|
|
Post by SteveUL on Oct 9, 2007 13:17:32 GMT -4
Even when he have the puck in deep we are not getting the puck to the front of the net ... and if we do its a pass that nobody can handle ... or there is nobody there ready to bang it in. We are a brutal passing team ... forwards and defense ... and you can't create offense if you can't give and receive passes effectively. Do you think it's a case of either lack of ability or talent, or just squeezing the stick too hard (or trying to do too much, inexperience)? I'm really not sure....I think the underlying skill is there. As for breakouts, I fully agree with what everyone else is saying....it's not just getting the PP started, it's a problem in all game situations. I wonder if the Welton bashers still feel the same way after watching our current crop fumble around with the puck....we got accustomed to having a veteran 20 yo d-man do most of the puck handling, either Welton or MacDonald. I don't see us having any difficulty getting the puck into the other team's end and sustaining pressure. But our pressure is all spent cycling the puck on the boards ... when we go to pass it to the front of the net the pass is picked off ... or its knee high and nobody can handle it. I don't see us having any trouble getting the puck out of our own end either ... the forwards are usually the ones grabbing up the loose pucks and turning it up ice ... and we have no trouble gaining the red line. We don't have the skill up front to carry the puck into the offensive zone and maintain control ... or at least that is what we have shown. Yes our Dmen lack alot to be desired when it comes to puck control and passing as well ... but I don't see that breakout pass being a problem. All of our offensive problems stem from our weak passing game ... PP and 5 on 5. Squeezing the stick too hard ? Nope ... its the same problem we faced last year ... even with Welton and MacDonald ... our guys up front aren't very gifted offensively ... and they can't give and receive passes effectively ... cure/improve the passing woes and you help the offense. |
|
|
|
Post by gongshow on Oct 9, 2007 13:36:36 GMT -4
One problem I noticed on the pp vs the Remparts was Marquardt on the point....WTF?....on the point you want a guy who handles and moves the puck well(he doesn't),who has a good one-timer(he doesn't) and a crisp passer that gets the puck down low.....plus with Marquardt's mediocre speed they'd be in deep trouble if he was caught as the last man back.With all that said he'd be one of the last forwards I would experiment with on the point.
I know Flynn is probably trying everything(which he should)but I really don't see what he's thinking with this experiment........Marquardt's a goal scorer...effective in close where he can get the big wristshot off up high.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2007 13:37:54 GMT -4
Do you think it's a case of either lack of ability or talent, or just squeezing the stick too hard (or trying to do too much, inexperience)? I'm really not sure....I think the underlying skill is there. As for breakouts, I fully agree with what everyone else is saying....it's not just getting the PP started, it's a problem in all game situations. I wonder if the Welton bashers still feel the same way after watching our current crop fumble around with the puck....we got accustomed to having a veteran 20 yo d-man do most of the puck handling, either Welton or MacDonald. I don't see us having any difficulty getting the puck into the other team's end and sustaining pressure. But our pressure is all spent cycling the puck on the boards ... when we go to pass it to the front of the net the pass is picked off ... or its knee high and nobody can handle it. I don't see us having any trouble getting the puck out of our own end either ... the forwards are usually the ones grabbing up the loose pucks and turning it up ice ... and we have no trouble gaining the red line. We don't have the skill up front to carry the puck into the offensive zone and maintain control ... or at least that is what we have shown. Yes our Dmen lack alot to be desired when it comes to puck control and passing as well ... but I don't see that breakout pass being a problem. All of our offensive problems stem from our weak passing game ... PP and 5 on 5. Squeezing the stick too hard ? Nope ... its the same problem we faced last year ... even with Welton and MacDonald ... our guys up front aren't very gifted offensively ... and they can't give and receive passes effectively ... cure/improve the passing woes and you help the offense. Maybe they should join the Peewee hockey teams when they practice passing the pucks |
|
|
|
Post by curtis on Oct 9, 2007 13:50:08 GMT -4
