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Post by davo1997 on Jun 3, 2024 9:57:22 GMT -4
Should see a lot unfold tomorrow Buteau is a lock Par La band confirmed yesterday if they are wrong id be shocked.
Hopefully we see a decent center and some draft movement! should be all in on capes 4th overall imo Cameron Chartrand would look nice in Bathurst
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Post by scotiahockey on Jun 3, 2024 10:11:40 GMT -4
Should see a lot unfold tomorrow Buteau is a lock Par La band confirmed yesterday if they are wrong id be shocked. Hopefully we see a decent center and some draft movement! should be all in on capes 4th overall imo Cameron Chartrand would look nice in Bathurst He wouldn’t report to Bathurst. |
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Post by davo1997 on Jun 3, 2024 10:33:25 GMT -4
Should see a lot unfold tomorrow Buteau is a lock Par La band confirmed yesterday if they are wrong id be shocked. Hopefully we see a decent center and some draft movement! should be all in on capes 4th overall imo Cameron Chartrand would look nice in Bathurst He wouldn’t report to Bathurst. And people actually think small market teams aren't at a disadvantage. Chartrand could still report unless you spoke to him yourself but wouldnt be surprised if he did choose NCAA if we took him |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 3, 2024 10:37:46 GMT -4
He wouldn’t report to Bathurst. And people actually think small market teams aren't at a disadvantage. Chartrand could still report unless you spoke to him yourself but wouldnt be surprised if he did choose NCAA if we took him I don't think anyone thinks small market teams aren't at a disadvantage in that they're picking from a different player pool than the biggest markets. The argument is generally that picking from that different pool doesn't stop them from competing with the bigger markets on the ice. |
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 3, 2024 10:50:02 GMT -4
He wouldn’t report to Bathurst. And people actually think small market teams aren't at a disadvantage. Chartrand could still report unless you spoke to him yourself but wouldnt be surprised if he did choose NCAA if we took him The kid is playing in the US and has indicated that he is leaning NCAA. He might not report to any team. |
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Post by davo1997 on Jun 3, 2024 10:59:59 GMT -4
And people actually think small market teams aren't at a disadvantage. Chartrand could still report unless you spoke to him yourself but wouldnt be surprised if he did choose NCAA if we took him I don't think anyone thinks small market teams aren't at a disadvantage in that they're picking from a different player pool than the biggest markets. The argument is generally that picking from that different pool doesn't stop them from competing with the bigger markets on the ice. Yea I guess but if we cant pick from A+ prospects because they wont show sucks as a fan makes getting a lottery pick not worth it all we can do is trade down. Theres no doubt smaller market teams can compete it still makes it less fun as a fan |
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Post by davo1997 on Jun 3, 2024 11:02:57 GMT -4
And people actually think small market teams aren't at a disadvantage. Chartrand could still report unless you spoke to him yourself but wouldnt be surprised if he did choose NCAA if we took him The kid is playing in the US and has indicated that he is leaning NCAA. He might not report to any team. Chartrand will play in the Q SJ bound more than likely |
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Post by scotiahockey on Jun 3, 2024 11:05:21 GMT -4
I don't think anyone thinks small market teams aren't at a disadvantage in that they're picking from a different player pool than the biggest markets. The argument is generally that picking from that different pool doesn't stop them from competing with the bigger markets on the ice. Yea I guess but if we cant pick from A+ prospects because they wont show sucks as a fan makes getting a lottery pick not worth it all we can do is trade down. Theres no doubt smaller market teams can compete it still makes it less fun as a fan Then take one of the players with similar talent that will report. Everyone gets all bent about the players that won’t report but seem to forget players with similar talent that will report. I don’t even think it’s an issue with being a small market that prevents players from going there, it’s about how the organization is run. Run the organization well, show you can put players through to the next level and develop them in their time in the Q and eventually you go from a place people don’t want to be, to a destination. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 3, 2024 11:12:51 GMT -4
I don't think anyone thinks small market teams aren't at a disadvantage in that they're picking from a different player pool than the biggest markets. The argument is generally that picking from that different pool doesn't stop them from competing with the bigger markets on the ice. Yea I guess but if we cant pick from A+ prospects because they wont show sucks as a fan makes getting a lottery pick not worth it all we can do is trade down. Theres no doubt smaller market teams can compete it still makes it less fun as a fan But look at the wild development swings players are still having at that age. There's only a real elite tier of player that you're missing out on but we're talking Crosby and MacKinnon's. Players you see 1 in every 15 drafts. Otherwise these players are pretty comparable and its way more about how you develop them and the environment you're running them through on and off the ice. A+ players lose to teams full of B's all the time. Did your small market rebuilding team not just sweep a big market team that attracts all the A+ talent at the peak of its cycle? |
