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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 22, 2023 12:16:01 GMT -4
Re: the young D...does it make sense to look on the trade market and move say a 17yr old D for an 18yr old F? Seems like there's lots of bodies and not enough roster spots on the back end.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 12:54:08 GMT -4
Thoughts on last nights game.. Squires looked like he grew a couple inches and man was he ever a beast on the ice. He could be poised for a huge year. Burbidge and Cam MacDonald weren’t really giving it there all it seemed but you could tell they’re both highly skilled players at times last night. I would say Waugh has the inside track on Desjardins and Carbonneau as of right now but all 3 of them look ready to play in this league. I thought Shields looked really good. He could have a big year playing next to Squires and MacDonald. I want to see Francis play a pre season game before I can say he can definitely play in this league. Skill wise, he’s there. But when talking physicality wise and playing under pressure in the corners and neutral zone I think he’d get eaten alive. Stahon is very fast and is really good on the forecheck. I did question his off puck play a lot the last few intrasquad games. I am not sure you will see Squires/Shields on the same line, unless it's the PP, both are natural RW's and we are not overly deep in high end RW's. As for Burbidge, what you seen last night is what you get. He is extremely effective at playing the game without looking like he is going all out. He is not a guy who will out work his opponent, he will out smart them, so if you are waiting for a hard forecheck, crash and bang, corner guy, he is not your man! Seeing Francis play a pre-season game won't do much for me personally, pre-season is not Q hockey, it's a full step below. I don't want to knock the kid, but we are watching pond hockey right now, very little structure, limited intensity, limited coaching, so to say he is there skill wise, is a bold statement, hockey is much more then open ice speed and decent hands, that's a very small part of the skills needed to play a regular shift in the Q. Maybe, given the fact that he is local you could keep him as a 14th forward and you see what you got for 7-10 Q games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 13:15:46 GMT -4
Re: the young D...does it make sense to look on the trade market and move say a 17yr old D for an 18yr old F? Seems like there's lots of bodies and not enough roster spots on the back end. 100% it does, but who? When Burbidge was brought in, it was the reason I was ok with the higher price, he was one of very few impact 18's who was somewhat on the market. Maybe a deal with RN for Futures on Verdon, or a guy like Gendron in Victo. When you look ahead to next season, you will have to find a spot for these 7 and potentially at least one new 19. Daigle/Lavoie Schmitt/Desjardins Waugh/Carbonneau Murphy
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Post by scotiahockey on Aug 22, 2023 13:47:20 GMT -4
Re: the young D...does it make sense to look on the trade market and move say a 17yr old D for an 18yr old F? Seems like there's lots of bodies and not enough roster spots on the back end. 100% it does, but who? When Burbidge was brought in, it was the reason I was ok with the higher price, he was one of very few impact 18's who was somewhat on the market. Maybe a deal with RN for Futures on Verdon, or a guy like Gendron in Victo. When you look ahead to next season, you will have to find a spot for these 7 and potentially at least one new 19. Daigle/Lavoie Schmitt/Desjardins Waugh/Carbonneau Murphy You’re likely not moving them for an impact player. You’re trading them for something you deem to be of similar caliber/potential, only they play F instead of D. We’re talking prospects here so you need to be realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 13:51:06 GMT -4
It would never be a one for one, although both Desjardins and Carbonneau might just carry more weight then you think given the landscape of 17 year old D in Quebec. It might take a pick or 2, but there is a ton of value in both of these guys.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 22, 2023 13:53:59 GMT -4
It would never be a one for one, although both Desjardins and Carbonneau might just carry more weight then you think given the landscape of 17 year old D in Quebec. It might take a pick or 2, but there is a ton of value in both of these guys. Why would it never be 1 for 1? We see those deals pretty regularly in this league. Someone trading for a slightly older player hoping to fill a void or trading back from a strength to add a slightly younger player. You can probably find a handful of 1 for 1 deals just looking at our trade history from the last few years. They certainly do happen more then a "it would never..." statement would indicate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 14:04:06 GMT -4
