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Post by canbeer on Apr 26, 2024 13:48:59 GMT -4
With CB winning the draft lottery last night I can’t help but think this is their best chance at getting Cataford. I didn’t think there was a fit between these two teams for a trade involving Cataford until now. I did however think there was a possibility of another trade between the 2 teams and now I can see them making a big splash as soon as the draft. The total trade I have no idea what it would look like but a trade of Cataford, Sprynar for the 1st overall and Milota as the bones of the trade could have some meat on it. Mikita is good and I’m sure they don’t really want to give him up but Ruccia will be number 1 again and Sprynar is a goal scorer. Cataford is Halifax’s key asset and the number 1 overall pick is the key rebuilding piece. This is totally just a throw shit at the wall type trade but I could see something like this. Halifax: Cataford, Sprynar 2024 a pick in 2025 after the 2nd round. CB: 1st overall 2024, Milota, Foley. This jump starts Halifax’s rebuild and they still have their own In 2025 where they could be a lotto pick team too. Plus a high euro pick that year. And people wonder why out of towners mock trade ideas. Milota's value is much higher than this trade offer reflects. Cataford at Xmas gets you a late 1st, a 2nd, and something for the following season as a future. Cataford and a late pick getting you a 1st overall isn't happening. A late 1st, a 2nd and a future… would have to be one hell of a future. A late 1st and 2nd is the type of price you hear for great 20s, not the top or second from the top 19 year olds. Without the number 1 I don’t see a fit with CB unless the Moose are huge fans of Ricard as beyond that it’s mostly 2nds for assets from CB, unless they’re waiting until 2026 for it to really payoff. Milota wouldn’t be bad but he’s a year older than ideal.
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Post by Briwhel on Apr 26, 2024 13:53:25 GMT -4
And people wonder why out of towners mock trade ideas. Milota's value is much higher than this trade offer reflects. Cataford at Xmas gets you a late 1st, a 2nd, and something for the following season as a future. Cataford and a late pick getting you a 1st overall isn't happening. A late 1st, a 2nd and a future… would have to be one hell of a future. A late 1st and 2nd is the type of price you hear for great 20s, not the top or second from the top 19 year olds. Without the number 1 I don’t see a fit with CB unless the Moose are huge fans of Ricard as beyond that it’s mostly 2nds for assets from CB, unless they’re waiting until 2026 for it to really payoff. Milota wouldn’t be bad but he’s a year older than ideal. Top forward traded last cycle: 2021-06-23 Acadie-Bathurst Julien Bourget (2003-09-05) Alexis Dubé (2002-07-28) RD_1,2022 RD_3,2022 RD_1,2023 RD_4,2023 Chicoutimi Hendrix Lapierre (2002-02-09) RD_7,2023 You could argue that Lapierre was better than Cataford (he was definitely relatively better given that there was no Gauthier available from that draft) The equivalent from CB would be something like Ricard, the 2026 1st, a 3 and a 4.
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Post by canbeer on Apr 26, 2024 15:46:36 GMT -4
A late 1st, a 2nd and a future… would have to be one hell of a future. A late 1st and 2nd is the type of price you hear for great 20s, not the top or second from the top 19 year olds. Without the number 1 I don’t see a fit with CB unless the Moose are huge fans of Ricard as beyond that it’s mostly 2nds for assets from CB, unless they’re waiting until 2026 for it to really payoff. Milota wouldn’t be bad but he’s a year older than ideal. Top forward traded last cycle: 2021-06-23 Acadie-Bathurst Julien Bourget (2003-09-05) Alexis Dubé (2002-07-28) RD_1,2022 RD_3,2022 RD_1,2023 RD_4,2023 Chicoutimi Hendrix Lapierre (2002-02-09) RD_7,2023 You could argue that Lapierre was better than Cataford (he was definitely relatively better given that there was no Gauthier available from that draft) The equivalent from CB would be something like Ricard, the 2026 1st, a 3 and a 4. That’s sort of my point, you see without the #1 overall that Halifax would have to be massive fans of Ricard for a trade to take place. Part of it is that the 3rd and 4th wouldn’t move the needle much at all. I just don’t see a great fit in that scenario. Lapierre is a bit of a tough comparison as he was coming off an 8 goal season and 2 goals the prior year… yes covid impacted but not top years. Cataford had 40 last year and was 3rd in league scoring and 31 the year before.
