TRADING PERIOD LESS THAN 1 MONTH AWAY...

[dogbert]

catatonicmoose said:

reddogbluedog said:

IIs there a place on any of the contenders for a 20 year old forward?

They are pretty much set:

Halifax: Swan, Pridham and Pelltier (Pridham's ankle may be a concern but in that case Halifax need a 20yo D more than a forward. Their offence is good enough, especially with strong rumours of a Marchand trade)

R-N: Sniderman, Lepine, Hawes. (They'll probably stick to what they got, They can upgrade on Hawes but i doubt it - and Western anyway)

Bat: Laberge, Svoboda, Labrie (They often revolve 20s but i think they'll stick with that - Probably not enough of an upgrade to justify giving up assests)

BaC: Paquet, Dorion, Morier (Morier can be upgraded but those are two of the best dmen in the league. Picard-Hooper can't go there anyway)

Gat: Mior, Bernier, Smith (They may upgrade on Smith but again it's doubtful. Depends how serious they are)

Que: Desfosses, Ryan, Bergeron, Lacroix (They already have one two many)

But all in all I just don't think teams are looking to change the 20 situations, the wants will be 18/19yo players.

The CB-BAT trade smells. There must be more to it. Labrie with 20 3 8 11 38 -3 is pretty meager for a 20. If Hooper is not actually against going to a french town, him for Labrie, maybe Critchlow, and a pick via CB.

[Y Ddraig Goch]

dogbert said:

catatonicmoose said:

They are pretty much set:

Halifax: Swan, Pridham and Pelltier (Pridham's ankle may be a concern but in that case Halifax need a 20yo D more than a forward. Their offence is good enough, especially with strong rumours of a Marchand trade)

R-N: Sniderman, Lepine, Hawes. (They'll probably stick to what they got, They can upgrade on Hawes but i doubt it - and Western anyway)

Bat: Laberge, Svoboda, Labrie (They often revolve 20s but i think they'll stick with that - Probably not enough of an upgrade to justify giving up assests)

BaC: Paquet, Dorion, Morier (Morier can be upgraded but those are two of the best dmen in the league. Picard-Hooper can't go there anyway)

Gat: Mior, Bernier, Smith (They may upgrade on Smith but again it's doubtful. Depends how serious they are)

Que: Desfosses, Ryan, Bergeron, Lacroix (They already have one two many)

But all in all I just don't think teams are looking to change the 20 situations, the wants will be 18/19yo players.

The CB-BAT trade smells. There must be more to it. Labrie with 20 3 8 11 38 -3 is pretty meager for a 20. If Hooper is not actually against going to a french town, him for Labrie, maybe Critchlow, and a pick via CB.

They aren't going to do that. Bathurst's biggest hole is on defence, so they aren't going to trade their best defenceman for a forward as it'll just make their biggest hole a great deal weaker. And they've got two top-end centres anyway.

[Judas In My Mind]

Only place I can think of that could use a Hooper as they have a 20 slot that could use an upgrade, is PEI. They fit the English speaking area too that Hooper desires. Only problem is with PEI currently in last place I doubt they become "buyers", unless they get on a really long winning streak or something. That and their biggest weakness also seems to be on defense so if they go looking for anything it would likely be that.

[dogbert]

I can't see any productive moves happening. I really think JB wants to go deep this year to make a name for himself. A third year franchise in the semis or finals is unheard of. The NHL would take notice. Ownership wants a winner now too. Much more effort has gone into making this year's team competetive vs. gearing up for next year.

[reddogbluedog]

Joey Joey Joey you are kidding right. If you call called that a fight I don't know. It did not even get a mention in the posts for the game. I know you love Brett and I hope you are happy together this year becuase he is gone for sure. If we are going to trade we are not going to get anyone any better than what we have. Hooper and Howes are both excellent 20's. If we trade for picks then we will have to move some of the guys we have up a line or two to try them out. It is not like we have a ton of players waiting in the fans to get in. I would look at moving Liske who is a liability with his injuries and only 3 goals this year and I would look at Charland who has only 9 points this year. They might be able to add something to a third line on a contending team. Name one other palyer that we have to move up in our line up. Thomas is it, if there was someone else I would be promoting them but he is all that we have. It sure as hell won't be Gallant or Langan. Unless you know of someone on the team that I am unawre of?

Mrs Thomas,You should send Jacques a email and let him know that Brett is also holding him back from making the Nhl and would like to see him on the top line where he deserves to be. LOL. What a crock. Thomas is good at doing what he does why dont you except that. The last game he played in Moncton he got the shit kicked out of him by Boyles.Gallant is their to make sure that does not happen every night.Ease off Gallant and end This self promotion on this board is getting kind of pathatic.[/quote]

[juliansteed]

I can't see us trading our 20's, unless we really start to fall in the standings between now and then. Sure it make sence to build for next year when it should really be our year to go for it, which is why I had mixed feeling about acquiring these guys in the first place. But given the fact we did trade for them I think the idea was to help us take a huge step forward this year. Hopefully we dont find out that he paid too much for them.

[P-O]

What are the chances a guy like Kevin Desfossés interest St-Jean?

You guys have a great defence... a great offence.

All you guys need is a goalie and some depth offensively.

I was wondering if we send you Desfossés and Poirier (19yo forward).. what would you guys be willing to pay?

I was also wondering since next year it is the last year of Alex Grant in the junior, if at the draft, we would send you back your first round pick and we get Grant on his 19 years old.

So the trade would be Desfossés (best goalie in the Q atm) + Poirier (off depth) + 1rst rounder (SNB) vs X + Grant

[markofthebeast]

Grant will be back in the Q as a 20 no real worries about that. And the only thing I think Saint John needs right now is 1 or 2 more 2 way forwards to make a deep run. But we still have to see how the 20's have affected the team trade wise.

