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Post by hockey1981 on Oct 23, 2007 11:51:56 GMT -4
Goaltenders
Jonathan Bernier (LEW)
Raffaele D’Orso (VDO)
Nicola Riopel (MON)
Defensemen
Simon Després (SNB)
Yann Sauvé (SNB)
Mark Barberio (MON)
Kevin Marshall (LEW)
Alex Grant (SNB)
Andrew Bodnarchuk (HAL)
Steven Delisle (GAT)
Mathieu Bolduc (CHI)
Sébastien Piché (SHA)
Forwards
Brad Marchand (VDO)
Angelo Esposito (QUE)
Claude Giroux (GAT)
David Perron (LEW)
Keven Veilleux (VIC)
Logan McMillan (HAL)
Christopher DiDomenico (SNB)
Mathieu Perreault (BAT)
James Sheppard (CAP)
François Bouchard (BAC)
Philippe Cornet (RIM)
Kelsey Tessier (QUE)
Benjamin Breault (BAC)
Joël Champagne (CHI)
Ryan Hillier (HAL)
congrats to Riopel & Barberio for making team
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Post by CatsFan on Oct 23, 2007 15:19:41 GMT -4
Goaltenders Jonathan Bernier (LEW) Raffaele D’Orso (VDO) Nicola Riopel (MON) Defensemen Simon Després (SNB) Yann Sauvé (SNB) Mark Barberio (MON) Kevin Marshall (LEW) Alex Grant (SNB) Andrew Bodnarchuk (HAL) Steven Delisle (GAT) Mathieu Bolduc (CHI) Sébastien Piché (SHA) Forwards Brad Marchand (VDO) Angelo Esposito (QUE) Claude Giroux (GAT) David Perron (LEW) Keven Veilleux (VIC) Logan McMillan (HAL) Christopher DiDomenico (SNB) Mathieu Perreault (BAT) James Sheppard (CAP) François Bouchard (BAC) Philippe Cornet (RIM) Kelsey Tessier (QUE) Benjamin Breault (BAC) Joël Champagne (CHI) Ryan Hillier (HAL) congrats to Riopel & Barberio for making team Weird that Perron and Sheppard are there when they aren't even in the Q.. |
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Post by AceKikr on Oct 23, 2007 15:35:34 GMT -4
Goaltenders Jonathan Bernier (LEW) Raffaele D’Orso (VDO) Nicola Riopel (MON) Defensemen Simon Després (SNB) Yann Sauvé (SNB) Mark Barberio (MON) Kevin Marshall (LEW) Alex Grant (SNB) Andrew Bodnarchuk (HAL) Steven Delisle (GAT) Mathieu Bolduc (CHI) Sébastien Piché (SHA) Forwards Brad Marchand (VDO) Angelo Esposito (QUE) Claude Giroux (GAT) David Perron (LEW) Keven Veilleux (VIC) Logan McMillan (HAL) Christopher DiDomenico (SNB) Mathieu Perreault (BAT) James Sheppard (CAP) François Bouchard (BAC) Philippe Cornet (RIM) Kelsey Tessier (QUE) Benjamin Breault (BAC) Joël Champagne (CHI) Ryan Hillier (HAL) congrats to Riopel & Barberio for making team Weird that Perron and Sheppard are there when they aren't even in the Q.. Pardon Monsieur? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 23, 2007 16:15:30 GMT -4
Geez Moncton has 2 players and the powerhouse Titan only have 1...  |
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Post by major on Oct 23, 2007 16:31:26 GMT -4
Geez Moncton has 2 players and the powerhouse Titan only have 1... Great to see the Sea Dogs lead the way with four players. ;D |
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Post by Doublesnipers on Oct 23, 2007 20:37:59 GMT -4
I wouldn't expect anything less, with three or four first overall picks in your lineup. I'd be dissapointed if there weren't that many there and upset with the teams draft choices Geez Moncton has 2 players and the powerhouse Titan only have 1... Great to see the Sea Dogs lead the way with four players. ;D |
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Post by canucklehead on Oct 23, 2007 23:23:27 GMT -4
I wouldn't expect anything less, with three or four first overall picks in your lineup. I'd be dissapointed if there weren't that many there and upset with the teams draft choices Great to see the Sea Dogs lead the way with four players. ;D  and the sour grapes continue we ere an expansion team so the first year was a given but why bother explaining this yet again but you do realize the team was built from nothing right? |
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Post by Doublesnipers on Oct 24, 2007 6:34:45 GMT -4
Im not sour but tell me then if your using the excuse that you were built from nothing, why then was St John's able to find players and at least compete to some degree in all seasons yet the Dogs tanked. Now You are loaded with first round talent but had to endure terrible seasons prior. What is the difference between the two teams, you were both created at the same time??