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Post by Briwhel on Apr 26, 2024 15:49:46 GMT -4
Top forward traded last cycle: 2021-06-23 Acadie-Bathurst Julien Bourget (2003-09-05) Alexis Dubé (2002-07-28) RD_1,2022 RD_3,2022 RD_1,2023 RD_4,2023 Chicoutimi Hendrix Lapierre (2002-02-09) RD_7,2023 You could argue that Lapierre was better than Cataford (he was definitely relatively better given that there was no Gauthier available from that draft) The equivalent from CB would be something like Ricard, the 2026 1st, a 3 and a 4. That’s sort of my point, you see without the #1 overall that Halifax would have to be massive fans of Ricard for a trade to take place. Part of it is that the 3rd and 4th wouldn’t move the needle much at all. I just don’t see a great fit in that scenario. Lapierre is a bit of a tough comparison as he was coming off an 8 goal season and 2 goals the prior year… yes covid impacted but not top years. Cataford had 40 last year and was 3rd in league scoring and 31 the year before. Lapierre is also a better player and significantly better relative (again, Gauthier). Bathurst traded a late 1st plus a future 1st (which ended up becoming a lottery pick) plus a 3 plus 4. Dufour went for less.
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Post by Reesor on Apr 26, 2024 15:51:43 GMT -4
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Post by Briwhel on Apr 26, 2024 15:53:58 GMT -4
Good luck with that. Even with selling, Halifax might be better than SJ and Bathurst (both of whom hold 3 1sts).
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Post by moosefan1994 on Apr 26, 2024 16:05:42 GMT -4
There is a kid in Bedford who scored 54 goals in under 15 major.
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Post by canbeer on Apr 26, 2024 17:41:32 GMT -4
That’s sort of my point, you see without the #1 overall that Halifax would have to be massive fans of Ricard for a trade to take place. Part of it is that the 3rd and 4th wouldn’t move the needle much at all. I just don’t see a great fit in that scenario. Lapierre is a bit of a tough comparison as he was coming off an 8 goal season and 2 goals the prior year… yes covid impacted but not top years. Cataford had 40 last year and was 3rd in league scoring and 31 the year before. Lapierre is also a better player and significantly better relative (again, Gauthier). Bathurst traded a late 1st plus a future 1st (which ended up becoming a lottery pick) plus a 3 plus 4. Dufour went for less. Better player with 44 goals over 4 years, maybe one of the more disappointing Q careers from a player drafted at the top. Nadeau was traded the next year, he could be in that ballpark as well. Not a Memorial Cup year but still a big trade… 2x 1st rd pick 2nd rd pick Hebert (17 year old D drafted in the 2nd rd)
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Post by Reesor on Apr 26, 2024 18:53:54 GMT -4
Good luck with that. Even with selling, Halifax might be better than SJ and Bathurst (both of whom hold 3 1sts). Halifax was 15-15-2-1 back in 2020 before they sold off Groulx, Lavoie and McIsaac, then won 5 of their next 30 games. Even if they are .500 in the first half they can end up in a lottery spot in the 2nd half. Kilfoil and Levesque might be fun to watch but they aren't going to cause Halifax to win many games. If Rousseau goes at Christmas Halifax is going to be pretty bad. Only takes one pick to win the lottery. Looking at the 2025 picks, it's actually pretty scares. Moncton have none. Rimouski's two are probably going to Drummondville for Gauthier. Chicoutimi have one if they want to try and make some noise before their go-for-it year. Cape Breton have none. If Halifax wants 2025 picks they might have to get creative. They might have to stockpile 2026 picks if they're trading their top players.
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Post by themandalorian on Apr 26, 2024 19:15:16 GMT -4
There is a kid in Bedford who scored 54 goals in under 15 major.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 26, 2024 19:29:54 GMT -4
There is a kid in Bedford who scored 54 goals in under 15 major. Is this kid a beast or what? 53 goals in 33 games and 66 PIMS. How big is this guy?
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Post by randohockeyguy on Apr 26, 2024 21:43:55 GMT -4
With CB winning the draft lottery last night I can’t help but think this is their best chance at getting Cataford. I didn’t think there was a fit between these two teams for a trade involving Cataford until now. I did however think there was a possibility of another trade between the 2 teams and now I can see them making a big splash as soon as the draft. The total trade I have no idea what it would look like but a trade of Cataford, Sprynar for the 1st overall and Milota as the bones of the trade could have some meat on it. Mikita is good and I’m sure they don’t really want to give him up but Ruccia will be number 1 again and Sprynar is a goal scorer. Cataford is Halifax’s key asset and the number 1 overall pick is the key rebuilding piece. This is totally just a throw shit at the wall type trade but I could see something like this. Halifax: Cataford, Sprynar 2024 a pick in 2025 after the 2nd round. CB: 1st overall 2024, Milota, Foley. This jump starts Halifax’s rebuild and they still have their own In 2025 where they could be a lotto pick team too. Plus a high euro pick that year. that won’t happen as he’s already been traded and it ain’t CAPE Breton that’s for sure. Just FYI🤫
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Post by statsman18 on Apr 27, 2024 7:15:35 GMT -4
With CB winning the draft lottery last night I can’t help but think this is their best chance at getting Cataford. I didn’t think there was a fit between these two teams for a trade involving Cataford until now. I did however think there was a possibility of another trade between the 2 teams and now I can see them making a big splash as soon as the draft. The total trade I have no idea what it would look like but a trade of Cataford, Sprynar for the 1st overall and Milota as the bones of the trade could have some meat on it. Mikita is good and I’m sure they don’t really want to give him up but Ruccia will be number 1 again and Sprynar is a goal scorer. Cataford is Halifax’s key asset and the number 1 overall pick is the key rebuilding piece. This is totally just a throw shit at the wall type trade but I could see something like this. Halifax: Cataford, Sprynar 2024 a pick in 2025 after the 2nd round. CB: 1st overall 2024, Milota, Foley. This jump starts Halifax’s rebuild and they still have their own In 2025 where they could be a lotto pick team too. Plus a high euro pick that year. that won’t happen as he’s already been traded and it ain’t CAPE Breton that’s for sure. Just FYI🤫 So there’s only one trade that is already made and he’s no part of that. As for any other trade that could be just a hand shake agreement things can change. Key example look at Desnoyers to SJ. That as you recall was a done deal.
