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Post by chsb on Aug 29, 2007 17:11:24 GMT -4
Francoeur said on the radio and in the Paper, following yesterday's game, that there was nothing to talk about in that game, except for Legault's performance and the PK which did well. Asked what will be needed to improve, he answered the intensity level of the players. He said that from now on they would work on that plus the play systems. In other news, Gatineau seems happy with their present last 2 June drafting compared to the Years before.... In Le Droit article, they mentioned oulin who just got cut by Chicoutimi, Escott who has now left hockey altogether and Tesink who was playing on the D 3rd pairing in Bathurst last season.... not too flattering comments for Tesink.....more or less put in the same bag as 1st round flops: www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20070829/CPDROIT/70828196/5163/CPSPORTS |
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Post by lalalaprise on Aug 29, 2007 17:33:14 GMT -4
Well Tesink is a flop if you think about it...the same way Lund and MacAskill and Carle are flops. Sure Carle is out of the league, much like Poulin and Escott...but Lund/MacAskill/Tesink were expected to be much better players..although all are serviceable.
I guess it depends what your definition of flop is.
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Post by 13th tribe on Aug 29, 2007 19:11:23 GMT -4
Well Tesink is a flop if you think about it...the same way Lund and MacAskill and Carle are flops. Sure Carle is out of the league, much like Poulin and Escott...but Lund/MacAskill/Tesink were expected to be much better players..although all are serviceable. I guess it depends what your definition of flop is. Although he has done little to show otherwise, I'll give Tesink until the end of this year before I call him a flop. He hasn't been that bad, he just hasn't been a dominent player. Now is his chance to show up. Was Guy LaFleur a flop? He didn't do much his first three years in Montreal, then, well the rest is history.... Good example or not, it shows that guys can develop. The think with Tesink is he'll be 19 next year so if he doesn't break out this year he may not get a chance next year. |
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Post by seahawk on Aug 29, 2007 21:17:09 GMT -4
I don't think the Titan would give up on him as a 19. he didn't play much defense in Gateneau and only had 1/2 a season with us so far. As many have said, this is really a 19 year old league so next season we will have 4 defensemen who have played around 3 seasons each in the Q.
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Post by IslandersHKY on Aug 30, 2007 8:21:54 GMT -4
Francoeur said on the radio and in the Paper, following yesterday's game, that there was nothing to talk about in that game, except for Legault's performance and the PK which did well. Asked what will be needed to improve, he answered the intensity level of the players. He said that from now on they would work on that plus the play systems. In other news, Gatineau seems happy with their present last 2 June drafting compared to the Years before.... In Le Droit article, they mentioned oulin who just got cut by Chicoutimi, Escott who has now left hockey altogether and Tesink who was playing on the D 3rd pairing in Bathurst last season.... not too flattering comments for Tesink.....more or less put in the same bag as 1st round flops: www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20070829/CPDROIT/70828196/5163/CPSPORTSFrom Gatineau's point of view Tesink was a complete flop. He was a first round pick (#15th) overall who they were hoping would become an impact player. Instead he wasn't even really a regular in their lineup and they ended up basically trading him for a draft pick. But that doesn't mean that he is necessarily a flop from Bathurst's perspective. You guys used a draft pick to add Tesink and so far he has contributed to your team. Over the next two seasons Tesink could develop into a stable 4th/5th kind of defenseman which is worth it for Bathurst. But that doesn't change the fact that he was a flop for Gatineau. Although looking back that 2005 draft wasn't a great one for a lot of teams especially in the first round. |
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Post by chsb on Aug 30, 2007 9:43:24 GMT -4
The Acadie Nouvelle this morning mentions that Tesink will be out of the lineup for the next month following a wrist injury suffered this summer which is taking a long time to heal.
Tesink went through the training camp so far with that injury...
