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Post by Score on May 9, 2024 10:15:53 GMT -4
I feel that Berube is the obvious choice.
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Post by scotiahockey on May 9, 2024 10:37:51 GMT -4
End. The. Shanaplan. Seeing the guy who signed Huberdeau's deal get set to spend money this summer doesn't exactly inspire confidence. They keep rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Keefe isn’t the issue and Dubas wasn’t the issue. The issue is the guy at the top. He should have been fired last year. Dubas got all the hate but Shanahan is the one calling the shots at the end of the day. No coach is coming in and making this team successful. Keefe is a good coach, the issue is with the players they put on the ice. He’s being fired not because he’s a bad coach but because the guy at the top refused to move off his core 4 and recognize they weren’t built for success.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 9, 2024 10:51:03 GMT -4
End. The. Shanaplan. Seeing the guy who signed Huberdeau's deal get set to spend money this summer doesn't exactly inspire confidence. They keep rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Keefe isn’t the issue and Dubas wasn’t the issue. The issue is the guy at the top. He should have been fired last year. Dubas got all the hate but Shanahan is the one calling the shots at the end of the day. No coach is coming in and making this team successful. Keefe is a good coach, the issue is with the players they put on the ice. He’s being fired not because he’s a bad coach but because the guy at the top refused to move off his core 4 and recognize they weren’t built for success. And lets face it...we don't want to...we didn't want to...and there's no nice way to massage it into a conversation.... But for as big of an asshole as Mike Babcock was. He knew who the problem was going to be over the years when all these guys were breaking in. The guy he tried to be the hardest on was also the guy whose story came to light before anything else immediately after Babcock was fired. In making the market a safer place for players they have also made it one that accepts major flaws as being acceptable or repairable over time. Not all are. That attitude is how complacency sets in and out of fear of taking 1 full step back you never take the 1 big step forward you need to hit the next level. Stop protecting players whose play on the ice does not deserve 1 bit of protecting when you weigh the salary into the mix.
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Post by Score on May 9, 2024 12:10:02 GMT -4
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Post by Smiley on May 9, 2024 12:26:36 GMT -4
They keep rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Keefe isn’t the issue and Dubas wasn’t the issue. The issue is the guy at the top. He should have been fired last year. Dubas got all the hate but Shanahan is the one calling the shots at the end of the day. No coach is coming in and making this team successful. Keefe is a good coach, the issue is with the players they put on the ice. He’s being fired not because he’s a bad coach but because the guy at the top refused to move off his core 4 and recognize they weren’t built for success. And lets face it...we don't want to...we didn't want to...and there's no nice way to massage it into a conversation.... But for as big of an asshole as Mike Babcock was. He knew who the problem was going to be over the years when all these guys were breaking in. The guy he tried to be the hardest on was also the guy whose story came to light before anything else immediately after Babcock was fired. In making the market a safer place for players they have also made it one that accepts major flaws as being acceptable or repairable over time. Not all are. That attitude is how complacency sets in and out of fear of taking 1 full step back you never take the 1 big step forward you need to hit the next level. Stop protecting players whose play on the ice does not deserve 1 bit of protecting when you weigh the salary into the mix. We don't even have to look at Babcock. Keefe was not getting anything more out of the players and his "breathe and have fun" speech was a F'N joke. While the problem is still at the top, I didn't see Keefe change much to try new approaches. Just look at Bowness in Winnipeg. Last year he knew he had a leadership and culture problem. He stripped the C from his captain and at the end of the last year in post season wrap up he lost it over a few players who were not committed...and not surprisingly they shipped out PLD and Wheeler who were obviously the problems. Did they win more this year, no. But they were a better team. Monty in Boston, pushed Pasta's buttons in the press this post season. Even non assholes (and coaches who are considered "Players Coaches") push the players and hold them accountable. Keefe didn't really show that trait.
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Post by Score on May 9, 2024 12:35:52 GMT -4
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Post by hal on May 9, 2024 13:16:35 GMT -4
Berube is gonna want some line up changes , small finesse players don't exactly scream his kind of Player .
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Post by bois on May 9, 2024 13:24:47 GMT -4
Was never a fan obviously but gotta respect that thank you video by Keefe
Classy
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 9, 2024 21:43:37 GMT -4
Not that Keefe is a great coach, he's pretty mediocre IMO, but he is being made the scapegoat for the Shanahan flop being a flop and TML not building a team that can win at playoff time.
-too top heavy in one way skill F on the cap -not enough skill players willing to get their noses dirty -not enough attention to goaltending
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Post by Score on May 9, 2024 21:51:53 GMT -4
It's his playoff results that got him fired.
212-97-40 regular season record.
Three consecutive 100pt seasons with a team record of 115pt season in 21-22 season.
Unfortunately.....just one playoff round win under his control.
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Post by Score on May 9, 2024 22:40:53 GMT -4
To me their top choices would be:
Berube McLellan Quenneville....risky....but still qualified. Woodcroft
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on May 9, 2024 23:09:21 GMT -4
Define their identity first then match the coach to the identity.
It's one thing to throw out names like Berube, but that roster is nothing like berube has coached or played on for that matter.
Bruce Boudreau could coach the Leafs the way they are built. But I wouldn't expect a better result in playoffs than Keefe got. They need different elements for the playoffs. That said other teams have figured this out. Florida figured it out for example - Avs figured it out...but their identity changed first.
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Post by Score on May 10, 2024 11:09:05 GMT -4
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Post by scotiahockey on May 10, 2024 13:52:01 GMT -4
Running it back with the same guy who’s been at the top since they started the rebuild but changing the pieces below him along the way just doesn’t do it for me.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 10, 2024 13:57:01 GMT -4
Running it back with the same guy who’s been at the top since they started the rebuild but changing the pieces below him along the way just doesn’t do it for me. Justifying bad decisions as the reason to keep making bad decisions. Its crazy. I knew Pelley was never making a big change this quickly. Everyone owning whats been happening for a decade is just hard to listen to.
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