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Apr 12, 2023 16:24:41 GMT -4
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Post by sherwood1020 on Apr 12, 2023 16:24:41 GMT -4
I see in the GM's newspaper article the following: "Meanwhile, Couturier confirmed Julien Hebert’s time with the team is also over. Couturier said Hébert was made aware he won’t fit the team’s plan as a 20-year-old next season." I didn't see any mention in the article of rookies Lochead, Giffen, Grandy and returnee Henderson. What are their chances of cracking the roster next year? Desjardins and a Goalie (Labbe?) MIGHT be the only rookies cracking the roster next season depending on who they decide to bring in at the draft. Got to assume everyone else will be shopped/packaged for veteran help. Of course I could be completely wrong again but I suspect very few young players.
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Post by hal on Apr 12, 2023 17:16:59 GMT -4
The Waugh Kid out of PEI should be on The Big Club .
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Post by artvandelay on Apr 12, 2023 19:45:22 GMT -4
Not very different from what was already posted but I have been thinking about next season since Game 4 ended... okay probably since Game 2 or 3 ended. Some big holes to fill for sure and it will be interesting to see what ends up happening with the overagers and Euros. Pretty thin down the middle, especially since I don't see Boutin being back. One of Newcombe, Squires or Houde may have to make the switch to center full time. I could see them moving out Shortall as well to open up an overage spot for a forward who can score to replace Ivan and Johnson's offence.
Newcombe - xxxxx - Squires Houde - xxxxx - Shields Fullerton - Patterson - Lochead Aucoin - Roy - Campbell
Biggar(20) - Lavoie Daigle - Schmitt Desjardins - Waugh Ruccia Labbe
Hopefully Davis reports and grabs a spot in the top 9 right away. Would certainly be ahead of Lochead. I could see them targeting Cam MacDonald since he is local or Cole Huckins due to the Titan connection as overagers to add some scoring although they are both wingers and a center would make more sense. Could also see them trading their top pick (and more?) for an 18 year old center who can step into the top 6 immediately though I don't know who that would be. Maybe Woodworth as a 19 year old center and pencil him in as overager for 24-25 with Newcombe and Schmitt. Of course, Sly is going to make 14 trades before the draft ends so all of these names could be changed.
Just kinda kicking tires and throwing ideas out there. I do see a path to a really strong 24-25 team but really have no idea what to expect next season right now.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 13, 2023 9:10:52 GMT -4
Something everyone should keep in mind re: Sly's interview is that until June all the kids he has returning who arent overagers will factor into his plan because you're not going to devalue someone on the trade market by saying they're not a part of your plan.
So whether its Ruccia or Satny or the overagers...pay more attention to numbers over the words of the GM.
I would bet a mortgage payment that there is a 0% chance this team runs with Ruccia and a rookie as a goaltending tandem in a year where they have to come out strong and can't afford a disappointment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 9:13:35 GMT -4
Not very different from what was already posted but I have been thinking about next season since Game 4 ended... okay probably since Game 2 or 3 ended. Some big holes to fill for sure and it will be interesting to see what ends up happening with the overagers and Euros. Pretty thin down the middle, especially since I don't see Boutin being back. One of Newcombe, Squires or Houde may have to make the switch to center full time. I could see them moving out Shortall as well to open up an overage spot for a forward who can score to replace Ivan and Johnson's offence. Newcombe - xxxxx - Squires Houde - xxxxx - Shields Fullerton - Patterson - Lochead Aucoin - Roy - Campbell Biggar(20) - Lavoie Daigle - Schmitt Desjardins - Waugh Ruccia Labbe Hopefully Davis reports and grabs a spot in the top 9 right away. Would certainly be ahead of Lochead. I could see them targeting Cam MacDonald since he is local or Cole Huckins due to the Titan connection as overagers to add some scoring although they are both wingers and a center would make more sense. Could also see them trading their top pick (and more?) for an 18 year old center who can step into the top 6 immediately though I don't know who that would be. Maybe Woodworth as a 19 year old center and pencil him in as overager for 24-25 with Newcombe and Schmitt. Of course, Sly is going to make 14 trades before the draft ends so all of these names could be changed. Just kinda kicking tires and throwing ideas out there. I do see a path to a really strong 24-25 team but really have no idea what to expect next season right now. Personally, I don't see Newcombe, Houde or Squires as an option at Center, with a huge emphasis on Squires. We have very few RH shots as it is and the kid is a pure winger, putting him in the middle and you smother his best skill sets. Patterson is probably the most natural center of the bunch, not sure where his development is headed, but he was used very sparingly there this past season. Luke Woodworth is an interesting option, had the Volts not upset the Tigres, I would have said that they may blow things up in Drummondville, but now I am not so sure, they may have just put it back on the tracks and "go for it" next year, which would take Woodworth out of play. Ideally I think Sly would like a Maritimer for any and all upgrades. Savoie, Huckins, MacDonald (although I think he turns pro), Elliott , Chisholm to name a few. Personally, I would like Robidas as a potential #1 C , not sure if he would be available or would report or likely a hot commodity that most contending teams would go after. He would be a 1 year filler, but a very good one. Finding a #1 center that could be in Cape for 2 years won't be easy, the only option may in fact be from within
