Dimitruk

[senators19]

sec21critic said:

senators19 said:

I never saw him play with the Alpines or in Europe for that matter so you could be right but it looks like both Yandle and Burdon will be in the NHL before him.

Calgary offered him a contract... but 'ol Frank felt it was a blow to his dignity. Insulted at the offer, he went home to Germany and became a living legend. In 2001, a German magazine named Strütz (like People Magazine over here) voted Frank Appel the second most popular man in his home country, behind only David Hasselhoff. He is as reverred for his play on the ice as he is his demeanor off the ice and many European scouts feel he's one of the better defencemen NOT in the NHL.

I believe he was drafted the same year as Ottawa took Radek Bonk. Too bad Appel did not stay in the NHL and Bonk go to Europe instead.

[SteveUL]

jayden15 said:

just so you no....Alexei Tezikov is still playing in russia....all i ment is dont compare Dimitruk to someone thats not even made it in to the nhl yet...thats all....because really you dont no if yandle will or wont be.....but lets say yandle doesnt make it...all you did was compare Dimitruk to a d-man that went no where.....you never no.....thats why its never good to compare hockey players....it could blow up in your face...P.S. Dimitruk is alot better now at 17 than yandle will ever be.....so there is no need to compare....anyways...this was fun...lol...

Your logic is garbage.

To us Dimutrik is a Q player (we hope) ... as was Yandle. In the Q ... in Moncton ... Yandle was one of the very best Dmen we have had the pleasure of watching in his one year stay here. If Dimitruk can achieve the level of play that Yandle exhibited here then Demitruk will be a very successful Q player.

It doesn't matter what Demitruk and Yandle do after they leave the Q ... its what they do in the Q that matters to us ... and that is the basis of the comparison.

[SteveUL]

sec21critic said:

senators19 said:

I never saw him play with the Alpines or in Europe for that matter so you could be right but it looks like both Yandle and Burdon will be in the NHL before him.

Calgary offered him a contract... but 'ol Frank felt it was a blow to his dignity. Insulted at the offer, he went home to Germany and became a living legend. In 2001, a German magazine named Strütz (like People Magazine over here) voted Frank Appel the second most popular man in his home country, behind only David Hasselhoff. He is as reverred for his play on the ice as he is his demeanor off the ice and many European scouts feel he's one of the better defencemen NOT in the NHL.

Germans get very little respect in North American pro hockey circles ... he would have been a Norris Trophy candidate after just a few seasons in the NHL ... and a very marketable commodity for the NHL ... sort of a Dion Phaneuf type of player.

[sec21critic]

steveul said:

sec21critic said:

Calgary offered him a contract... but 'ol Frank felt it was a blow to his dignity. Insulted at the offer, he went home to Germany and became a living legend. In 2001, a German magazine named Strütz (like People Magazine over here) voted Frank Appel the second most popular man in his home country, behind only David Hasselhoff. He is as reverred for his play on the ice as he is his demeanor off the ice and many European scouts feel he's one of the better defencemen NOT in the NHL.

Germans get very little respect in North American pro hockey circles ... he would have been a Norris Trophy candidate after just a few seasons in the NHL ... and a very marketable commodity for the NHL ... sort of a Dion Phaneuf type of player.

I vaugely remember hearing a few years back that Minnesota was attempting to sign him during their first year in the NHL. Big dman (think he was 6'6") and highly proficient defensively... exactly the player to fit a Jacques Lemaire-coached team's mold. However, he was pretty settled down in Germany by then (think he was with the Essen Mosquitoes) and though the NHL contract was for more money, it wasn't enough to lure Appel back to North America.

I was also reading somewhere where the Mosquitos were planning on retiring Frank's jersey this year. A few years from now, I wouldn't be surprised if the rink over there was named after him. He really did have that sort of impact.

As a Moncton fan, I feel more than proud to know Frank Appel played his one season of North American hockey in this city. Talent like that doesn't just grow on trees.

[curtis]

So in Hodge's article today Flynn suggested that up to four of the FA d-men will make the team. Does this tell us anything about Dimitruk's plans?

[mikeb]

steveul said:

hockeyfan99 said:

You certainly have an interesting perspective Steve although clearly not in touch with the realities of the rest of the league. And I do find it funny how you paint Irving and Moncton's Management as simply caring more about their players and other owners simply being greedy and wanting to keep their money.