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Post by InsideScoop on Aug 30, 2007 10:44:28 GMT -4
He broke that same wrist last year in the playoffs and they thought it was "healed"...I don't think you can call him a flop, Gatineau drafts his a D-man...moves him to forward, and he clearly is not an offensive guy he is 6'5 215+ so it wouldn't take a genius to figure out he isn't going to be quick. When he comes back he will be what he has always been just a really steady d-man who doesn't make a lot of mistakes, and doesn't make a lot of head turning plays. everyteam needs a 4th d-man
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Post by IslandersHKY on Aug 30, 2007 10:49:07 GMT -4
He broke that same wrist last year in the playoffs and they thought it was "healed"...I don't think you can call him a flop, Gatineau drafts his a D-man...moves him to forward, and he clearly is not an offensive guy he is 6'5 215+ so it wouldn't take a genius to figure out he isn't going to be quick. When he comes back he will be what he has always been just a really steady d-man who doesn't make a lot of mistakes, and doesn't make a lot of head turning plays. everyteam needs a 4th d-man Gatineau moved him to up to play as a depth forward because he wasn't working out as a defenseman. Also team's hope that players selected in the middle of the first round will develop into top line players or defenseman. Not an average 4th or 5th defenseman. As I said from Gatineau's perspective as a 15th overall selection Tesink was a complete flop which is why they were willing to give up on him after only a year and a half. Regardless of how he does in Bathurst he was a flop from Gatineau's pespective. |
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Post by InsideScoop on Aug 30, 2007 10:55:16 GMT -4
I suppose, except being from SJ and playing against him one could always argue Gaitneau made a bad choice drafting him that high. Or you could make the case they didn't develop him properly... Its possible he needed more time to mature? I mean if i draft a kid to play D, who has played D for 16 years...Putting him as a depth forward (and i'm pretty sure he got more then depth minutes up front) isn't a great way to help him to move a long? imho
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Post by chsb on Aug 30, 2007 11:00:34 GMT -4
He broke that same wrist last year in the playoffs and they thought it was "healed"...I don't think you can call him a flop, Gatineau drafts his a D-man...moves him to forward, and he clearly is not an offensive guy he is 6'5 215+ so it wouldn't take a genius to figure out he isn't going to be quick. When he comes back he will be what he has always been just a really steady d-man who doesn't make a lot of mistakes, and doesn't make a lot of head turning plays. everyteam needs a 4th d-man Gatineau moved him to up to play as a depth forward because he wasn't working out as a defenseman. Also team's hope that players selected in the middle of the first round will develop into top line players or defenseman. Not an average 4th or 5th defenseman. As I said from Gatineau's perspective as a 15th overall selection Tesink was a complete flop which is why they were willing to give up on him after only a year and a half. Regardless of how he does in Bathurst he was a flop from Gatineau's pespective. Tesink will give the Titan his services for the next 3 years, plus he can actually evolve into a top-3 D-man down the road as he is only 18 this season. The Titan also have 2 former first round picks, Desnoyers and Sigouin, who could become top-3 Ds. I am not gonna throw the towel in Tesink's case and he is a very good team player. This being said, no doubt that there were plenty of cases where that happened on a lot of teams.... I can think of Malouin in PEI, Lund,MacAskill........ Sawyer did not develop into a top-3 D before reaching 19 YO. I would say the Titan do give ice time to their Ds to develop. If not they trade them like they did with MA Dorion and Lamontagne. I am very confident to see all 3 of these former first round picks become dominant by nest season. And we also have Blanchard, Renaud and Tannel in the system. I am curious to see how Chamberland evolves this season. IMPO the outoftowners really underestimate the defensive capability of the Titan team. |
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Post by chsb on Aug 30, 2007 11:03:03 GMT -4
I suppose, except being from SJ and playing against him one could always argue Gaitneau made a bad choice drafting him that high. Or you could make the case they didn't develop him properly... Its possible he needed more time to mature? I mean if i draft a kid to play D, who has played D for 16 years...Putting him as a depth forward (and i'm pretty sure he got more then depth minutes up front) isn't a great way to help him to move a long? imho Gatineau missed the boat on a lot of players in the last few years....Walker,Brophy,Morrison,Graham,Escott,Tesink....and they were all from the East. I for one do not consider them as the gospel of hockey development. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 30, 2007 11:10:36 GMT -4
