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Post by scotiahockey on Aug 10, 2023 0:39:13 GMT -4
As a Habs fan, I want to make sure Leaf fans don't think I'm trolling....as I'm not. The way I see things, it's just a matter of time until Matthews signs with the Coyotes. His home team. Becomes the face of his hometown team. It would benefit the Coyotes market/franchise a lot. Potentially save the team. Back home close to his parents. To me it just makes sense for Auston to move home to Arizona and "save" that franchise. Thoughts? Personally can’t see it. It may happen someday but I don’t think that day is now. If they were more stable, with a better team and arena situation then I’d say it’s possible this off-season but they’re no where near that and even if he wants to be home in Arizona, you aren’t going to go there now. They just can’t offer you anything on the ice. I think Matthews re-signs for 4-5 years then might pull a Tavares and go home to finish his career as the captain and face of the franchise. Hell in 4-5 years it might even be an amicable divorce if the Leafs continue to fail. I personally don’t think Arizona is going away either, despite what everyone wants to think.. the NHL wants to see this through and the area is churning out players recently. They don’t need Auston to “save” the franchise because the NHL doesn’t want the franchise to leave. This is all part of what the NHL wanted, to tap into the markets where players didn’t come from traditionally or where other sports were #1 and it’s starting to work… just look around the league at where some of these young guys come from and when these expansion teams started popping up in these markets. It isn’t a coincidence, so while people want to label the Coyotes as a failure, I see it differently. The NHL is getting elite players into the game in markets they never would have before because they’d have played some other sport. It’s adding to the product and creating more elite players by tapping into new resources. Sure the franchise isn’t very good but neither are a lot of other ones in “better” markets. The NHL is going to put teams in places where they can help grow the game and find new players (as they should) and Arizona has shown they can do that. To me, that makes the franchise a success and one worth keeping around from an NHL perspective because without these teams, your talent pool is going to be significantly less to pick from.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 10, 2023 8:31:20 GMT -4
As a Habs fan, I want to make sure Leaf fans don't think I'm trolling....as I'm not. The way I see things, it's just a matter of time until Matthews signs with the Coyotes. His home team. Becomes the face of his hometown team. It would benefit the Coyotes market/franchise a lot. Potentially save the team. Back home close to his parents. To me it just makes sense for Auston to move home to Arizona and "save" that franchise. Thoughts? We've been hearing it for 7 years now. It just seems to completely go against what Matthews is and who he wants to be. Watch this guy closely and you'd quickly believe there is a 0% chance of him wanting anonymity in the dessert. If he leaves Toronto it's to go to a bigger market. LA. New York. Chicago. Not Arizona. He's into fashion. Wants the endorsements. Seems to want to build a brand outside of just hockey. He might retire in a decade at home once a new rink is built. But I think there's a 0% chance that in 12 months time he's anywhere but Toronto or one of those huge US markets.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 10, 2023 8:33:38 GMT -4
Aho Signing to 9.75m a year makes me believe Nylander won't take less than 10M...I know Aho is a center but still. I still wonder if a deal for Pesce to the Leafs is possible, especially if Brodie is potentially bought out/moved. Nylander could be that piece Carolina needs, and could see a Canes/Leafs Conference final lol Is Toronto going to start the year without having Matthews and Nylander signed long term? That would be a huge risk, an injury could tank any trade value. Nobody is thinking trade value. Cap space is an asset. If either leaves we now have the money to replace them. We're likely going to sign Matthews around when camp starts for 3-5 years and Nylander's situation will play out ahead of July 1. If he leaves as a UFA...we just go get someone else in that $8-$9mil range we want him to sign for. This is 100% about 2024 playoffs. Nothing really matters until then.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 24, 2023 0:43:30 GMT -4
4/53 to extend Matthews.
Generally I hate the term and think the AAV is fair. Most observers think it's fair for both sides.
I just can't help but view the term vs so many other elite player being locked up for the max term and think we're giving in too much to not get longer term.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 24, 2023 7:40:29 GMT -4
4/53 to extend Matthews. Generally I hate the term and think the AAV is fair. Most observers think it's fair for both sides. I just can't help but view the term vs so many other elite player being locked up for the max term and think we're giving in too much to not get longer term. It looks like a guy who always has one foot out the door and not the "I'm all in with this team" that we often see with star players signing for 7-8 years. I can't recall many other stars in their prime signing for less than 6 years.
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Post by scotiahockey on Aug 24, 2023 10:35:55 GMT -4
4/53 to extend Matthews. Generally I hate the term and think the AAV is fair. Most observers think it's fair for both sides. I just can't help but view the term vs so many other elite player being locked up for the max term and think we're giving in too much to not get longer term. It looks like a guy who always has one foot out the door and not the "I'm all in with this team" that we often see with star players signing for 7-8 years. I can't recall many other stars in their prime signing for less than 6 years. It’s cause they don’t and while I don’t like the term, there’s also a possibility the Leafs make out like a winner. Look at how much most teams/fans hate contracts of still very good players when they’re 32/33 because they’re no longer “worth” the price tag. Even if they still contribute at a high level like Tavares. I think it’s very tough to say a player who’s signed for 12 years in a city, isn’t “all in” but we can disagree on that.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 24, 2023 11:06:06 GMT -4
It looks like a guy who always has one foot out the door and not the "I'm all in with this team" that we often see with star players signing for 7-8 years. I can't recall many other stars in their prime signing for less than 6 years. It’s cause they don’t and while I don’t like the term, there’s also a possibility the Leafs make out like a winner. Look at how much most teams/fans hate contracts of still very good players when they’re 32/33 because they’re no longer “worth” the price tag. Even if they still contribute at a high level like Tavares. I think it’s very tough to say a player who’s signed for 12 years in a city, isn’t “all in” but we can disagree on that. Thats the Toronto effect. When a Stamkos goes right to an interview process ahead of UFA nobody views him as any less committed to Tampa when he re-signs. We only hear how non-committed athletes are to certain teams...mainly the ones with the most attention. If he didn't have both feet in and wasn't committed...he'd already be gone. It's ok to speak to the term vs others like MacKinnon but I don't think thats a commitment thing. They're 2 different discussions as I see it. People still think this guy is interested in going home to play in the middle of nowhere for a nothing franchise. It's like they've ignored what his image has been for 7 years now. This guy wants the biggest spotlight and he gets that in the leagues biggest market.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 24, 2023 11:42:43 GMT -4
It looks like a guy who always has one foot out the door and not the "I'm all in with this team" that we often see with star players signing for 7-8 years. I can't recall many other stars in their prime signing for less than 6 years. It’s cause they don’t and while I don’t like the term, there’s also a possibility the Leafs make out like a winner. Look at how much most teams/fans hate contracts of still very good players when they’re 32/33 because they’re no longer “worth” the price tag. Even if they still contribute at a high level like Tavares. I think it’s very tough to say a player who’s signed for 12 years in a city, isn’t “all in” but we can disagree on that. The long term deals teams regret are the ones signed at 29-30 years of age, not the ones signed when the guy is 25.