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 13, 2023 9:19:53 GMT -4
Not very different from what was already posted but I have been thinking about next season since Game 4 ended... okay probably since Game 2 or 3 ended. Some big holes to fill for sure and it will be interesting to see what ends up happening with the overagers and Euros. Pretty thin down the middle, especially since I don't see Boutin being back. One of Newcombe, Squires or Houde may have to make the switch to center full time. I could see them moving out Shortall as well to open up an overage spot for a forward who can score to replace Ivan and Johnson's offence. Newcombe - xxxxx - Squires Houde - xxxxx - Shields Fullerton - Patterson - Lochead Aucoin - Roy - Campbell Biggar(20) - Lavoie Daigle - Schmitt Desjardins - Waugh Ruccia Labbe Hopefully Davis reports and grabs a spot in the top 9 right away. Would certainly be ahead of Lochead. I could see them targeting Cam MacDonald since he is local or Cole Huckins due to the Titan connection as overagers to add some scoring although they are both wingers and a center would make more sense. Could also see them trading their top pick (and more?) for an 18 year old center who can step into the top 6 immediately though I don't know who that would be. Maybe Woodworth as a 19 year old center and pencil him in as overager for 24-25 with Newcombe and Schmitt. Of course, Sly is going to make 14 trades before the draft ends so all of these names could be changed. Just kinda kicking tires and throwing ideas out there. I do see a path to a really strong 24-25 team but really have no idea what to expect next season right now. Personally, I don't see Newcombe, Houde or Squires as an option at Center, with a huge emphasis on Squires. We have very few RH shots as it is and the kid is a pure winger, putting him in the middle and you smother his best skill sets. Patterson is probably the most natural center of the bunch, not sure where his development is headed, but he was used very sparingly there this past season. Luke Woodworth is an interesting option, had the Volts not upset the Tigres, I would have said that they may blow things up in Drummondville, but now I am not so sure, they may have just put it back on the tracks and "go for it" next year, which would take Woodworth out of play. Ideally I think Sly would like a Maritimer for any and all upgrades. Savoie, Huckins, MacDonald (although I think he turns pro), Elliott , Chisholm to name a few. Personally, I would like Robidas as a potential #1 C , not sure if he would be available or would report or likely a hot commodity that most contending teams would go after. He would be a 1 year filler, but a very good one. Finding a #1 center that could be in Cape for 2 years won't be easy, the only option may in fact be from within It should be easy with the draft picks we have to move. If the best we can find is within this is going to be a long 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 9:37:06 GMT -4
Personally, I don't see Newcombe, Houde or Squires as an option at Center, with a huge emphasis on Squires. We have very few RH shots as it is and the kid is a pure winger, putting him in the middle and you smother his best skill sets. Patterson is probably the most natural center of the bunch, not sure where his development is headed, but he was used very sparingly there this past season. Luke Woodworth is an interesting option, had the Volts not upset the Tigres, I would have said that they may blow things up in Drummondville, but now I am not so sure, they may have just put it back on the tracks and "go for it" next year, which would take Woodworth out of play. Ideally I think Sly would like a Maritimer for any and all upgrades. Savoie, Huckins, MacDonald (although I think he turns pro), Elliott , Chisholm to name a few. Personally, I would like Robidas as a potential #1 C , not sure if he would be available or would report or likely a hot commodity that most contending teams would go after. He would be a 1 year filler, but a very good one. Finding a #1 center that could be in Cape for 2 years won't be easy, the only option may in fact be from within It should be easy with the draft picks we have to move. If the best we can find is within this is going to be a long 2 years. Do a deep dive on what is out there for 04 born #1 Center's...it's slim picken's. Over paying for a 20 year old this year and then having to do it again next season, does not make much sense, Boutin may be the answer. I said it before and I will say it again, this past season should have been a 100% development year, instead we ran the shit out of guys who had no future with the team and we are left trying to fill holes in an attempt to hit a point in standings similar to this season.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 13, 2023 10:01:16 GMT -4