It would never be a one for one, although both Desjardins and Carbonneau might just carry more weight then you think given the landscape of 17 year old D in Quebec. It might take a pick or 2, but there is a ton of value in both of these guys. Why would it never be 1 for 1? We see those deals pretty regularly in this league. Someone trading for a slightly older player hoping to fill a void or trading back from a strength to add a slightly younger player. You can probably find a handful of 1 for 1 deals just looking at our trade history from the last few years. They certainly do happen more then a "it would never..." statement would indicate. Sorry, I am looking at it as if we move one of them, it should be for a top 18 year old F. Personally, if we are taking trades, what about trading Houde? Could he help RN or Victo this year? Or he is just too valuable as a potential 20 next season?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 22, 2023 14:22:13 GMT -4
Why would it never be 1 for 1? We see those deals pretty regularly in this league. Someone trading for a slightly older player hoping to fill a void or trading back from a strength to add a slightly younger player. You can probably find a handful of 1 for 1 deals just looking at our trade history from the last few years. They certainly do happen more then a "it would never..." statement would indicate. Sorry, I am looking at it as if we move one of them, it should be for a top 18 year old F. Personally, if we are taking trades, what about trading Houde? Could he help RN or Victo this year? Or he is just too valuable as a potential 20 next season? Yeah i'm looking at moving depth for depth. If you only look at trades through the lense of adding the best player it becomes a pointless exercise I think as not every deal is about adding an impact player. But trading depth for depth or prospect for prospect in a way to try and fill a void can make sense. I see a lot of blueline depth on a team that has a pretty set top 5 or 6 guys at the moment. Those 17yr olds are great to have but its impossible that all develop and play here because there's just not enough roster spots. Maybe you move a Shortall to create some space and open up an overage slot up front or in goal. But knowing who our GM is...i'm expecting a flurry of deals once camp starts to wrap up.
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Post by hal on Aug 22, 2023 14:43:57 GMT -4
Seeing how Fighting has been all but eliminated and the Physical Side of the Game will most likely decrease , I can see Shortall being moved given all this depth on Defence .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 22, 2023 14:52:40 GMT -4
Seeing how Fighting has been all but eliminated and the Physical Side of the Game will most likely decrease , I can see Shortall being moved given all this depth on Defence . I can see the physical side increasing early on before things level out a bit. There's going to be some over-correction happening within the game itself because you know how players this age are....they're going to actually go extra hard to try walking that physicality line without crossing over into a fight to try and gain an edge on undisciplined opponents. There's an argument to be made that its never been more important to have those physical hard hitting guys on the back end. Without fighting they can't really be contained by anyone on the opposition unless they're willing to hit back. Their presence becomes larger without fighting as an option. It will be interesting to see if the fighting rule changes more about how the game is played or if it actually creates some physicality without fighting to act as the deterrent. I mean based on social media and what 90% of people say about this change i'm expecting every game to be a stick swinging marathon inside an empty arena lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 15:00:10 GMT -4
Seeing how Fighting has been all but eliminated and the Physical Side of the Game will most likely decrease , I can see Shortall being moved given all this depth on Defence . How many career fights has Shortall had? He is not a fighter by any means.
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Post by hal on Aug 22, 2023 16:18:35 GMT -4
Seeing how Fighting has been all but eliminated and the Physical Side of the Game will most likely decrease , I can see Shortall being moved given all this depth on Defence . How many career fights has Shortall had? He is not a fighter by any means. I never implied that he is the 2nd coming of Hunter LaHache back there , all I was saying is that if a 17 year old Defenceman with nice upside gets you a Top 6 20 year old up front .....Stallone may look at .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 16:28:17 GMT -4
LOL, I like it! But I just think he brings a lot to this team other then his mitts. Besides, adding another top 6 20 year old up front will just push guys down the line up who need to play, hence the Boutin trade. It's all good until it isn't and then the wheeln' and deeln' starts I guess.
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Post by hal on Aug 22, 2023 17:29:04 GMT -4
Boutin got caught up in a Numbers Game . Don't lose sight of the fact that ......Mr Simon's Vision may trump the desire of Sly and/or Robitaille to develop an extra 16 or 17 year old up front . Who knows what he said on the Weekend ? He may have hit the Fast Forward Button again on the whole thing .
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Post by hfxfan09 on Aug 22, 2023 21:04:27 GMT -4
I see you guys have 2 guys on loan how does that work? for example if the kid on loan from Chichoutimi cracks CB's roster does Chi get some sort of compensation?, good game by you guys tonight.
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