Gatineau moved him to up to play as a depth forward because he wasn't working out as a defenseman. Also team's hope that players selected in the middle of the first round will develop into top line players or defenseman. Not an average 4th or 5th defenseman. As I said from Gatineau's perspective as a 15th overall selection Tesink was a complete flop which is why they were willing to give up on him after only a year and a half. Regardless of how he does in Bathurst he was a flop from Gatineau's pespective. Tesink will give the Titan his services for the next 3 years, plus he can actually evolve into a top-3 D-man down the road as he is only 18 this season. The Titan also have 2 former first round picks, Desnoyers and Sigouin, who could become top-3 Ds. I am not gonna throw the towel in Tesink's case and he is a very good team player. This being said, no doubt that there were plenty of cases where that happened on a lot of teams.... I can think of Malouin in PEI, Lund,MacAskill........ Sawyer did not develop into a top-3 D before reaching 19 YO. I would say the Titan do give ice time to their Ds to develop. If not they trade them like they did with MA Dorion and Lamontagne. I am very confident to see all 3 of these former first round picks become dominant by nest season. And we also have Blanchard, Renaud and Tannel in the system. I am curious to see how Chamberland evolves this season. IMPO the outoftowners really underestimate the defensive capability of the Titan team. You are making it sound like Larie is your only proven top 3 guy and you are hoping that Desnoyers Sigouin Tesink and Chamberland could develop into top 3 guys...how is that any different than out of towners questionning the depth of your defense after Labrie? The only reason you think people understmate your players is you expect the best case scenario in every case. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 30, 2007 11:14:15 GMT -4
I suppose, except being from SJ and playing against him one could always argue Gaitneau made a bad choice drafting him that high. Or you could make the case they didn't develop him properly... Its possible he needed more time to mature? I mean if i draft a kid to play D, who has played D for 16 years...Putting him as a depth forward (and i'm pretty sure he got more then depth minutes up front) isn't a great way to help him to move a long? imho Gatineau missed the boat on a lot of players in the last few years....Walker,Brophy,Morrison,Graham,Escott,Tesink....and they were all from the East. I for one do not consider them as the gospel of hockey development. Gatineau has never been a great drafting team, they have had their share of busts and more since I started following the Q. It's the Giroux trade(getting Talbot) plus adding quality FA's each year that has helped them be a perennial contender in the early 2000's. |
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Post by chsb on Aug 30, 2007 11:18:38 GMT -4
Tesink will give the Titan his services for the next 3 years, plus he can actually evolve into a top-3 D-man down the road as he is only 18 this season. The Titan also have 2 former first round picks, Desnoyers and Sigouin, who could become top-3 Ds. I am not gonna throw the towel in Tesink's case and he is a very good team player. This being said, no doubt that there were plenty of cases where that happened on a lot of teams.... I can think of Malouin in PEI, Lund,MacAskill........ Sawyer did not develop into a top-3 D before reaching 19 YO. I would say the Titan do give ice time to their Ds to develop. If not they trade them like they did with MA Dorion and Lamontagne. I am very confident to see all 3 of these former first round picks become dominant by nest season. And we also have Blanchard, Renaud and Tannel in the system. I am curious to see how Chamberland evolves this season. IMPO the outoftowners really underestimate the defensive capability of the Titan team. You are making it sound like Larie is your only proven top 3 guy and you are hoping that Desnoyers Sigouin Tesink and Chamberland could develop into top 3 guys...how is that any different than out of towners questionning the depth of your defense after Labrie? The only reason you think people understmate your players is you expect the best case scenario in every case. I will at least give them till Christmas to prove that they can be top-3 contrary to out of towners like you...... Sigouin has showed good signs last 2nd half and the jury is still out on Desnoyers. Tesink will take more time to develop. I do believe that the Titan got on hand what it will take to succeed defensively. Funny that you hail the Huskies as a great defensive team with the likes of Quayle,Bourdon and Lebreton. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 30, 2007 11:26:10 GMT -4
You are making it sound like Larie is your only proven top 3 guy and you are hoping that Desnoyers Sigouin Tesink and Chamberland could develop into top 3 guys...how is that any different than out of towners questionning the depth of your defense after Labrie? The only reason you think people understmate your players is you expect the best case scenario in every case. I will at least give them till Christmas to prove that they can be top-3 contrary to out of towners like you...... Sigouin has showed good signs last 2nd half and the jury is still out on Desnoyers. Tesink will take more time to develop. I do believe that the Titan got on hand what it will take to succeed defensively. Funny that you hail the Huskies as a great defensive team with the likes of Quayle,Bourdon and Lebreton. They are getting a chance to prove themselves wether you or I want them to or not. Bottom line at this point it's an unknown. Just like Moncton has a lot of question marks on defense(minus Labrie). The Huskies have a very good defense, but it's not all about defensive play, like Carle, Vishnevskiy will contribue a lot to the offensive numbers of his team. Bourdon Quaile had solid years last year...Lepine is one of the best tough/stay at home guys in the Q. Ouskun is a very good #4 or 5...not sure who is Lebreton? |
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