[chillywack]

poquebec said:

What are the chances a guy like Kevin Desfossés interest St-Jean?

You guys have a great defence... a great offence.

All you guys need is a goalie and some depth offensively.

I was wondering if we send you Desfossés and Poirier (19yo forward).. what would you guys be willing to pay?

I was also wondering since next year it is the last year of Alex Grant in the junior, if at the draft, we would send you back your first round pick and we get Grant on his 19 years old.

So the trade would be Desfossés (best goalie in the Q atm) + Poirier (off depth) + 1rst rounder (SNB) vs X + Grant

Oh, no. You guys already have Espositio. No way in hell are you getting Grant .

[elementz]

I can't see JB making any major moves, maybe a minor one or two.

[Judas In My Mind]

elementz said:

I can't see JB making any major moves, maybe a minor one or two.

I'm just hoping the rumors of Amyot being gone to Baie Comeau from that Hooper deal are false. If there is truth to that, JB will need to go get a 5-6 type Dman for sure.

Otherwise yeah. I think JB does nothing major at the deadline. Most of our moves I think are ones that have already been done, just can't be announced, from the Hooper/Howes deals. (although I doubt we're giving anything else up for Howes. I think the picks were enough.)

[gongshow]

joey said:

reddogbluedog said:

I think Thomas has more to show but when you are playing with Gallant who is either in the penalty box or icing the puck it is hard to display any offensive skills. However for now Thomas is a banger because that is what JB wants him to do and he fills that role quite well. However that is just my opinion.

Liske as a 20 I don't think so. Gallant as a 20 no way. But trading them gets us nothing. Gauthier as a 20 I do not see that either but he might fetch you something in return. Who are we going to get that will will make our top two lines any better? No sense trading for third and fourth line guys because they do not play much anyway. We either move guys up from within or we trade to build for next year. As far as improving what we have I think that we are in good shape but that we will tire down the stretch. It is actaully fun going to the rink again. Is there a place on any of the contenders for a 20 year old forward?

Mrs Thomas,You should send Jacques a email and let him know that Brett is also holding him back from making the Nhl and would like to see him on the top line where he deserves to be. LOL. What a crock. Thomas is good at doing what he does why dont you except that. The last game he played in Moncton he got the shit kicked out of him by Boyles.Gallant is their to make sure that does not happen every night.Ease off Gallant and end This self promotion on this board is getting kind of pathatic.

::)I don't know why i'm gonna bother but what the hell.

I was at that game and Thomas was on the ice for probably at least a minute before that fight happened....he was obviously gassed but did his thing anyway by standing up for himself after a beauty hit on Lessard.And he didn't get his ass kicked by Boyle..if I remember correctly he got hit with 3-4 body shots and then they fell.

[canucklehead]

There's nothing really saying that there is more and it may not be that much when it comes to Picard the list of places likely was very small. Just judging by the timing of certain things like JB saying how he wanted a 100pt type player then all of a sudden PH wants to play in an english speaking city.

I think BC realized that they might as well get something for him and sent him to the Sea Dogs. Maybe there might be something going back but personally I don't think it's Amyot if it is then I'm sure he's gonna be picking up another D man to replace Amyot. JB is very high on having a strong defense so I don't see him moving Amyot without at least getting one somewhere else.

As for who I think could be dealt I would start with Liske although I think JB really doesn't wanna part ways with him. Kirkpatrick has been mentioned a few times as a possible option in the past. Gauthier and Charland seem like the other 2 choices to possible be moved to a team seeking more depth.

Anyone could be packaged for a player and picks gotta figure some picks will likely be coming our way. 1 thing is for sure I don't see JB building this team for a run this year just to build himself up because NHL clubs are not that dumb they'll be able to tell if he built a team for 1 decent year only to see them fall flat the next year! JB's not building a team just to build himself up I don't buy that for a second.

[Judas In My Mind]

I don't think anyone really said JB is loading up for this year and crapping away the future. My only issue is I look at what we'll have next year without making moves, and what picks we'll have available and are already traded away....we need forwards for next year in what has always been labeled as a "go for it year" for us since day one of existence. It makes sense too because the Mem Cup is hosted by the Q, so is possible you can still sneak in there without winning the Q itself (ala Quebec 2005).

You can't just blow off losing an Amyot. You can say JB will go get another Dman, and he will, because he'd have to, because we don't have enough Q ready guys on D atm. (we have 6 capable ones right now. We can't play half a year with 5). So if Amyot goes you then have to move someone else for a Dman, like a Gauthier, instead of being able to move Gauthier for a draft pick that maybe you could package into a trade for a 20 year old for next year.

What I am getting at is we've already given away most our our early draft picks, so we don't have those as bait to reload up front for next year. If we can't load up, we can't "go for it" next year. We won't be complete crap because our defense should be even better than this year, and Mayer should be better as well, but our offense? Not good enough to contend.

Finishing 3rd-6th in the division is not what I was expecting from our 4th year in the league, but that's what I can easily see happening next year. JB will have a lot of work to do just to get our offense on par with what we have this year. To contend we need even better than that.

[canucklehead]

I thought I seen a time or 2 in this thread someone mentioning about JB try'n to set himself up for an NHL job by getting a 3rd year team to the playoffs and making a decent run.

I don't want them to trade Amyot to be honest I'd much rather have him he still has alot of upside he's a very good 4th or 5th guy on this team and he's only getting better hope he doesn't get traded I'd rather see Gauthier go that'd work great for me.