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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 9:51:58 GMT -4
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Post by JEagle on Sept 19, 2023 9:51:58 GMT -4
The Shit he did in Toronto and Columbus .........did he do this type of thing in Junior , the AHL , with the Ducks or Red Wings ? or was it all just kept Hush Hush ? Article on Babcock and Former Red Wing Johan Franzen. www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5381813
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 19, 2023 10:08:38 GMT -4
The Shit he did in Toronto and Columbus .........did he do this type of thing in Junior , the AHL , with the Ducks or Red Wings ? or was it all just kept Hush Hush ? He did shit everywhere. Franzen. Commodore. Modano. Spezza. He was a bully who would embarrass hall of fame players to prove a point to his own management. It was only hush hush to those who didn't want to deal with his bullshit. But since he won a Cup and at one point was considered the best at what he does everyone forgave everything he did. So of course when he got another chance he just went back to doing things the same way...what lesson did he have to learn? Collect your $6.25 mil and go back to Saskatchewan until the NHL comes calling again. There's no lesson to learn from that.
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 10:12:35 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 19, 2023 10:12:35 GMT -4
How do those responsible for hiring Babcock , keep their jobs ? Does the owner go too? Ultimately thats who signed off. You can fire everyone from John Davidson and Jarmo Kekalainen on down but that organization would just be even worse off. Babcock was a stupid decision but when you're a franchise like Columbus you need to try something to change your path. But following that stupid decision with gutting the franchises front office right before training camp would be a huge mistake.
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 11:03:50 GMT -4
Post by hal on Sept 19, 2023 11:03:50 GMT -4
Hockey Canada put this guy in charge of Coaching the Olympic Team on a couple of occasions also I believe ......Winning Trumps All I guess . What a sad situation all around .
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 11:10:56 GMT -4
Post by Citris on Sept 19, 2023 11:10:56 GMT -4
The Shit he did in Toronto and Columbus .........did he do this type of thing in Junior , the AHL , with the Ducks or Red Wings ? or was it all just kept Hush Hush ? There's rumblings that he wasn't well liked at the University of Saskatchewan either.
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 11:27:56 GMT -4
Post by Citris on Sept 19, 2023 11:27:56 GMT -4
How do those responsible for hiring Babcock , keep their jobs ? Does the owner go too? Ultimately thats who signed off. You can fire everyone from John Davidson and Jarmo Kekalainen on down but that organization would just be even worse off. Babcock was a stupid decision but when you're a franchise like Columbus you need to try something to change your path. But following that stupid decision with gutting the franchises front office right before training camp would be a huge mistake. There's a deep seated culture problem in hockey. We all knew Babcock was a shitty person. The problem is that he's buddies with everyone in the upper echelon of hockey circles. Jarmo made a bunch of phone calls to guys he knew would give favorable reviews to Babcock so he could pretend to do his research, but what does that say about everyone involved? Jarmo knew. His references knew. When Brad Aldrich was fired from Chicago, he was given a positive reference to the U of Ohio where he sexually abused kids. A lot of the guys involved in that are still working in the NHL. They all knew. They just didn't care. There's too many people in the tight-knit club at the top of the league's power structure that enable this kind of shit, they're all buddies with each other, they're all willing to enable abuse, sex crimes and god knows what else. It's rotten to the core. What makes it even worse than it already is, is how easy it is to step outside that circle if they exercise just a modicum of creativity. Look at Pascal Vincent, look at the excitement around him getting the Head Coach job instead, why wasn't he the first choice? Because Babcock won a cup? Yea, give any coach Nik Lidstrom, Hendrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk and they could win you a cup. Big deal, what's he done in the last decade? He's not even a good coach anymore, he's a dinosaur. But he's well connected and he's a name. Also to be 100% clear - Not all crimes are equal. I think Babcock is an abusive bully and a dinosaur, but I'd still have him on a tier below Brad Aldrich or those who enabled him in the hierarchy of shitheads. "He could be worse" is a low fucking bar, but at least he's not a sex pest, so that's... a positive?
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 12:13:40 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 19, 2023 12:13:40 GMT -4
Does the owner go too? Ultimately thats who signed off. You can fire everyone from John Davidson and Jarmo Kekalainen on down but that organization would just be even worse off. Babcock was a stupid decision but when you're a franchise like Columbus you need to try something to change your path. But following that stupid decision with gutting the franchises front office right before training camp would be a huge mistake. There's a deep seated culture problem in hockey. We all knew Babcock was a shitty person. The problem is that he's buddies with everyone in the upper echelon of hockey circles. Jarmo made a bunch of phone calls to guys he knew would give favorable reviews to Babcock so he could pretend to do his research, but what does that say about everyone involved? Jarmo knew. His references knew. When Brad Aldrich was fired from Chicago, he was given a positive reference to the U of Ohio where he sexually abused kids. A lot of the guys involved in that are still working in the NHL. They all knew. They just didn't care. There's too many people in the tight-knit club at the top of the league's power structure that enable this kind of shit, they're all buddies with each other, they're all willing to enable abuse, sex crimes and god knows what else. It's rotten to the core. What makes it even worse than it already is, is how easy it is to step outside that circle if they exercise just a modicum of creativity. Look at Pascal Vincent, look at the excitement around him getting the Head Coach job instead, why wasn't he the first choice? Because Babcock won a cup? Yea, give any coach Nik Lidstrom, Hendrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk and they could win you a cup. Big deal, what's he done in the last decade? He's not even a good coach anymore, he's a dinosaur. But he's well connected and he's a name. Also to be 100% clear - Not all crimes are equal. I think Babcock is an abusive bully and a dinosaur, but I'd still have him on a tier below Brad Aldrich or those who enabled him in the hierarchy of shitheads. "He could be worse" is a low fucking bar, but at least he's not a sex pest, so that's... a positive? Hard to not think of a Ted Nolan when this stuff comes up. Basically got blackballed for going against his GM. Coach of the year but couldnt find a job for the a decade. Had to come to the Q for a season to get himself back on the NHL radar. As Babcock was pissing off the Modano's and Spezza's one thought that I couldnt help but have was that its interesting how a Nolan got ignored but Babcock didnt even lose his job over those things. It was stuff even worse. Some people have endless get out of jail free cards. Others have 1 chance to not go against the grain. The system in general is all kinds of fucked up is the only conclusion.