The truth is if Irving really did care about his players that much then he would offer the same education package to all his players and not a huge amount for Brown and MacAusland, a big amount Piaonsi, some incentives for others and the basic for the rest.

And the reality is that as was discussed at great length on Moosetalk a while ago there are significant financial disparities between teams like Quebec, Halifax, Moncton and other teams like PEI. And most teams simply can't afford those kind of additional incentives to attract the top players which creates an inbalance which has been growing and will continue to grow.

And so while I agree with Sec 21 that on one hand at least attracting the top players to the Q is good for the league. I also think it is a bad thing that more and more then are always ending up with the same teams and IMO it is more important to maintain for the league to maintain a competitive balance. What worries me is that more and more the Q seems to be heading closer to the baseball model where the same 5 or 6 teams are in contention every season with a few middle teams and the rest are your perennial basement teams. And is what is going to happen if this trend continues.


Anyway I am not trying to turn this into a Moncton is bad because they are using their money to create the best product possible because that is what they should be doing and if PEI had Moncton's financial resources I would expect our GM to do the same.

Having said that as I was reading the quote which stated that Dimitruk left awaiting an agreement on his "educational package" (wink, wink) it had me thinking about all of the players on Moncton's current and past roster who basically weren't available to most of the league.

As I said, the Wildcats would be a much much different team if they really were on an even footing with the other teams.

The reality of the real world is that you often have to spend money to be able to make any money ... and its too bad that some of the smaller market owners don't grasp that. Even when it comes to marketing ... too many teams are not using the power of the newspaper article to create a buzz about their team. It may take the team investing in part of the salary of fulltime (10 months) reporter that travels with the team ... but that type of investment will pay off big in attendance.

Moncton has also been very aggressive in bringing in FA players to fill in holes during rebuilding years ... and most of those players cost nothing more than travel expenses ... but its that hard work (compared to other teams) that has allowed Moncton to stay competitive (top 5 in the standings) for 5 yrs in a row now. Other teams choose to just take their lumps all year instead of bringing in FA's to fill in some holes ... and I'm glad I don't have to follow a team like that.

**cough cough gag gag**

I'm sure it was that exceptional scouting that noticed MacAusland and Brown when all the other teams missed them.

[mikeb]

jayden15 said:

its the same way that everyone praises yandle, and he may never go anywhere....Burdon will be in the nhl for sure.....2006 San Antonio AHL 69 6 28 34 -15 97.....this is last year for yandle....not bad in the ahl....doesnt mean hes nhl meterial.....thats all.....you just never no...Dimitruk may not go anywhere either, but the kid at 17 is very hockey smart for his age...and he should...i mean should get better....thats all....wow its like talking to die hard ottawa fans in here....lol.....

Bourdon may not make the NHL. Vancouver is not impressed with him. They are looking to dump him.

[jimmy]

curtis said:

So in Hodge's article today Flynn suggested that up to four of the FA d-men will make the team. Does this tell us anything about Dimitruk's plans?

IMO, no. The article suggested between 2 and 4 FA defensemen will make the team. It is probably safe to assume that if Demitruk comes there is one less opening ... but still within the two to four range ....

[CatsFan]

mikeb said:

jayden15 said:

its the same way that everyone praises yandle, and he may never go anywhere....Burdon will be in the nhl for sure.....2006 San Antonio AHL 69 6 28 34 -15 97.....this is last year for yandle....not bad in the ahl....doesnt mean hes nhl meterial.....thats all.....you just never no...Dimitruk may not go anywhere either, but the kid at 17 is very hockey smart for his age...and he should...i mean should get better....thats all....wow its like talking to die hard ottawa fans in here....lol.....

Bourdon may not make the NHL. Vancouver is not impressed with him. They are looking to dump him.

In all likelyhood, I think you'll see Bourdon in the AHL this year. I really don't know if he is quite ready for the NHL.

[gongshow]

sec21critic said:

steveul said:

Germans get very little respect in North American pro hockey circles ... he would have been a Norris Trophy candidate after just a few seasons in the NHL ... and a very marketable commodity for the NHL ... sort of a Dion Phaneuf type of player.

I vaugely remember hearing a few years back that Minnesota was attempting to sign him during their first year in the NHL. Big dman (think he was 6'6") and highly proficient defensively... exactly the player to fit a Jacques Lemaire-coached team's mold. However, he was pretty settled down in Germany by then (think he was with the Essen Mosquitoes) and though the NHL contract was for more money, it wasn't enough to lure Appel back to North America.

