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Post by scotiahockey on Apr 26, 2024 11:07:27 GMT -4
Personally I think Bowen is wrong. A lot of people in the rink, said it was loud. A lot of people said it was extremely loud when there was a reason to be loud. Goals, hits, etc. Obviously you could hear a pin drop when the Leafs get scored on. People who were at the game for the most part though, thought it was loud. People trying to sell content don’t. We know you can’t trust the broadcast, the arena just doesn’t mix well on TV and different networks dull/pump in certain noises to give more juice to other things. The TV is a terrible barometer of how the crowd is. The reality of it is, the majority of the people in the stands have been burned a million times by the Leafs. Rightfully so, they're a little skeptical of this team. It’s not the crowds fault, it isn’t the refs fault, it isn’t the coach’s fault. Everything that happens to this team, is because of the players. I said it last year and I’ll say it again, Shanny needs to go. This is his team. The team needs to trade Marner and shake up this core. They aren’t going to get it done with these players. My wife isn't a sports fan. She watches many Leaf games with me. Her first comment after puck drop was how rowdy that crowd was. For Scotiabank Arena....that place was loud as hell. For an NHL playoff game when compared to Winnipeg and Edmonton? It's a clear step below. I'm with you on the end of Shanahan. How such a gritty 2 way player has allowed this team to be built with such a weak physical style while the winning teams all play heavy and hard is not excuseable this far into this core's NHL lifespan. Things should have changed at the top after losing to Columbus. At some point you just have to realize the makeup of guys you have, isn’t going to change. They’re not willing or not capable of making the necessary changes to be successful in the playoffs. Then when you boil it right down, there’s only 1 guy to deal. It’s Marner, you can’t pay a 25-30 goal winger, whatever he’s going to command unless he significantly raises his baseline in the playoffs. Which we know he doesn’t. Scoring depth is an issue, they can’t score goals in the playoffs. Time and time again they’ve just shown they can’t. Would this team have been better off if they had some more cap room and replaced Marner with some combination of the top free agents from last year? Say a combo of Compher/Tarasenko/O’Reilly (I don’t think he was ever resigning but maybe extra money does it) and still having around 2 million to play with on other positions on the roster? I don’t know if the regular season success would be the same but the Leafs could go 82-0 and it doesn’t matter if they don’t do it in the playoffs.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2024 11:44:43 GMT -4
My wife isn't a sports fan. She watches many Leaf games with me. Her first comment after puck drop was how rowdy that crowd was. For Scotiabank Arena....that place was loud as hell. For an NHL playoff game when compared to Winnipeg and Edmonton? It's a clear step below. I'm with you on the end of Shanahan. How such a gritty 2 way player has allowed this team to be built with such a weak physical style while the winning teams all play heavy and hard is not excuseable this far into this core's NHL lifespan. Things should have changed at the top after losing to Columbus. At some point you just have to realize the makeup of guys you have, isn’t going to change. They’re not willing or not capable of making the necessary changes to be successful in the playoffs. Then when you boil it right down, there’s only 1 guy to deal. It’s Marner, you can’t pay a 25-30 goal winger, whatever he’s going to command unless he significantly raises his baseline in the playoffs. Which we know he doesn’t. Scoring depth is an issue, they can’t score goals in the playoffs. Time and time again they’ve just shown they can’t. Would this team have been better off if they had some more cap room and replaced Marner with some combination of the top free agents from last year? Say a combo of Compher/Tarasenko/O’Reilly (I don’t think he was ever resigning but maybe extra money does it) and still having around 2 million to play with on other positions on the roster? I don’t know if the regular season success would be the same but the Leafs could go 82-0 and it doesn’t matter if they don’t do it in the playoffs. The move to make was when Pietrangelo was UFA. He's a difference maker. We can trade Marner and all our picks and we're not getting a top pairing D with Cup winning experience. We missed out there. Now the best we can hope for is depth but thats what we need come playoff time. 2 goals doesn't cut it.
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Post by bois on Apr 28, 2024 1:45:11 GMT -4
Was that a big game?
Any sign of tavares?
Hes a garbage captain
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Post by davo1997 on Apr 28, 2024 9:27:04 GMT -4
This team Sucks they have key peices in place but they need to move on from a few players and coaching staff. Marner has to go scared to go in the corners and play playoff hockey. JT will have to stay but my god hes hard to watch. I don know what a possible marner trade would look like but thats step number 1 in my opinion. Keefe firing aswell
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Post by Score on Apr 28, 2024 9:47:43 GMT -4
Willie to Marner, "stop fuckin crying bro"...
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Post by jordo999 on Apr 28, 2024 10:30:03 GMT -4
man this team is depressing...They can score in flurries in the regular season but can't get more than 2 goals on average in the playoffs....
Powerplay is terrible, penalty kill is terrible. Team is arguing with each other. No real good coaching changes. It's all a mess
I think if they're out tomorrow night Keefe is gone, and Marner possibly gone. Honestly I'd keep Matthews, Nylander, McCabe, Rielly, Benoit, Knies, trade everyone else. and get a more spread out lineup.
if they can do a similar trade like Winnipeg did with Dubois to bring in 3 players +, then I think this team has to look at something potentially the same for Marner.
The core 4 just isn't working and it's proving time and time again. No longer can be patient. The small re-tools did nothing, the constant deadline adds did nothing, time for a big move.
