the Schmitt trade is conditional based on if he will be in the league at 20 per Sylvain Couturier Says that the players who have asked him for trades were traded Keeping lips sealed on Langlois, says there could potentially 2-3 assets coming back And until we know what those assets are...impossible to know if we sold low or high. This will be the most interesting deals to follow into the draft I think. Potential for many other layers to this one. Very well could be a sweetheart placeholder for a team with a depleted draft cupboard to let them get their ducks in a row. Its definitely better hearing this from the horses mouth than just being left to wonder what if.
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 29, 2022 0:27:35 GMT -4
scotiahockey Jack Bauer in the interest of not creating more of a wall of text than I have to, I'll reply to you both here. Thanks for your thoughtful replies. I think a key element of this is that I think that the difference between Biggar and Squires IS big enough that it does actually move the needle on winning games. I have never understood the idea of eating minutes - it only makes sense if the player is good enough to eat those minutes with a decent result. Lavoie and Daigle would pass Squires in a matter of games and would almost definitely end up with the same minutes they had in the first place. Coaches want to win. To be honest a lot of my argument comes down to the fact that I think Biggar makes our defense a lot better than it was, and that the price isn't obscene. From reading your posts scotiahockey , I definitely accept that you have a better eye for players, so if you think Biggar doesn't move the needle compared to Squires, I bow to you on that. To be clear, I don't think the org is better off than it was 2 weeks ago either. But I think it would be a more than fair argument to make if the Schmitt trade doesn't happen. Let’s make no mistake about it, I think Biggar is better than Squires. Significantly better but not to the point of me being willing to pay a 2nd and 3rd when I was in 17th place. If you were a contender or a team mid-pack looking to win a round and compete in the next round as you ascend towards a championship contender the next season, then I have no problems paying the price for Biggar. At that point, I think it makes a lot of sense. Just not when you’re where the Eagles are right now.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Dec 29, 2022 1:07:20 GMT -4
After attending the game tonight and seeing the retooled team which has looked to have kind of gone a "hard reset", I feel like I'm starting to see a bit of the forest through the trees.
This team as it sits is by no means perfect, but with teams ahead of us selling we could potentially get to .500 which would land us somewhere in the middle of the standings and might land us a favorable match up on a 7 game series.
I've talked alot of shit it feels like over the past week but I left the rink tonight with a more positive mindset than I did walking in.
Why not get this core we've built/bought of 04/05/06 players together and maybe steal a series as a practice run for the next 2-3 seasons and work on establishing a winning culture? I think I would rather that right now than landing 15/16th and getting smoked in the first round by a Quebec/Gatineau/Halifax.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 10:21:09 GMT -4
I have complained a lot about the focus on winning when it means sacrificing development, but last night I felt we were able to do both. As much as young kids need to play to develop, they need to win as well. Not every game, but they need to feel relevant and last night all 4 lines were engaged and seen solid minutes. A huge part of a development cycle is feeling you are a part of something, you belong and you are needed not just in the future, but now as well. I won't get too excited, it was just one game, but I liked what I saw last night.
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Post by eagleeye on Dec 29, 2022 19:14:37 GMT -4
we have two games against Halifax this weekend and it will be hard but hope our goalie keeps us in the game
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Post by jboyz on Dec 31, 2022 11:03:44 GMT -4
Hearing Antoine Roy from the Armada is heading this way. Sly and the Armada GM must’ve spent Christmas together.
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 31, 2022 11:19:29 GMT -4
I don't know anything about him, but he's decent on the draw and we're short on natural centres so makes sense if the price is next to nothing (which is a big if). I like Hebért more on the wing, although he was better in the FO circle last night.
I noticed McCluskey wasn't listed as a scratch last night. Just an oversight, or is there something to that?
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Post by gritty506 on Dec 31, 2022 11:24:05 GMT -4
If Roy is coming your way, this is a good move. Good teammate,strong big body kid, good at winning face offs, plays a very solid defensive game.Not the fastest skater, but his IQ makes up for it.
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Post by JEagle on Dec 31, 2022 11:47:32 GMT -4
I don't know anything about him, but he's decent on the draw and we're short on natural centres so makes sense if the price is next to nothing (which is a big if). I like Hebért more on the wing, although he was better in the FO circle last night. I noticed McCluskey wasn't listed as a scratch last night. Just an oversight, or is there something to that? McCluskey isn't playing or listed as a scratch again today so I'm assuming they dropped him from the roster like they did with Preston Pattengale.
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