One problem I noticed on the pp vs the Remparts was Marquardt on the point....WTF?....on the point you want a guy who handles and moves the puck well(he doesn't),who has a good one-timer(he doesn't) and a crisp passer that gets the puck down low.....plus with Marquardt's mediocre speed they'd be in deep trouble if he was caught as the last man back.With all that said he'd be one of the last forwards I would experiment with on the point. I know Flynn is probably trying everything(which he should)but I really don't see what he's thinking with this experiment........Marquardt's a goal scorer...effective in close where he can get the big wristshot off up high. I only noticed Marquardt on the point the past few games when it was a 5 on 3 situation....much less likely to get into trouble playing a forward on the point in that case. I'm still an advocate of using your best combination of five players out there....not necessarily 3 forwards and 2 d-men. Nothing wrong with trying forwards whith a good shot at the point, or a big d-man with good hands in front of the net. In our case, I think an extra forward with the mobility to get back defensively manning one of the the points (like Cameron or Bezak) might not be a bad thing to try. |
|
|
|
Post by gongshow on Oct 9, 2007 14:03:57 GMT -4
One problem I noticed on the pp vs the Remparts was Marquardt on the point....WTF?....on the point you want a guy who handles and moves the puck well(he doesn't),who has a good one-timer(he doesn't) and a crisp passer that gets the puck down low.....plus with Marquardt's mediocre speed they'd be in deep trouble if he was caught as the last man back.With all that said he'd be one of the last forwards I would experiment with on the point. I know Flynn is probably trying everything(which he should)but I really don't see what he's thinking with this experiment........Marquardt's a goal scorer...effective in close where he can get the big wristshot off up high. I only noticed Marquardt on the point the past few games when it was a 5 on 3 situation....much less likely to get into trouble playing a forward on the point in that case. I'm still an advocate of using your best combination of five players out there....not necessarily 3 forwards and 2 d-men. Nothing wrong with trying forwards whith a good shot at the point, or a big d-man with good hands in front of the net. In our case, I think an extra forward with the mobility to get back defensively manning one of the the points (like Cameron or Bezak) might not be a bad thing to try. I agree with the best combination of 5 players sometimes.....personnally I too like the idea of 4 forwards 1 d-man(unless you have a Bisaillon-Letang type pairing)obviously then it would be pointless.But I think you're missing my point.....Marquardt has a good wristshot and a so-so slapper that he rarely ever uses and seems awkward when he does.I don't think his shot is good enough to offset the fact that he's not a good playmaker at all....like I said his strenght is in the slot where he can get the big wrister off and put it top shelf. Its different than having a guy like Pineault on the point and just keep feeding him so he can let off a booming slapshot that's very hard for a goaltender to control the rebounds...Marquardt doesn't have that booming slap-shot and like it or not a wrist shot from the blueline doesn't give out much for a rebound. |
|
|
|
Post by curtis on Oct 9, 2007 14:18:48 GMT -4
I only noticed Marquardt on the point the past few games when it was a 5 on 3 situation....much less likely to get into trouble playing a forward on the point in that case. I'm still an advocate of using your best combination of five players out there....not necessarily 3 forwards and 2 d-men. Nothing wrong with trying forwards whith a good shot at the point, or a big d-man with good hands in front of the net. In our case, I think an extra forward with the mobility to get back defensively manning one of the the points (like Cameron or Bezak) might not be a bad thing to try. I agree with the best combination of 5 players sometimes.....personnally I too like the idea of 4 forwards 1 d-man(unless you have a Bisaillon-Letang type pairing)obviously then it would be pointless.But I think you're missing my point.....Marquardt has a good wristshot and a so-so slapper that he rarely ever uses and seems awkward when he does.I don't think his shot is good enough to offset the fact that he's not a good playmaker at all....like I said his strenght is in the slot where he can get the big wrister off and put it top shelf. Its different than having a guy like Pineault on the point and just keep feeding him so he can let off a booming slapshot that's very hard for a goaltender to control the rebounds...Marquardt doesn't have that booming slap-shot and like it or not a wrist shot from the blueline doesn't give out much for a rebound. No, I agree, the best place for Marquardt isn't at the point....I was just noting that he was only there on 5 on 3's. We're still spoiled from watching the 05/06 PP operate....what a show that was....just deadly. |