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 13:21:32 GMT -4
Post by Citris on Sept 19, 2023 13:21:32 GMT -4
Hard to not think of a Ted Nolan when this stuff comes up. Basically got blackballed for going against his GM. Coach of the year but couldnt find a job for the a decade. Had to come to the Q for a season to get himself back on the NHL radar. As Babcock was pissing off the Modano's and Spezza's one thought that I couldnt help but have was that its interesting how a Nolan got ignored but Babcock didnt even lose his job over those things. It was stuff even worse. Some people have endless get out of jail free cards. Others have 1 chance to not go against the grain. The system in general is all kinds of fucked up is the only conclusion. I think the difference is Babcock messed with Madano and Spezza when they were at the end of their careers and everyone knew it. He wouldn't have tried it with a 25-30 year old version of either. He picks on guys who are too young or too old to have any power. When Boone Jenner said he had a good discussion with Babcock - I believe it. He probably treated Jenner with respect.
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 13:22:20 GMT -4
Post by Citris on Sept 19, 2023 13:22:20 GMT -4
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 14:00:48 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 19, 2023 14:00:48 GMT -4
Hard to not think of a Ted Nolan when this stuff comes up. Basically got blackballed for going against his GM. Coach of the year but couldnt find a job for the a decade. Had to come to the Q for a season to get himself back on the NHL radar. As Babcock was pissing off the Modano's and Spezza's one thought that I couldnt help but have was that its interesting how a Nolan got ignored but Babcock didnt even lose his job over those things. It was stuff even worse. Some people have endless get out of jail free cards. Others have 1 chance to not go against the grain. The system in general is all kinds of fucked up is the only conclusion. I think the difference is Babcock messed with Madano and Spezza when they were at the end of their careers and everyone knew it. He wouldn't have tried it with a 25-30 year old version of either. He picks on guys who are too young or too old to have any power. When Boone Jenner said he had a good discussion with Babcock - I believe it. He probably treated Jenner with respect. Healthy scratching Spezza was a direct shot at Kyle Dubas as much as it was a shot at Spezza. Babcock didn't want Spezza. Dubas signed him anyway. So Babcock "got one over" on Kyle by making him an opening night healthy scratch. What Babcock was held out of the league for was none of that stuff. It was what he did to Marner and some of the other stories like Franzen. The guy had enough leash to hang himself multiple times and still get another job once the dust settled. Some people barely get the leash to hang themselves...
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 14:04:08 GMT -4
Post by Mika on Sept 19, 2023 14:04:08 GMT -4
That third point. Babcock wouldn't be the type to keep that a secret either. He'd no doubt out players if he found out. I hope that aspect changes though. I'd love to see players be free to be who they are.
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 14:07:41 GMT -4
Post by jimmy on Sept 19, 2023 14:07:41 GMT -4
How do those responsible for hiring Babcock , keep their jobs ? Does the owner go too? Ultimately thats who signed off. You can fire everyone from John Davidson and Jarmo Kekalainen on down but that organization would just be even worse off. Babcock was a stupid decision but when you're a franchise like Columbus you need to try something to change your path. But following that stupid decision with gutting the franchises front office right before training camp would be a huge mistake. Agree on the timing ... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some firings in the coming months. Kekalainen has to be running out of lives - how many coaches has he chewed through in the last few years? At some point, a big part of the GMs job is to hire the right guy.
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 14:08:31 GMT -4
Post by Mika on Sept 19, 2023 14:08:31 GMT -4
I think the difference is Babcock messed with Madano and Spezza when they were at the end of their careers and everyone knew it. He wouldn't have tried it with a 25-30 year old version of either. He picks on guys who are too young or too old to have any power. When Boone Jenner said he had a good discussion with Babcock - I believe it. He probably treated Jenner with respect. Healthy scratching Spezza was a direct shot at Kyle Dubas as much as it was a shot at Spezza. Babcock didn't want Spezza. Dubas signed him anyway. So Babcock "got one over" on Kyle by making him an opening night healthy scratch. What Babcock was held out of the league for was none of that stuff. It was what he did to Marner and some of the other stories like Franzen. The guy had enough leash to hang himself multiple times and still get another job once the dust settled. Some people barely get the leash to hang themselves... Scratching Modano in what would've been his 1500th game was scummy. It was a nothing game for the Wings and was obviously a huge milestone for a well liked player.
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 14:15:07 GMT -4
Post by Kingrat on Sept 19, 2023 14:15:07 GMT -4
Has Jim Houlton ever been considered for an NHL coaching position ?
8 years in Charlottetown and going on 9 / likely the best coach in our league
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Babcock
Sept 19, 2023 14:18:24 GMT -4
Post by bois on Sept 19, 2023 14:18:24 GMT -4
Has Jim Houlton ever been considered for an NHL coaching position ? 8 years in Charlottetown and going on 9 / likely the best coach in our league hush yer damn mouth
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