Question on Knox

[seahawk]

Where is he going to play this season?
Will he return to the Jr.A. team in PEI who apparantly were asking a kings ransom for his rights? I know I wouldn't.
Will he try to catch on a AUAA team?

[IslandersHKY]

I don't believe that the Summerside Capitals are the reason that Knox is not in the Q.

As a 20 yr old overager Saint John knew that they would have to negotiate his release from Summerside and would have contacted them before Knox even stepped foot on Sea Dogs ice.

And from Summerside's perspective Knox is one of the best players in Jr A and a huge part of their team. What they were asking for may have sounded like a lot but I bet it was in the range of what other teams would get for a similar player.

But IMO his release was not the sticking point. Had Knox looked like the top line forward Saint John was hoping for the $5,000 or $10,000 would have been happily paid. The problem is that kind of money isn't worth it for a 3rd or 4th line 20 yr old.

So IMO it wasn't about the money it is that after evaluting him in training camp and adding Hooper, Saint John no longer considered Knox a top line forward so they decided it wasn't worth keeping him.

Tough situation and I feel bad for him but that is the business of the game. Its just too bad that Knox didn't enter the league at 17 or 18 as he has great skills and I think could have been a good scoring forward but that was a decision he made.

Overall I doubt Knox has a problem with the Capitals just very disappointed that things didn't work out with Saint John. And I expect he will likely return to tear it up for one final year in Jr A.

[bjindaho]

The team could only get Knox in for a physical late, and by that point it was almost training camp. No team would talk compensation before a physical for a player TRYING OUT. Also, it doesn't matter what Jordan's role on the team would have been, you do what is right for the player when it comes to moving up (You don't see CHL teams refusing players to the WJHCs, even though they do have to release the players). And if the club says that $10K is a lot of money for a guy with no Q experience, I think I'd trust them.

[IslandersHKY]

No $10K is a lot for a player that they didn't think could play on their top line.

How much do you think Picard-Hooper, and other top 20 yr old players are getting around the league?

Unfortunately the Sea Dogs did not consider Knox worth the investment. Which is simply a business decision deciding what is best for the team.

[griffin]

bjindaho said:

The team could only get Knox in for a physical late, and by that point it was almost training camp. No team would talk compensation before a physical for a player TRYING OUT. Also, it doesn't matter what Jordan's role on the team would have been, you do what is right for the player when it comes to moving up (You don't see CHL teams refusing players to the WJHCs, even though they do have to release the players). And if the club says that $10K is a lot of money for a guy with no Q experience, I think I'd trust them.

Werent you the same guy telling everyone know Knox was going to get you guys 60+ points and how great a move it was to get him.

[themagician]

quote]Werent you the same guy telling everyone know Knox was going to get you guys 60+ points and how great a move it was to get him. [/quote]

No, that was Beaulieu.
It is not Summerside's fault that he is not in the Q. The Seadogs (thanks to McCain) have tons of cash to pay for whatever they like, as they have shown (see Steven Athony). Knox just didn't perform in the little opportunity he got.

[NOTsmiley]

hockeyfan99 said:

But IMO his release was not the sticking point. Had Knox looked like the top line forward Saint John was hoping for the $5,000 or $10,000 would have been happily paid. The problem is that kind of money isn't worth it for a 3rd or 4th line 20 yr old.

I'm confused about the 5-10 grand release from summerside being talked about. Isn't there an agreement between the chl and the mjahl that sets out what the release fees will be?

I know Jordan had some interest from ncaa schools. Its unfortunate that he loses his eligibilty because of this. I hope the team didn't make any false promises to him to lure him from jr. a.

[Judas In My Mind]

I'm not sure but I am assuming Knox's NCAA options were dead. If he had schools wanting him you'd think he would have gone there as an 18 or 19 year old. Right out of highschool. Meaning if he was pursued by someone badly, he'd have already been there and this whole scenario with the Sea Dogs never would have even got off the ground.

[hockey31]

i was told he's done

[griffin]

jrsuperstar said:

I'm not sure but I am assuming Knox's NCAA options were dead. If he had schools wanting him you'd think he would have gone there as an 18 or 19 year old. Right out of highschool. Meaning if he was pursued by someone badly, he'd have already been there and this whole scenario with the Sea Dogs never would have even got off the ground.

NCAA dont want guys right out of high school, they go after guys a bit older ie Andrew Sweetland and Teddy Purcell. They will usually play junior A somewhere or go to a prep school.

[MikeC]

bjindaho said:

The team could only get Knox in for a physical late, and by that point it was almost training camp. No team would talk compensation before a physical for a player TRYING OUT. Also, it doesn't matter what Jordan's role on the team would have been, you do what is right for the player when it comes to moving up (You don't see CHL teams refusing players to the WJHCs, even though they do have to release the players). And if the club says that $10K is a lot of money for a guy with no Q experience, I think I'd trust them.

I agree with you when it's before or early in a season. The lower level team should release the player for the player's benefit.

When I side with the lower level team, is when it's late in a season, and taking the player from the lower level team leaves that team without a player. For instance, Jr A teams have to cut down to 23 players and/or empty cards on Jan 10, and can't sign any FAs after Feb 10. If a Major Junior team wants to take a player after Feb 10, it would completely screw the Jr A team - no player, and no way to replace him.

[IslandersHKY]

hoozezat said:

I'm confused about the 5-10 grand release from summerside being talked about. Isn't there an agreement between the chl and the mjahl that sets out what the release fees will be?

I know Jordan had some interest from ncaa schools. Its unfortunate that he loses his eligibilty because of this. I hope the team didn't make any false promises to him to lure him from jr. a.

My understanding is that because Knox was never drafted into the Q, as an overage player it was Summerside who owned his rights. Meaning that the Sea Dogs had to negotiate his release from Summerside. Had the Sea Dogs simply drafted him a year or two ago they could have brought him up for free.

Really not a big deal. Other teams have to do it with their free agents like Magnan from Moncton (I believe).

And trust me the Sea Dogs knew that they would have to pay for Knox's release way before he ever stepped foot on Saint John ice. And Summerside didn't just make up a number I imagine that their asking price was in line with the cost for other players release. There was just a difference of opinion on what Knox's value was.



And as for the comments about Knox and NCAA. Two years ago the Rocket tried to recruit Knox and he even went to a practice of two but decided to stay in Jr A in order to maintain his NCAA eligibility in hopes of earning a scholarship. He is a smart kid and a great hockey player but unfortunately he didn't get the offer that he was hoping for so the NCAA option is now dead which is why he accepted the opportunity in Saint John. Since things didn't work out there I expect he will play University hockey in Canada next season.

[pug]

summerside did not hold knox back* knoxie himself knows that* it just did not work out* pug*