It should be easy with the draft picks we have to move. If the best we can find is within this is going to be a long 2 years. Do a deep dive on what is out there for 04 born #1 Center's...it's slim picken's. Over paying for a 20 year old this year and then having to do it again next season, does not make much sense, Boutin may be the answer. I said it before and I will say it again, this past season should have been a 100% development year, instead we ran the shit out of guys who had no future with the team and we are left trying to fill holes in an attempt to hit a point in standings similar to this season. The development curve is wild among 17's and 18's. Look at Doucet in Halifax....nobody would have viewed him as an elite player after his 18yr old season. The key is finding the right fit. We have the picks to bring in the 2 year player but it 100% has to be someone who can step right into top line minutes. But I think we're all frustrated after this season. Which is a reason I have such a tough time with how Jeremy Fraser spun his article with Sly. It comes off more as team controlled propaganda vs any accurate post mortem for the fans to read. I see a lot needing to be done to be top 8 next year. And thats assuming something we all know probably isn't true in that all the players coming back want to return. This teams history tells me there will be at least 1 curveball coming that we don't like. But maybe they will prove that to be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 11:06:38 GMT -4
All indications is that the Eagles should end up with 2 First round picks, the other one coming from CHI now that will be filing for compensation on the Boisvert pick...my guess is that first rounder will be coming to Cape as well. With that said, I agree, little value in keeping the 8th and it will be a decent pick. I don't see Moncton being a trade partner, Filion would be a down grade on Ruccia and the only C I see as value would be Lounsbury and he is likely untouchable. Great work on the draft the profiles, I enjoy reading them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 11:11:53 GMT -4
Do a deep dive on what is out there for 04 born #1 Center's...it's slim picken's. Over paying for a 20 year old this year and then having to do it again next season, does not make much sense, Boutin may be the answer. I said it before and I will say it again, this past season should have been a 100% development year, instead we ran the shit out of guys who had no future with the team and we are left trying to fill holes in an attempt to hit a point in standings similar to this season. The development curve is wild among 17's and 18's. Look at Doucet in Halifax....nobody would have viewed him as an elite player after his 18yr old season. The key is finding the right fit. We have the picks to bring in the 2 year player but it 100% has to be someone who can step right into top line minutes. But I think we're all frustrated after this season. Which is a reason I have such a tough time with how Jeremy Fraser spun his article with Sly. It comes off more as team controlled propaganda vs any accurate post mortem for the fans to read. I see a lot needing to be done to be top 8 next year. And thats assuming something we all know probably isn't true in that all the players coming back want to return. This teams history tells me there will be at least 1 curveball coming that we don't like. But maybe they will prove that to be wrong. I agree the dev curve is wild for 17's and 18's, Doucette is a good example, but also a rare example. If you look at the 04's out there, the top guys or at least the top potential guys are on teams that have a similar cycle to Cape, making trade options far more unlikely. Sly may try and peal an Andrews from Bathurst or an Oliver from Drummondville, but I am not convinced that those guys have any more 2 year upside then what we have in house. Fauchon would be nice...don't see BLB giving him up...Fontaine could be a guy you get as a 20, but RN is not letting him go this season. This task will be challenging.
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Post by justathought on Apr 13, 2023 11:13:16 GMT -4
Does anyone have an update on how the top prospects did this season, especially the two young Quebec goalies?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 11:23:00 GMT -4
Does anyone have an update on how the top prospects did this season, especially the two young Quebec goalies? By the 2 young Que goalies , I assume you mean Cloutier and Labbe? Cloutier is heading NCAA as far as we know, there has been no further indication that it will change. During the reg season, Labbe actually out performed Cloutier from a #'s standpoint, posting a .911% and 2.59 GAA. Labbe was also very good at the CCM challenge back in Dec, losing in the final , but carried his team on the Saturday with big wins. Labbe did not see much play-off action, only 2 games and from a #'s stand point he was just average. My concern with Labbe was size and strength, I am sure that has changed now, he is listed as 5.11 , 140 , hoping is in the 6' range and has added a few lbs.
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Post by artvandelay on Apr 13, 2023 11:47:06 GMT -4
Something everyone should keep in mind re: Sly's interview is that until June all the kids he has returning who arent overagers will factor into his plan because you're not going to devalue someone on the trade market by saying they're not a part of your plan. So whether its Ruccia or Satny or the overagers...pay more attention to numbers over the words of the GM. I would bet a mortgage payment that there is a 0% chance this team runs with Ruccia and a rookie as a goaltending tandem in a year where they have to come out strong and can't afford a disappointment. I agree with you, was just kind of posting my list based on what they have right now. Definitely see them in the goalie market and Sly's comments could be him trying to boost Ruccia's trade value more than actually guaranteeing a spot as a #1. Of course, which GM in the league reads that and puts any value into it, but he has to say something when asked about Ruccia. May as well make it positive at this time of year.