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Post by scotiahockey on Aug 24, 2023 11:56:33 GMT -4
It’s cause they don’t and while I don’t like the term, there’s also a possibility the Leafs make out like a winner. Look at how much most teams/fans hate contracts of still very good players when they’re 32/33 because they’re no longer “worth” the price tag. Even if they still contribute at a high level like Tavares. I think it’s very tough to say a player who’s signed for 12 years in a city, isn’t “all in” but we can disagree on that. The long term deals teams regret are the ones signed at 29-30 years of age, not the ones signed when the guy is 25. He’d be 27 when the extension kicked in, you’re telling me teams don’t regret contracts when guys start getting to 32-34 years of age? Matthews is one of the best players in the world so it’s not the same as most guys but it doesn’t mean he’s still effective at the end of an 8 year deal and then you’d only hear about how he isn’t worth 13 million for the last 3 years of his deal. He could probably sign for 8 by 10 and you’d still find a way to spin it as a bad deal. If he wasn’t committed and wanted to leave, he’s literally in a position to walk himself to free agency right now . He’d take that opportunity and do it because I’m sure there’s an 8 year deal with the same or higher AAV waiting for him if he went to FA.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 24, 2023 12:56:17 GMT -4
The long term deals teams regret are the ones signed at 29-30 years of age, not the ones signed when the guy is 25. He’d be 27 when the extension kicked in, you’re telling me teams don’t regret contracts when guys start getting to 32-34 years of age? Matthews is one of the best players in the world so it’s not the same as most guys but it doesn’t mean he’s still effective at the end of an 8 year deal and then you’d only hear about how he isn’t worth 13 million for the last 3 years of his deal. He could probably sign for 8 by 10 and you’d still find a way to spin it as a bad deal. If he wasn’t committed and wanted to leave, he’s literally in a position to walk himself to free agency right now . He’d take that opportunity and do it because I’m sure there’s an 8 year deal with the same or higher AAV waiting for him if he went to FA. He could have pushed it ahead of July 1 to sign for 8/120 with anyone who wanted to acquire him. You'll never convince me that there's not at least 20 teams who wouldn't pay a hart trophy and richard winning #1 C $15 mil per for the next 8 years.
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Post by Score on Aug 30, 2023 12:22:09 GMT -4
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Post by Kingrat on Sept 5, 2023 12:28:27 GMT -4
bump
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Post by Kingrat on Sept 10, 2023 23:56:44 GMT -4
any trade rumours out there that might be fair for both teams
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Post by jordo999 on Sept 11, 2023 10:57:15 GMT -4
any trade rumours out there that might be fair for both teams it's usually the same stuff. I keep seeing Nylander to St. Louis as being a heavy rumor in return for a 1st, Jake Neighbors, and Colton Parayko, but honestly I don't see that happening. Parayko is likely on the downswing and still signed for like 6 or 7 more years iirc? Neighbors has good potential but is still a project. only way a 1st is worth it is if it's unprotected. overall I think there's better potential deals out there.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 11, 2023 12:48:57 GMT -4
any trade rumours out there that might be fair for both teams it's usually the same stuff. I keep seeing Nylander to St. Louis as being a heavy rumor in return for a 1st, Jake Neighbors, and Colton Parayko, but honestly I don't see that happening. Parayko is likely on the downswing and still signed for like 6 or 7 more years iirc? Neighbors has good potential but is still a project. only way a 1st is worth it is if it's unprotected. overall I think there's better potential deals out there. And rumors like that are coming from people trying to make a living off of feeding hockey fans fake/false information to generate hits. The Eklund's of the internet. Or the 12 year olds creating copy/paste facebook groups. There's zero reality to a rumor that like. Toronto has no need to trade Nylander while contending. If he walks...they take that $8-$9 mil and just spend it elsewhere. The only way a trade would be at all realistic is if the team is out of contention within 7-10 days of the trade deadline. What I find interesting is back pre-cap when there were way more ways to move players and way less restrictions...there was few outlets like we have now for information. Now we have those outlets but the system makes it nearly impossible to make big moves. But 99% of the ones we do see come from known media sources. Not from some kids facebook page. But people crave rumors and think anyone able to throw a webpage together is as credible as anyone else. I recently seen one disgustingly use a kids pre-season injury in the Q as an example of the fighting rule already failing. No standards. No ethics. Just complete and utter BS. But to some people its as credible as an Elliotte Friedmen tweet.
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