|
|
|
Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 9, 2007 14:25:00 GMT -4
Do you think it's a case of either lack of ability or talent, or just squeezing the stick too hard (or trying to do too much, inexperience)? I'm really not sure....I think the underlying skill is there. As for breakouts, I fully agree with what everyone else is saying....it's not just getting the PP started, it's a problem in all game situations. I wonder if the Welton bashers still feel the same way after watching our current crop fumble around with the puck....we got accustomed to having a veteran 20 yo d-man do most of the puck handling, either Welton or MacDonald. I don't see us having any difficulty getting the puck into the other team's end and sustaining pressure. But our pressure is all spent cycling the puck on the boards ... when we go to pass it to the front of the net the pass is picked off ... or its knee high and nobody can handle it. I don't see us having any trouble getting the puck out of our own end either ... the forwards are usually the ones grabbing up the loose pucks and turning it up ice ... and we have no trouble gaining the red line. We don't have the skill up front to carry the puck into the offensive zone and maintain control ... or at least that is what we have shown. Yes our Dmen lack alot to be desired when it comes to puck control and passing as well ... but I don't see that breakout pass being a problem. All of our offensive problems stem from our weak passing game ... PP and 5 on 5. Squeezing the stick too hard ? Nope ... its the same problem we faced last year ... even with Welton and MacDonald ... our guys up front aren't very gifted offensively ... and they can't give and receive passes effectively ... cure/improve the passing woes and you help the offense. They kill about 45 seconds on every PP waiting for the centermen to go behind the net and move the puck up the ice, same set play every time. |
|
|
|
Post by SteveUL on Oct 9, 2007 14:31:16 GMT -4
I don't see us having any difficulty getting the puck into the other team's end and sustaining pressure. But our pressure is all spent cycling the puck on the boards ... when we go to pass it to the front of the net the pass is picked off ... or its knee high and nobody can handle it. I don't see us having any trouble getting the puck out of our own end either ... the forwards are usually the ones grabbing up the loose pucks and turning it up ice ... and we have no trouble gaining the red line. We don't have the skill up front to carry the puck into the offensive zone and maintain control ... or at least that is what we have shown. Yes our Dmen lack alot to be desired when it comes to puck control and passing as well ... but I don't see that breakout pass being a problem. All of our offensive problems stem from our weak passing game ... PP and 5 on 5. Squeezing the stick too hard ? Nope ... its the same problem we faced last year ... even with Welton and MacDonald ... our guys up front aren't very gifted offensively ... and they can't give and receive passes effectively ... cure/improve the passing woes and you help the offense. They kill about 45 seconds on every PP waiting for the centermen to go behind the net and move the puck up the ice, same set play every time. Yes they do ... but in general we don't have any trouble getting the puck out of our own end ... once we cross the red line we just don't know what to do with the puck. |
|
|
|
Post by sec21critic on Oct 9, 2007 14:56:28 GMT -4
I only noticed Marquardt on the point the past few games when it was a 5 on 3 situation....much less likely to get into trouble playing a forward on the point in that case. I'm still an advocate of using your best combination of five players out there....not necessarily 3 forwards and 2 d-men. Nothing wrong with trying forwards whith a good shot at the point, or a big d-man with good hands in front of the net. In our case, I think an extra forward with the mobility to get back defensively manning one of the the points (like Cameron or Bezak) might not be a bad thing to try. I agree with the best combination of 5 players sometimes.....personnally I too like the idea of 4 forwards 1 d-man(unless you have a Bisaillon-Letang type pairing)obviously then it would be pointless.But I think you're missing my point.....Marquardt has a good wristshot and a so-so slapper that he rarely ever uses