I was also reading somewhere where the Mosquitos were planning on retiring Frank's jersey this year. A few years from now, I wouldn't be surprised if the rink over there was named after him. He really did have that sort of impact.

As a Moncton fan, I feel more than proud to know Frank Appel played his one season of North American hockey in this city. Talent like that doesn't just grow on trees.

Either your pulling chains,or I don't remember the same Frank Appel.....not to say he was garbage by any means but I don't remember him being exceptionnal either.To be classed in the same sentence as Keith Yandle I don't think so.

Also I vaguely remember something about him being injured(wrist or hand injury)and missing a bunch of games....so maybe that's why I remember him as a bit of a disapointement.Also I often forget what I did yesterday so i could've just forgot all together what kind of player he was considering it was 12 years ago

[SteveUL]

mikeb said:

steveul said:

The reality of the real world is that you often have to spend money to be able to make any money ... and its too bad that some of the smaller market owners don't grasp that. Even when it comes to marketing ... too many teams are not using the power of the newspaper article to create a buzz about their team. It may take the team investing in part of the salary of fulltime (10 months) reporter that travels with the team ... but that type of investment will pay off big in attendance.

Moncton has also been very aggressive in bringing in FA players to fill in holes during rebuilding years ... and most of those players cost nothing more than travel expenses ... but its that hard work (compared to other teams) that has allowed Moncton to stay competitive (top 5 in the standings) for 5 yrs in a row now. Other teams choose to just take their lumps all year instead of bringing in FA's to fill in some holes ... and I'm glad I don't have to follow a team like that.

**cough cough gag gag**

I'm sure it was that exceptional scouting that noticed MacAusland and Brown when all the other teams missed them.

Anybody can spot the obvious ones ... but if you read closely ... maybe following along with your finger ... you'll see I was not referring to those players.

[sec21critic]

gongshow said:

sec21critic said:

I vaugely remember hearing a few years back that Minnesota was attempting to sign him during their first year in the NHL. Big dman (think he was 6'6") and highly proficient defensively... exactly the player to fit a Jacques Lemaire-coached team's mold. However, he was pretty settled down in Germany by then (think he was with the Essen Mosquitoes) and though the NHL contract was for more money, it wasn't enough to lure Appel back to North America.

I was also reading somewhere where the Mosquitos were planning on retiring Frank's jersey this year. A few years from now, I wouldn't be surprised if the rink over there was named after him. He really did have that sort of impact.

As a Moncton fan, I feel more than proud to know Frank Appel played his one season of North American hockey in this city. Talent like that doesn't just grow on trees.

Either your pulling chains,or I don't remember the same Frank Appel.....not to say he was garbage by any means but I don't remember him being exceptionnal either.To be classed in the same sentence as Keith Yandle I don't think so.

Also I vaguely remember something about him being injured(wrist or hand injury)and missing a bunch of games....so maybe that's why I remember him as a bit of a disapointement.Also I often forget what I did yesterday so i could've just forgot all together what kind of player he was considering it was 12 years ago

The injury really got in his way that year. Calgary tried to lowball him over it.

[Captain Obvious]

mikeb said:

jayden15 said:

its the same way that everyone praises yandle, and he may never go anywhere....Burdon will be in the nhl for sure.....2006 San Antonio AHL 69 6 28 34 -15 97.....this is last year for yandle....not bad in the ahl....doesnt mean hes nhl meterial.....thats all.....you just never no...Dimitruk may not go anywhere either, but the kid at 17 is very hockey smart for his age...and he should...i mean should get better....thats all....wow its like talking to die hard ottawa fans in here....lol.....

Bourdon may not make the NHL. Vancouver is not impressed with him. They are looking to dump him.

They must be pretty impressed they have him penciled in as battling for the 6th spot on defense next year.

[Optimus Reim]

Dimitruk should be in the lineup according to the T and T tonight. This is very good news.

[Captain Obvious]

ace said:

Dimitruk should be in the lineup according to the T and T tonight. This is very good news.

Yes L'Acadie Nouvelle said he's on his way back after picking up his stuff. Suddenly the defense looks very good for 08-09 and
09-10...Barberio Pianosi Baca Dimitruk plus Wilson is 18 and looking very solid.