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Post by statsman18 on Apr 27, 2024 7:34:37 GMT -4
With CB winning the draft lottery last night I can’t help but think this is their best chance at getting Cataford. I didn’t think there was a fit between these two teams for a trade involving Cataford until now. I did however think there was a possibility of another trade between the 2 teams and now I can see them making a big splash as soon as the draft. The total trade I have no idea what it would look like but a trade of Cataford, Sprynar for the 1st overall and Milota as the bones of the trade could have some meat on it. Mikita is good and I’m sure they don’t really want to give him up but Ruccia will be number 1 again and Sprynar is a goal scorer. Cataford is Halifax’s key asset and the number 1 overall pick is the key rebuilding piece. This is totally just a throw shit at the wall type trade but I could see something like this. Halifax: Cataford, Sprynar 2024 a pick in 2025 after the 2nd round. CB: 1st overall 2024, Milota, Foley. This jump starts Halifax’s rebuild and they still have their own In 2025 where they could be a lotto pick team too. Plus a high euro pick that year. And people wonder why out of towners mock trade ideas. Milota's value is much higher than this trade offer reflects. Cataford at Xmas gets you a late 1st, a 2nd, and something for the following season as a future. Cataford and a late pick getting you a 1st overall isn't happening. A few things. First I did just say throwing shit at the wall. Also I said the bones of a trade would involve these players. Next I will admit I mixed up your euro goalie with PEI’s euro goalie. Milota had a good year and played well. But why hasn’t he played a game in the playoffs? I know he’s not there now but that’s just this round. To me it does seem like Ruccia is the guy. It doesn’t change the names from Halifax. Sprynar and Cataford help your offence greatly. Not to mention Cataford and Squires would be a dominant line together. They’d be fun to watch all year. Which brings me back to the only way I see you guys getting him is that 1st overall player. Look at Russel’s track record when it comes to these trades. This is a bargain if you only have to pay him now. If it’s in season it will be this player plus Lavoie next draft.
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Post by gocapebreton on Apr 27, 2024 8:42:39 GMT -4
And people wonder why out of towners mock trade ideas. Milota's value is much higher than this trade offer reflects. Cataford at Xmas gets you a late 1st, a 2nd, and something for the following season as a future. Cataford and a late pick getting you a 1st overall isn't happening. A few things. First I did just say throwing shit at the wall. Also I said the bones of a trade would involve these players. Next I will admit I mixed up your euro goalie with PEI’s euro goalie. Milota had a good year and played well. But why hasn’t he played a game in the playoffs? I know he’s not there now but that’s just this round. To me it does seem like Ruccia is the guy. It doesn’t change the names from Halifax. Sprynar and Cataford help your offence greatly. Not to mention Cataford and Squires would be a dominant line together. They’d be fun to watch all year. Which brings me back to the only way I see you guys getting him is that 1st overall player. Look at Russel’s track record when it comes to these trades. This is a bargain if you only have to pay him now. If it’s in season it will be this player plus Lavoie next draft. There are a lot of factors that will come into play with the value of this 1st overall. If Lawrence will choose the Q and he will play in either Halifax, SJ, or maybe for Quebec, that ups the value significantly. If he would only play for SJ well they'll get him with their 5th anyway. Is there a chance Cibulka plans to play in the Q at 20? If so, would an option to make a major deal with Shawinigan including Tourigny, and trade Schmitt? Shawinigan has the 6th overall and possibly may be eyeing a player above the three Quebec based picks at 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Anyway, loads of scenarios. Regardless, I doubt very much at mid season, pre season or any season would the Eagles trade the 1st overall plus Lavoie at the draft for Cataford and Spryner
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