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Post by chillywack on Nov 20, 2007 16:21:27 GMT -4
Would we really want to trade Hooper to an Eastern division team, that could come back at bite us in the ass in the playoffs?
Remember, he doesn't want to play in Quebec because he wanted to attend an English university..
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Post by dogbert on Nov 20, 2007 16:42:31 GMT -4
As much as I love Hooper and Howes, we need them to keep piling up points so we can move them for younger forwards. Their loss for next year will be hard for the offense to overcome if we don't get something back in return for them. I'm leaning the ssame way. These guys are turning into two great assets. Do we try for a deep run this year or next year? Making a run now has a very low chance of success IMO. Halifax, CB, and Bathurst will be gearing up. Us doing the same will be throwing away assets. One interesting idea is selling them as a pair. They are playing together, so theoretically the chemistry increases their value. One wild idea is to send them to Quebec for our #1 draft pick back and maybe do a Euro-exchange at the same time, Stich for Stefanovich. We'd get a 20D back too. *ok ideas, go away now  * |
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Post by dogbert on Nov 20, 2007 16:44:09 GMT -4
Would we really want to trade Hooper to an Eastern division team, that could come back at bite us in the ass in the playoffs? Remember, he doesn't want to play in Quebec because he wanted to attend an English university.. JB tends not to let players desires get in his way |
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Post by killer on Nov 20, 2007 16:51:12 GMT -4
As much as I love Hooper and Howes, we need them to keep piling up points so we can move them for younger forwards. Their loss for next year will be hard for the offense to overcome if we don't get something back in return for them. I'm leaning the ssame way. These guys are turning into two great assets. Do we try for a deep run this year or next year? Making a run now has a very low chance of success IMO. Halifax, CB, and Bathurst will be gearing up. Us doing the same will be throwing away assets. One interesting idea is selling them as a pair. They are playing together, so theoretically the chemistry increases their value. One wild idea is to send them to Quebec for our #1 draft pick back and maybe do a Euro-exchange at the same time, Stich for Stefanovich. We'd get a 20D back too. *ok ideas, go away now * CB will not be gearing up for a run, they are overachieving much like Moncton did last season and are starting to fall back down to earth now Your ideas really need to go away............ It is difficult to move one 20 year old but to move 2 as a package is a massive stretch. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 20, 2007 17:06:47 GMT -4
It won't be easy to move 20s, most teams who are going for it have their overagers set already and moving the veterans creates problems with team chemistry.
It's not often high-end 20s are moved over the period, it happens but it's not often.
you're more likely to finish the season with both of them than you are to move them.
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Post by chillywack on Nov 20, 2007 17:18:35 GMT -4
Would we really want to trade Hooper to an Eastern division team, that could come back at bite us in the ass in the playoffs? Remember, he doesn't want to play in Quebec because he wanted to attend an English university.. JB tends not to let players desires get in his way Well, when it comes to players desires, what other team could want/afford Picard in the east? If he is traded to a West team, he won't show up, so I'm sure the West teams won't offer much, if anything for him. |
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Post by berner on Nov 20, 2007 20:57:27 GMT -4
It won't be easy to move 20s, most teams who are going for it have their overagers set already and moving the veterans creates problems with team chemistry. It's not often high-end 20s are moved over the period, it happens but it's not often. you're more likely to finish the season with both of them than you are to move them. I agree - I doubt very highly that either Picard or Howes are moved over the trade period. And I see no problem with that. Who knows how far the Dogs could go in the playoffs, and any experience in the post-season is gonna help the likes of Grant, Sauve and Dido (the whole squad for that matter) prepare for a deeper run next season. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Nov 20, 2007 21:21:51 GMT -4
Then we're in trouble for next year which is supposed to be a "go for it" year. If we keep Howes and Hooper (and you may be right that we can't get anything or a good value and have to keep them), we don't have them for next year. Thats a good chunk of offense right there. We'll also be losing Gauthier, Gallant and McNeil (all not likely to be back as 20's). All our offense is pretty much the Dido-Sparling-Liske line (assuming Liske is kept as a 20 considering his health issues). We can expect guys like Anthony, Kirkpatrick, Stoddard to step up a bit from this year, but to the level of the guys we lost? I don't think so. Not close to Howes/Hooper level.
Trading picks for talent becomes difficult...we already traded away our 1st rounder for the upcoming draft along with some other early picks. Hard to make something happen there. Hmm. Have to see what JB is able to pull off I guess. Next year is a long way off.
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Post by J4M13 on Nov 21, 2007 6:26:39 GMT -4
It's not like Picard-Hooper and Howes were homegrown. If we need upgrades at 20 next year, I'm sure JB can find guys as good or better next year...
If there's one thing JB has shown, it's that he's not married to any one particular lineup, so I could see him trading just about anyone, if the return is good...
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Post by reddogbluedog on Nov 21, 2007 9:11:09 GMT -4
I think Thomas has more to show but when you are playing with Gallant who is either in the penalty box or icing the puck it is hard to display any offensive skills. However for now Thomas is a banger because that is what JB wants him to do and he fills that role quite well. However that is just my opinion.
Liske as a 20 I don't think so. Gallant as a 20 no way. But trading them gets us nothing. Gauthier as a 20 I do not see that either but he might fetch you something in return. Who are we going to get that will will make our top two lines any better? No sense trading for third and fourth line guys because they do not play much anyway. We either move guys up from within or we trade to build for next year. As far as improving what we have I think that we are in good shape but that we will tire down the stretch. It is actaully fun going to the rink again. Is there a place on any of the contenders for a 20 year old forward?