and seems awkward when he does.I don't think his shot is good enough to offset the fact that he's not a good playmaker at all....like I said his strenght is in the slot where he can get the big wrister off and put it top shelf. Its different than having a guy like Pineault on the point and just keep feeding him so he can let off a booming slapshot that's very hard for a goaltender to control the rebounds...Marquardt doesn't have that booming slap-shot and like it or not a wrist shot from the blueline doesn't give out much for a rebound. Put Magnan at the point, in that case... he's got the ability to be an offensive catalyst from back there either will good low point shots or decent passing ability... plus he's much more accountable defensively this year if there is a breakdown. Combine that with either Pianosi or Barberio or Eastman as the other point man, Bezak on one side, Lessard or Eagles on the other and Marquardt in front... might be worth a shot. |
|
|
|
Post by jimmy on Oct 9, 2007 15:07:51 GMT -4
I agree with the best combination of 5 players sometimes.....personnally I too like the idea of 4 forwards 1 d-man(unless you have a Bisaillon-Letang type pairing)obviously then it would be pointless.But I think you're missing my point.....Marquardt has a good wristshot and a so-so slapper that he rarely ever uses and seems awkward when he does.I don't think his shot is good enough to offset the fact that he's not a good playmaker at all....like I said his strenght is in the slot where he can get the big wrister off and put it top shelf. Its different than having a guy like Pineault on the point and just keep feeding him so he can let off a booming slapshot that's very hard for a goaltender to control the rebounds...Marquardt doesn't have that booming slap-shot and like it or not a wrist shot from the blueline doesn't give out much for a rebound. Put Magnan at the point, in that case... he's got the ability to be an offensive catalyst from back there either will good low point shots or decent passing ability... plus he's much more accountable defensively this year if there is a breakdown. Combine that with either Pianosi or Barberio or Eastman as the other point man, Bezak on one side, Lessard or Eagles on the other and Marquardt in front... might be worth a shot. I agree with the Mangan idea ... I suggested the same last season ... he is our best playmaker by far IMO - I think they tried it for a game on the road earlier this year, and for whatever reason haven't gone back to it. Anyone think MacAusland might have an immediate impact on our PP? |
|
|
|
Post by curtis on Oct 9, 2007 15:20:00 GMT -4
I think MacAusland would be good on the power play, did he play on it against Lewiston? I didn't get to follow much of the game.
I would definitely like to see him given a chance, but many coaches make players "earn" special teams time. Hopefully Flynn will place him on the 2nd unit right away.
|
|
|
|
Post by SteveUL on Oct 9, 2007 16:41:45 GMT -4
I think MacAusland would be good on the power play, did he play on it against Lewiston? I didn't get to follow much of the game. I would definitely like to see him given a chance, but many coaches make players "earn" special teams time. Hopefully Flynn will place him on the 2nd unit right away. If you didn't see him play on Sunday ... and you haven't seen him play anything more than intra-squad (if that) ... why would you want him on the PP right away ? |
|
|
|
Post by curtis on Oct 9, 2007 17:46:12 GMT -4
I think MacAusland would be good on the power play, did he play on it against Lewiston? I didn't get to follow much of the game. I would definitely like to see him given a chance, but many coaches make players "earn" special teams time. Hopefully Flynn will place him on the 2nd unit right away. If you didn't see him play on Sunday ... and you haven't seen him play anything more than intra-squad (if that) ... why would you want him on the PP right away ? I've bought into the hype hook, line, and sinker. ;D If his game is playmaking, why not give him a shot on the power play? |
|
|
|
Post by Penguins23® on Oct 9, 2007 20:31:11 GMT -4
If you didn't see him play on Sunday ... and you haven't seen him play anything more than intra-squad (if that) ... why would you want him on the PP right away ? I've bought into the hype hook, line, and sinker. ;D If his game is playmaking, why not give him a shot on the power play? Let's look at our problems here on the power play, we're inexperienced and nervous with the puck. Don't think he helps us on any of that. |
|
|
|
Post by SteveUL on Oct 10, 2007 7:16:19 GMT -4
One of the biggest problems we have with our PP is that it gets to practice against our PK ... the PP looks great in practice.  |
|