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Post by davo1997 on Jun 3, 2024 11:15:04 GMT -4
Yea I guess but if we cant pick from A+ prospects because they wont show sucks as a fan makes getting a lottery pick not worth it all we can do is trade down. Theres no doubt smaller market teams can compete it still makes it less fun as a fan Then take one of the players with similar talent that will report. Everyone gets all bent about the players that won’t report but seem to forget players with similar talent that will report. I don’t even think it’s an issue with being a small market that prevents players from going there, it’s about how the organization is run. Run the organization well, show you can put players through to the next level and develop them in their time in the Q and eventually you go from a place people don’t want to be, to a destination. yea I get that and it works I'm not saying that but it's nice to be able to pick from everyone on the draft list. Names like Chartrand will fill more seats. |
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Post by davo1997 on Jun 3, 2024 11:25:55 GMT -4
Yea I guess but if we cant pick from A+ prospects because they wont show sucks as a fan makes getting a lottery pick not worth it all we can do is trade down. Theres no doubt smaller market teams can compete it still makes it less fun as a fan But look at the wild development swings players are still having at that age. There's only a real elite tier of player that you're missing out on but we're talking Crosby and MacKinnon's. Players you see 1 in every 15 drafts. Otherwise these players are pretty comparable and its way more about how you develop them and the environment you're running them through on and off the ice. A+ players lose to teams full of B's all the time. Did your small market rebuilding team not just sweep a big market team that attracts all the A+ talent at the peak of its cycle? yes i agree it works and its still great competition but when you look at it from a fans perspective it sucks to here guys wont show to your team. Yes we swept Halifax But there A+ talent Furlong there best dman and captain and the 2023 mvp who put up 140 pts weren't there. that team was distracted without there best dman and forward |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 3, 2024 12:29:56 GMT -4
Then take one of the players with similar talent that will report. Everyone gets all bent about the players that won’t report but seem to forget players with similar talent that will report. I don’t even think it’s an issue with being a small market that prevents players from going there, it’s about how the organization is run. Run the organization well, show you can put players through to the next level and develop them in their time in the Q and eventually you go from a place people don’t want to be, to a destination. yea I get that and it works I'm not saying that but it's nice to be able to pick from everyone on the draft list. Names like Chartrand will fill more seats. They really won't. Team success will fill seats. There's no seat sellers in terms of talent in this draft. There's only been a few of them in the last 25 years. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 3, 2024 12:40:47 GMT -4
But look at the wild development swings players are still having at that age. There's only a real elite tier of player that you're missing out on but we're talking Crosby and MacKinnon's. Players you see 1 in every 15 drafts. Otherwise these players are pretty comparable and its way more about how you develop them and the environment you're running them through on and off the ice. A+ players lose to teams full of B's all the time. Did your small market rebuilding team not just sweep a big market team that attracts all the A+ talent at the peak of its cycle? yes i agree it works and its still great competition but when you look at it from a fans perspective it sucks to here guys wont show to your team. Yes we swept Halifax But there A+ talent Furlong there best dman and captain and the 2023 mvp who put up 140 pts weren't there. that team was distracted without there best dman and forward Why do you care about why they lost though? Did your fans stand around and not celebrate the win because Halifax was shorthanded? It sucks not every top prospect east of Ottawa wants to play in every market. But that should have nothing to do with whats happening on the ice. The QMJHL isn't about the best prospects on paper. It's about winning games on the ice. Who reports to your team contains factors you can't control. To a kid from Miramichi or Yarmouth you probably stand out as a preference as opposed to the northern Quebec teams. You take the good with the bad. I sit here and see the absolute biggest market with the absolute biggest advantage in recruitment for 20+ years having won 1 league championship. If the QMJHL and its teams success was completely tied to the kids who pick their spots I'd probably agree something more should be done. But in reality this system works to bring in great players for everyone. Who did Jordan Dumais not want to report to in his draft? Was Justin Gill a draft bluff? How many teams passed around Robert Orr? Cam Squires had no issue coming to CB. None of these guys were top picks any smart fans cared about drafting or not in their drafts. None seat sellers based on that logic. Yet I can guarantee this years Eagles team will have a considerably higher ticket count in Squires 4th year then then did in his first 3 because his team is going to be an exciting one to watch. |
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Post by davo1997 on Jun 3, 2024 13:37:15 GMT -4