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Post by JEagle on Apr 28, 2024 15:03:05 GMT -4
man this team is depressing...They can score in flurries in the regular season but can't get more than 2 goals on average in the playoffs.... Powerplay is terrible, penalty kill is terrible. Team is arguing with each other. No real good coaching changes. It's all a mess I think if they're out tomorrow night Keefe is gone, and Marner possibly gone. Honestly I'd keep Matthews, Nylander, McCabe, Rielly, Benoit, Knies, trade everyone else. and get a more spread out lineup. if they can do a similar trade like Winnipeg did with Dubois to bring in 3 players +, then I think this team has to look at something potentially the same for Marner. The core 4 just isn't working and it's proving time and time again. No longer can be patient. The small re-tools did nothing, the constant deadline adds did nothing, time for a big move. Worst part of this is any move to do with the Core 4 should have been done this past off-season before guys like Marner had their NMC kick in, now a thing like trading Marner which was already going to be difficult because of his cap hit is now even harder because of the NMC, could he still waive it if asked sure but could he also say no and just play out the last year on his contract and walk out in free agency for nothing.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 28, 2024 15:39:47 GMT -4
man this team is depressing...They can score in flurries in the regular season but can't get more than 2 goals on average in the playoffs.... Powerplay is terrible, penalty kill is terrible. Team is arguing with each other. No real good coaching changes. It's all a mess I think if they're out tomorrow night Keefe is gone, and Marner possibly gone. Honestly I'd keep Matthews, Nylander, McCabe, Rielly, Benoit, Knies, trade everyone else. and get a more spread out lineup. if they can do a similar trade like Winnipeg did with Dubois to bring in 3 players +, then I think this team has to look at something potentially the same for Marner. The core 4 just isn't working and it's proving time and time again. No longer can be patient. The small re-tools did nothing, the constant deadline adds did nothing, time for a big move. Boston is clogging the middle and forcing them to dump and chase and make it hard to get inside. Most of the bigger TML pieces are not playing up to their salaries while Marchand and Pastanak are earning theirs.
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Post by Score on Apr 28, 2024 16:30:47 GMT -4
man this team is depressing...They can score in flurries in the regular season but can't get more than 2 goals on average in the playoffs.... Powerplay is terrible, penalty kill is terrible. Team is arguing with each other. No real good coaching changes. It's all a mess I think if they're out tomorrow night Keefe is gone, and Marner possibly gone. Honestly I'd keep Matthews, Nylander, McCabe, Rielly, Benoit, Knies, trade everyone else. and get a more spread out lineup. if they can do a similar trade like Winnipeg did with Dubois to bring in 3 players +, then I think this team has to look at something potentially the same for Marner. The core 4 just isn't working and it's proving time and time again. No longer can be patient. The small re-tools did nothing, the constant deadline adds did nothing, time for a big move. Most of the bigger TML pieces are not playing up to their salaries while Marchand and Pastanak are earning theirs. "Same ol song and dance".
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Post by jordo999 on Apr 28, 2024 17:04:19 GMT -4
man this team is depressing...They can score in flurries in the regular season but can't get more than 2 goals on average in the playoffs.... Powerplay is terrible, penalty kill is terrible. Team is arguing with each other. No real good coaching changes. It's all a mess I think if they're out tomorrow night Keefe is gone, and Marner possibly gone. Honestly I'd keep Matthews, Nylander, McCabe, Rielly, Benoit, Knies, trade everyone else. and get a more spread out lineup. if they can do a similar trade like Winnipeg did with Dubois to bring in 3 players +, then I think this team has to look at something potentially the same for Marner. The core 4 just isn't working and it's proving time and time again. No longer can be patient. The small re-tools did nothing, the constant deadline adds did nothing, time for a big move. Worst part of this is any move to do with the Core 4 should have been done this past off-season before guys like Marner had their NMC kick in, now a thing like trading Marner which was already going to be difficult because of his cap hit is now even harder because of the NMC, could he still waive it if asked sure but could he also say no and just play out the last year on his contract and walk out in free agency for nothing. yup...it's rough and I think Treliving has some gymnastics to do this summer, but there's going to be some major changes.
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Post by upndown on Apr 28, 2024 18:58:01 GMT -4
The Canadian teams having a hard tim
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 29, 2024 7:48:39 GMT -4
The Canadian teams having a hard tim Vancouver is up 3-1 thanks to their 2nd and 3rd goalies. Edmonton is also up 3-1.
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Post by lirette on Apr 29, 2024 8:14:19 GMT -4
The Canadian teams having a hard tim Vancouver is up 3-1 thanks to their 2nd and 3rd goalies. Edmonton is also up 3-1. and thanks to Garland for doing Garland things
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 29, 2024 8:49:38 GMT -4
Was that a big game? Any sign of tavares? Hes a garbage captain Say what you want about production but to say Tavares is garbage in a league with many mediocre captains when he's almost the ideal definition of what you want that role to be in terms of an example setter and just decent human being is just terrible posting. So many words to use. So many ways to describe whats going on. But lets label actual good people as garbage because they didn't score in a hockey game? Anything to get a reaction I guess.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 29, 2024 8:53:13 GMT -4
The Canadian teams having a hard tim It was rather predictable which ones would have trouble. Toronto fans have seen this coming for months. Can't change the roster and can't change the playoff format. Winnipeg was always only going as far as the goaltending was taking them. But its hilarious watching the national media torch the leafs who don't score....while acting like the Vezina trophy favorite isn't putting up a legendary choke job himself in a series that by the time it started Avs fans all thought would be over in 5 only with Winnipeg coming out on top. But thats what comes with the spotlight. Everything you do means more. You'll find lots about how Toronto is doing. You'll have to dig to find anyone talking about what Winnipeg looks like right now because ultimately on a larger scale nobody cares how they do.
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