Were you not a frustrated fan that your expansion sister was able to compete while you continually lost, I would be, but now of course you are full of great players, however it cost you the first couple seasons when you were trying to develop a fan base and a market.
It just brings a thought to the back of my mind everytime I see these two teams. It seems one was willing to do the work, find some immediate help and compete at a relatively normal level year after year, while the other teams management or whomever said why put in the work, if we stink we select the first overall pick. I will work once the talent comes to me, I wont go find the talent.
Just my thoughts after watching these two, seriously not trying to offend you.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 24, 2007 9:04:36 GMT -4
Im not sour but tell me then if your using the excuse that you were built from nothing, why then was St John's able to find players and at least compete to some degree in all seasons yet the Dogs tanked. Now You are loaded with first round talent but had to endure terrible seasons prior. What is the difference between the two teams, you were both created at the same time?? Were you not a frustrated fan that your expansion sister was able to compete while you continually lost, I would be, but now of course you are full of great players, however it cost you the first couple seasons when you were trying to develop a fan base and a market. It just brings a thought to the back of my mind everytime I see these two teams. It seems one was willing to do the work, find some immediate help and compete at a relatively normal level year after year, while the other teams management or whomever said why put in the work, if we stink we select the first overall pick. I will work once the talent comes to me, I wont go find the talent. Just my thoughts after watching these two, seriously not trying to offend you. Thats a very uninformed position ... the Fog Devils made the playoffs because they were slightly better than the Seadogs .... or a better way of putting it is they sucked just a little less. Who cares which team was slightly better in years one and two ... both teams did nothing anyway. No expansion team is expected to do anything in their 1st couple of years ... its a time to develop your team ... on and off the ice. When you start from the bottom of the barrel it will take any team a good 3 years before they are a competitive team again. Saint John has had growing pains (Moncton did too when it joined the Q) but have built a solid team and a solid franchise through patience. Now SJ is clearly the better franchise of the two teams we use to call expansion teams ... they aren't expansion teams anymore. SJ has also surpassed Moncton in Avg attendance on the year ... I think they have done very well in building their franchise. |
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Post by mikeb on Oct 24, 2007 9:09:58 GMT -4
Im not sour but tell me then if your using the excuse that you were built from nothing, why then was St John's able to find players and at least compete to some degree in all seasons yet the Dogs tanked. Now You are loaded with first round talent but had to endure terrible seasons prior. What is the difference between the two teams, you were both created at the same time?? Were you not a frustrated fan that your expansion sister was able to compete while you continually lost, I would be, but now of course you are full of great players, however it cost you the first couple seasons when you were trying to develop a fan base and a market. It just brings a thought to the back of my mind everytime I see these two teams. It seems one was willing to do the work, find some immediate help and compete at a relatively normal level year after year, while the other teams management or whomever said why put in the work, if we stink we select the first overall pick. I will work once the talent comes to me, I wont go find the talent. Just my thoughts after watching these two, seriously not trying to offend you. One team decided that a team that would squeak into the playoffs and be such a team for 3 years and more is more desirable than biting the bullet for 2 years and then have a team that will be very competitive for several years. I'd take the Sea Dog approach any day. The Fog Devils do not look better for next year nor the year after that. 4 years or more of fighting to make the 2nd to last playoff spot vs 2 year out of the playoffs and then fighting for home ice in the playoffs for the next 3 years. One approach is based on developing a successful team the other on perpetrating barely competitive teams. |
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Post by gongshow on Oct 24, 2007 10:24:29 GMT -4