yes i agree it works and its still great competition but when you look at it from a fans perspective it sucks to here guys wont show to your team. Yes we swept Halifax But there A+ talent Furlong there best dman and captain and the 2023 mvp who put up 140 pts weren't there. that team was distracted without there best dman and forward Why do you care about why they lost though? Did your fans stand around and not celebrate the win because Halifax was shorthanded? It sucks not every top prospect east of Ottawa wants to play in every market. But that should have nothing to do with whats happening on the ice. The QMJHL isn't about the best prospects on paper. It's about winning games on the ice. Who reports to your team contains factors you can't control. To a kid from Miramichi or Yarmouth you probably stand out as a preference as opposed to the northern Quebec teams. You take the good with the bad. I sit here and see the absolute biggest market with the absolute biggest advantage in recruitment for 20+ years having won 1 league championship. If the QMJHL and its teams success was completely tied to the kids who pick their spots I'd probably agree something more should be done. But in reality this system works to bring in great players for everyone. Who did Jordan Dumais not want to report to in his draft? Was Justin Gill a draft bluff? How many teams passed around Robert Orr? Cam Squires had no issue coming to CB. None of these guys were top picks any smart fans cared about drafting or not in their drafts. None seat sellers based on that logic. Yet I can guarantee this years Eagles team will have a considerably higher ticket count in Squires 4th year then then did in his first 3 because his team is going to be an exciting one to watch. I dont care why were were celebrating of course we did that just isn't my point at all though. My point is tip prospects should go where they are drafted. It sucks having your eyes set on a prospect and not getting him because he doesn't want to can't say the q works this way and say that doesn't suck. Q teams win with a balanced team I get that but doesn't change the fact that a guy saying he doesn't want to play for your team sucks I get we can still win without them but it's a lot nicer with the stars of the league Regardless of how this league works nothing can change the fact tjay it sucks when a player basically says F that team they are big enough for me |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 3, 2024 13:52:47 GMT -4
Why do you care about why they lost though? Did your fans stand around and not celebrate the win because Halifax was shorthanded? It sucks not every top prospect east of Ottawa wants to play in every market. But that should have nothing to do with whats happening on the ice. The QMJHL isn't about the best prospects on paper. It's about winning games on the ice. Who reports to your team contains factors you can't control. To a kid from Miramichi or Yarmouth you probably stand out as a preference as opposed to the northern Quebec teams. You take the good with the bad. I sit here and see the absolute biggest market with the absolute biggest advantage in recruitment for 20+ years having won 1 league championship. If the QMJHL and its teams success was completely tied to the kids who pick their spots I'd probably agree something more should be done. But in reality this system works to bring in great players for everyone. Who did Jordan Dumais not want to report to in his draft? Was Justin Gill a draft bluff? How many teams passed around Robert Orr? Cam Squires had no issue coming to CB. None of these guys were top picks any smart fans cared about drafting or not in their drafts. None seat sellers based on that logic. Yet I can guarantee this years Eagles team will have a considerably higher ticket count in Squires 4th year then then did in his first 3 because his team is going to be an exciting one to watch. I dont care why were were celebrating of course we did that just isn't my point at all though. My point is tip prospects should go where they are drafted. It sucks having your eyes set on a prospect and not getting him because he doesn't want to can't say the q works this way and say that doesn't suck. Q teams win with a balanced team I get that but doesn't change the fact that a guy saying he doesn't want to play for your team sucks I get we can still win without them but it's a lot nicer with the stars of the league Regardless of how this league works nothing can change the fact tjay it sucks when a player basically says F that team they are big enough for me NHL markets have kids refuse to go there. It sucks. It doesn't suck enough that it should effect the enjoyment of the product. That should stand alone as its own thing. In what world does absolutely no human want to pick where they live, work, or in this case play? Why would you send your kid to a market that you don't believe can help improve their career aspirations when they have considerably better options? You're looking at it as a fan. This is a $20/ticket league. Nobody cares if these kids are cut once they give up their NCAA rights. Look at it through the lense of a player or a parent trying to get your kid into the best situation possible. Now imagine Quebec is offering a full ride after the Q if pro hockey doesn't happen and the best coaching and on/off ice support and even some perks for mom and dad to visit a few times every year. And Bathurst is offering the minimum they have to offer. Its not as easy as if we pick a kid they should have to play here. Or force an opt in system that further crippled everyone else. Otherwise pick the best of the kids you have available to you who will report and if you have good coaching and made some good choices you won't care where the NCAA bluffs went. There is no fair system in any league. They all suck. Its still so much better then the alternative. Would you be happier being the team everyone wanted to play for in the Jr. A league? |
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