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Post by artvandelay on Apr 13, 2023 11:51:27 GMT -4
Not very different from what was already posted but I have been thinking about next season since Game 4 ended... okay probably since Game 2 or 3 ended. Some big holes to fill for sure and it will be interesting to see what ends up happening with the overagers and Euros. Pretty thin down the middle, especially since I don't see Boutin being back. One of Newcombe, Squires or Houde may have to make the switch to center full time. I could see them moving out Shortall as well to open up an overage spot for a forward who can score to replace Ivan and Johnson's offence. Newcombe - xxxxx - Squires Houde - xxxxx - Shields Fullerton - Patterson - Lochead Aucoin - Roy - Campbell Biggar(20) - Lavoie Daigle - Schmitt Desjardins - Waugh Ruccia Labbe Hopefully Davis reports and grabs a spot in the top 9 right away. Would certainly be ahead of Lochead. I could see them targeting Cam MacDonald since he is local or Cole Huckins due to the Titan connection as overagers to add some scoring although they are both wingers and a center would make more sense. Could also see them trading their top pick (and more?) for an 18 year old center who can step into the top 6 immediately though I don't know who that would be. Maybe Woodworth as a 19 year old center and pencil him in as overager for 24-25 with Newcombe and Schmitt. Of course, Sly is going to make 14 trades before the draft ends so all of these names could be changed. Just kinda kicking tires and throwing ideas out there. I do see a path to a really strong 24-25 team but really have no idea what to expect next season right now. Personally, I don't see Newcombe, Houde or Squires as an option at Center, with a huge emphasis on Squires. We have very few RH shots as it is and the kid is a pure winger, putting him in the middle and you smother his best skill sets. Patterson is probably the most natural center of the bunch, not sure where his development is headed, but he was used very sparingly there this past season. Luke Woodworth is an interesting option, had the Volts not upset the Tigres, I would have said that they may blow things up in Drummondville, but now I am not so sure, they may have just put it back on the tracks and "go for it" next year, which would take Woodworth out of play. Ideally I think Sly would like a Maritimer for any and all upgrades. Savoie, Huckins, MacDonald (although I think he turns pro), Elliott , Chisholm to name a few. Personally, I would like Robidas as a potential #1 C , not sure if he would be available or would report or likely a hot commodity that most contending teams would go after. He would be a 1 year filler, but a very good one. Finding a #1 center that could be in Cape for 2 years won't be easy, the only option may in fact be from within I don't think any of them will make a move to center either, but they have some work to do to find a couple of top 6 centers so they aren't forced to move anyone to the middle. I suppose Boutin is still an option (possibly) and maybe Patteron can grab a second line center job but he would have to take some big steps this offseason to get there so I wouldn't expect that leap from him. Woodworth would be ideal, could be a 2-year option for sure, but you are right about Drummondville, a series win makes it less likely they trade their leading scorer in the offseason.
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Post by artvandelay on Apr 13, 2023 11:57:13 GMT -4
The development curve is wild among 17's and 18's. Look at Doucet in Halifax....nobody would have viewed him as an elite player after his 18yr old season. The key is finding the right fit. We have the picks to bring in the 2 year player but it 100% has to be someone who can step right into top line minutes. But I think we're all frustrated after this season. Which is a reason I have such a tough time with how Jeremy Fraser spun his article with Sly. It comes off more as team controlled propaganda vs any accurate post mortem for the fans to read. I see a lot needing to be done to be top 8 next year. And thats assuming something we all know probably isn't true in that all the players coming back want to return. This teams history tells me there will be at least 1 curveball coming that we don't like. But maybe they will prove that to be wrong. I agree the dev curve is wild for 17's and 18's, Doucette is a good example, but also a rare example. If you look at the 04's out there, the top guys or at least the top potential guys are on teams that have a similar cycle to Cape, making trade options far more unlikely. Sly may try and peal an Andrews from Bathurst or an Oliver from Drummondville, but I am not convinced that those guys have any more 2 year upside then what we have in house. Fauchon would be nice...don't see BLB giving him up...Fontaine could be a guy you get as a 20, but RN is not letting him go this season. This task will be challenging. If you look back two years, Dumais was a promising 16 year old (29 pts in 40 games), Lawrence was coming off a rather disappointing 18 year old season (21 pts in 33 games) and Doucet was just a depth guy (20 pts in 36 games). Fast forward two seasons and they were the top three scorers in the league. I'm not saying we need three of these guys to be the top scorers in the league, but the team is banking on huge steps from Squires, Shields, Newcombe and maybe Patterson if they expect to be a legit contender in 24-25.
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