Im not sour but tell me then if your using the excuse that you were built from nothing, why then was St John's able to find players and at least compete to some degree in all seasons yet the Dogs tanked. Now You are loaded with first round talent but had to endure terrible seasons prior. What is the difference between the two teams, you were both created at the same time?? Were you not a frustrated fan that your expansion sister was able to compete while you continually lost, I would be, but now of course you are full of great players, however it cost you the first couple seasons when you were trying to develop a fan base and a market. It just brings a thought to the back of my mind everytime I see these two teams. It seems one was willing to do the work, find some immediate help and compete at a relatively normal level year after year, while the other teams management or whomever said why put in the work, if we stink we select the first overall pick. I will work once the talent comes to me, I wont go find the talent. Just my thoughts after watching these two, seriously not trying to offend you. One team decided that a team that would squeak into the playoffs and be such a team for 3 years and more is more desirable than biting the bullet for 2 years and then have a team that will be very competitive for several years. I'd take the Sea Dog approach any day. The Fog Devils do not look better for next year nor the year after that. 4 years or more of fighting to make the 2nd to last playoff spot vs 2 year out of the playoffs and then fighting for home ice in the playoffs for the next 3 years. One approach is based on developing a successful team the other on perpetrating barely competitive teams. I think you and Steve have said it perfect.....very hard to disagree with any of that. Personnally the 1st two years these teams were in the league I didn't find one was any better than the other to watch.....but this year I actually look forward to seeing the sea dogs...meanwhile the foggies still don't draw any interest from me when they come to town. |
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Post by major on Oct 24, 2007 20:47:32 GMT -4
Yes I was a frustrated fan the first couple of years and I'm not afraid to say that but waiting it out the last couple of years was well worth it. If you look at the two teams rosters now you can easily see the Sea Dogs built the better team.
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Post by Dman on Oct 24, 2007 21:49:13 GMT -4
Yes I was a frustrated fan the first couple of years and I'm not afraid to say that but waiting it out the last couple of years was well worth it. If you look at the two teams rosters now you can easily see the Sea Dogs built the better team. As I am sure you are aware, one of the problems when an AHL team leaves a market and is replaced by a major junior team, is the AHL fans vowing not to support the major junior team. Perhaps St. John's had more pressure from fans than you guys and were forced to ice, what they felt was, a more competitive team today, and didn't pay much attention to the future knowing that if they don't fill the seats, there may not be a future (it almost happened to Moncton's first Q team). |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 25, 2007 7:16:18 GMT -4
Yes I was a frustrated fan the first couple of years and I'm not afraid to say that but waiting it out the last couple of years was well worth it. If you look at the two teams rosters now you can easily see the Sea Dogs built the better team. As I am sure you are aware, one of the problems when an AHL team leaves a market and is replaced by a major junior team, is the AHL fans vowing not to support the major junior team. Perhaps St. John's had more pressure from fans than you guys and were forced to ice, what they felt was, a more competitive team today, and didn't pay much attention to the future knowing that if they don't fill the seats, there may not be a future (it almost happened to Moncton's first Q team). Sorry to burst your bubble, but St.John also had an AHL team right before the Sea Dogs arrived. |
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Post by jimmy on Oct 25, 2007 7:36:45 GMT -4
As I am sure you are aware, one of the problems when an AHL team leaves a market and is replaced by a major junior team, is the AHL fans vowing not to support the major junior team. Perhaps St. John's had more pressure from fans than you guys and were forced to ice, what they felt was, a more competitive team today, and didn't pay much attention to the future knowing that if they don't fill the seats, there may not be a future (it almost happened to Moncton's first Q team). Sorry to burst your bubble, but St.John also had an AHL team right before the Sea Dogs arrived. Actually, didn't Saint John have a year or two with no hockey between the time the Flames left and the Sea Dogs arrived? It is an interesting theory, I had never really thought of it - personally I don't put too much stock in it, but interesting nonetheless. |
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