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Nov 21, 2007 11:05:34 GMT -4
It's not like Picard-Hooper and Howes were homegrown. If we need upgrades at 20 next year, I'm sure JB can find guys as good or better next year... If there's one thing JB has shown, it's that he's not married to any one particular lineup, so I could see him trading just about anyone, if the return is good... That they weren't homegrown isn't the issue. We had to pay to get those two and to get better than that next year, pay again. Oh yeah. Hooper was about as top-end as it gets. Hard to find better than a 90-100 point per year guy. Only reason we got him as cheap as we did is he wanted out of Quebec and into an English spot. Oh yeah. We're not finished paying for him yet as you can bet we're sending something to Baie Comeau come Xmas. What I am getting at is you can't continuously pay to acquire players that are around for 1 year without getting a return back, be it from them or elsewhere. Eventually you run out of early round draft picks and blue chip prospects to trade. This wasn't a "go for it year". That was next year according to this plan we kept hearing about over and over when we were sucking those first 2 years. I am interested to see how we replace a Hooper, Howes, Gauthier, Gallant, McNeil, Liske, etc next year when we don't have a 1st round draft pick, a 3rd rounder, and I forget what other rounds if any we already traded away. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 21, 2007 11:12:43 GMT -4
IIs there a place on any of the contenders for a 20 year old forward? They are pretty much set: Halifax: Swan, Pridham and Pelltier (Pridham's ankle may be a concern but in that case Halifax need a 20yo D more than a forward. Their offence is good enough, especially with strong rumours of a Marchand trade) R-N: Sniderman, Lepine, Hawes. (They'll probably stick to what they got, They can upgrade on Hawes but i doubt it - and Western anyway) Bat: Laberge, Svoboda, Labrie (They often revolve 20s but i think they'll stick with that - Probably not enough of an upgrade to justify giving up assests) BaC: Paquet, Dorion, Morier (Morier can be upgraded but those are two of the best dmen in the league. Picard-Hooper can't go there anyway) Gat: Mior, Bernier, Smith (They may upgrade on Smith but again it's doubtful. Depends how serious they are) Que: Desfosses, Ryan, Bergeron, Lacroix (They already have one two many) But all in all I just don't think teams are looking to change the 20 situations, the wants will be 18/19yo players. |
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Post by joey on Nov 21, 2007 11:33:02 GMT -4
I think Thomas has more to show but when you are playing with Gallant who is either in the penalty box or icing the puck it is hard to display any offensive skills. However for now Thomas is a banger because that is what JB wants him to do and he fills that role quite well. However that is just my opinion. Liske as a 20 I don't think so. Gallant as a 20 no way. But trading them gets us nothing. Gauthier as a 20 I do not see that either but he might fetch you something in return. Who are we going to get that will will make our top two lines any better? No sense trading for third and fourth line guys because they do not play much anyway. We either move guys up from within or we trade to build for next year. As far as improving what we have I think that we are in good shape but that we will tire down the stretch. It is actaully fun going to the rink again. Is there a place on any of the contenders for a 20 year old forward? Mrs Thomas,You should send Jacques a email and let him know that Brett is also holding him back from making the Nhl and would like to see him on the top line where he deserves to be. LOL. What a crock. Thomas is good at doing what he does why dont you except that. The last game he played in Moncton he got the shit kicked out of him by Boyles.Gallant is their to make sure that does not happen every night.Ease off Gallant and end This self promotion on this board is getting kind of pathatic. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Nov 21, 2007 11:36:44 GMT -4
IIs there a place on any of the contenders for a 20 year old forward? R-N: Sniderman, Lepine, Hawes. (They'll probably stick to what they got, They can upgrade on Hawes but i doubt it - and Western anyway) But all in all I just don't think teams are looking to change the 20 situations, the wants will be 18/19yo players. Rouyn: You think they'll go with Sniderman the rest of the way? Not too familiar with how the people running Rouyn typically operate but I'd be looking to snag a Blanchard from Victo, or poking at Lewiston on the price for Bernier. They get an excellent goalie and they'll be tough to beat. And you are likely very correct on your assessment on the 20 year old situation, which sucks for us as we sure could use picking up some of those 18-19 year olds everyone wants. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 21, 2007 11:44:47 GMT -4
R-N: Sniderman, Lepine, Hawes. (They'll probably stick to what they got, They can upgrade on Hawes but i doubt it - and Western anyway) But all in all I just don't think teams are looking to change the 20 situations, the wants will be 18/19yo players. Rouyn: You think they'll go with Sniderman the rest of the way? Not too familiar with how the people running Rouyn typically operate but I'd be looking to snag a Blanchard from Victo, or poking at Lewiston on the price for Bernier. They get an excellent goalie and they'll be tough to beat. And you are likely very correct on your assessment on the 20 year old situation, which sucks for us as we sure could use picking up some of those 18-19 year olds everyone wants. It depends how he plays really but before I expected them to go for Blanchard (But that was with Blouin) I think they'll certainly enquire about him and Bernier. I don't expect Lewiston to move Bernier though, it doenst seem to be in their philosophy and they'd also likely put a price on him no-one will pay. Bernier gives Lewiston a chance to win a couple of rounds as I think they'll be top four in the Division. |
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