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Post by killer on Sept 9, 2007 20:58:09 GMT -4
I guess I will agree to disagree personally I will say it's a badly timed play til I turn blue in the face now while it was preseason he needs to get the guys number and deal with it later not right after your team battles back from 2 goals down. My hope is that he learns from it and I am more then willing to make a beer bet with ya JB did not say "good job" to Pisano about the hit ;D I'm not saying he shouldn't kick the shit out of a guy I'm saying his timing of the infraction was off and it was. Hmm...Pisano sits tonight...conicedence or statement by JB? He was accessed an Agressor major which carries an automatic one game suspension. I think Catatonic Moose stated this in a different thread |
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Post by killer on Sept 9, 2007 21:08:47 GMT -4
Apparently I overestimated you Killer.....It's NEVER smart to play stupid... inter-squad,pre-season, regular-season...playoffs...I'm sure it was appreciated by the player he was trying to defend...but you pick your spots if you want to play.., if not how does he react in the future with a MEANINGFUL game on the line...time will tell...and no the "precious points" were not part of the equation.. being accountable for his actions is the point of the conversation...AND IN MY OPINION he made a stupid move, which never bought him any credibility with the coaching staff...end of story from here. This may apply in a fantasy euro league that you star in where there are no physical confrontations but in a league where the physical and psychological game is very important, Pisano did what he had to do to let his team and the opposition that there is a price to pay for certain actions regardless of if it cost the game or not. Why are you not stringing Sparling up by the neck they scored while he was in the box. Thing's like this happen, its part of the game. The player will likely have Pisano in the back of his mind and remain quiet the next few times they play |
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Post by canucklehead on Sept 9, 2007 21:15:48 GMT -4
Regardless if it costs you the game?  I think winning a war is more important then winning a 1 on 1 battle ;D It's only preseason so I'm not saying he should be strung up or anything I just think it's important he knows that during the regular season he can't be taking penalties that drain the teams mojo |
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Post by killer on Sept 9, 2007 21:18:48 GMT -4
Regardless if it costs you the game? In preseason?? Your damn right In regular season depends on the situation but sometimes its warranted In Playoffs never..............games are too important unless being blown out |
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Post by canucklehead on Sept 9, 2007 21:26:58 GMT -4
Sorry I just don't agree pre season is also intended to rid players of bad habits and that's a bad habit you can't just clubber a guy when ya feel like it.
Again we're talking about the timing not the fact that he stood up for another player because that's not even an issue I think he just needs to pick his spots he would have had another shot at him I'm sure before the game was over.
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Post by berner on Sept 9, 2007 21:39:41 GMT -4
Regardless if it costs you the game? In preseason?? Your damn right In regular season depends on the situation but sometimes its warranted In Playoffs never..............games are too important unless being blown out In theory, all our players would follow this rule. Unfortunately, we aren't dealing with robots here that you can easily program for the type of upcoming game. These are teenagers. I find it hard to believe that a teenager with bad habits through the season could shut them off automatically in the playoffs. And bad habits become visible in pre-season. It was a nothing game, but I doubt the players needed Pisano to do that to feel like he's got their back. Especially if it wasn't a clear-cut dirty play. I'd think the players would respond better had he took his number and took advantage of an opportunity to rock him later in the game rather than jump him on his way to his bench. |
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Post by killer on Sept 9, 2007 21:40:31 GMT -4
Sorry I just don't agree pre season is also intended to rid players of bad habits and that's a bad habit you can't just clobber a guy when ya feel like it. Again we're talking about the timing not the fact that he stood up for another player because that's not even an issue I think he just needs to pick his spots he would have had another shot at him I'm sure before the game was over. He didn;t clobber a guy just for the hell of it..............there was a reason and he reacted accordingly. I don;t agree with singling Pisano out for the loss at all. This is a team spot and you could make up several scenarios to blame the loss on |
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Post by canucklehead on Sept 9, 2007 21:57:33 GMT -4
I didn't mean to imply he cost them the game he cost them their momentum and they ended up scoring that only made it a one goal game so yes they could have come back with a goal of their own.
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Post by markofthebeast on Sept 9, 2007 23:15:07 GMT -4
Wow I 100% with Killer, I don't think that happens often. Losing one regular season game (assuming the game was lost because of the fight ) because you jump a player that took a shot at one of yours VS losing 10-15 while two or three of your top players sit out due to injury seems like an Ok trade off to me. The message has to be sent, preseason or regular season, other teams have to know that they are immediately responsible for there actions not a little later when they "may" get a chance to be confront you about it. The other team has to know in the back of there head that just because it’s deemed clean by a ref doesn’t make it alright. This concept is especially important to teams like the Dog’s and the Devils since loosing a couple key members can mean the difference of the playoffs or an early off season. What Pisano did was textbook It showed his commitment to the team I guarantee you that he was given a pat on the back for his work. As much as a lot feel that fighting, and in extension fighters, are no longer needed are totally wrong guys who go to bat for their teammates are the most respected in the locker room. I can understand some of your opinions if Pisano did this because he was “Avreyed” into it but this was a reaction to a hit on a teammate something that requires an immediate action. Personally I’d be madder if someone never done something |
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Post by bjindaho on Sept 9, 2007 23:51:09 GMT -4
Actually, the suspension is mentioned in this thread
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Post by habh8er on Sept 10, 2007 0:30:10 GMT -4
I guess I will agree to disagree personally I will say it's a badly timed play til I turn blue in the face now while it was preseason he needs to get the guys number and deal with it later not right after your team battles back from 2 goals down. My hope is that he learns from it and I am more then willing to make a beer bet with ya JB did not say "good job" to Pisano about the hit ;D I'm not saying he shouldn't kick the shit out of a guy I'm saying his timing of the infraction was off and it was. Hmm...Pisano sits tonight...conicedence or statement by JB? WE played 3/4 of the game with 4 d....no coincedince 45-41-27 and 26,played 90% of the game today...McDonald played when he had to, and thats it...why would we use 4 D-men???  |
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Post by canucklehead on Sept 10, 2007 6:50:14 GMT -4
Wow I 100% with Killer, I don't think that happens often. Losing one regular season game (assuming the game was lost because of the fight ) because you jump a player that took a shot at one of yours VS losing 10-15 while two or three of your top players sit out due to injury seems like an Ok trade off to me. The message has to be sent, preseason or regular season, other teams have to know that they are immediately responsible for there actions not a little later when they "may" get a chance to be confront you about it. The other team has to know in the back of there head that just because it’s deemed clean by a ref doesn’t make it alright. This concept is especially important to teams like the Dog’s and the Devils since loosing a couple key members can mean the difference of the playoffs or an early off season. What Pisano did was textbook It showed his commitment to the team I guarantee you that he was given a pat on the back for his work. As much as a lot feel that fighting, and in extension fighters, are no longer needed are totally wrong guys who go to bat for their teammates are the most respected in the locker room. I can understand some of your opinions if Pisano did this because he was “Avreyed” into it but this was a reaction to a hit on a teammate something that requires an immediate action. Personally I’d be madder if someone never done something If it was a dirty hit you would be right but it was a clean hit can you imagine if a scrap happened everytime someone threw a nice body check? Gimmie a break! I have no problem with someone fighting the guy later if he wants to drop the gloves and settle it that way but the way it went down was NOT textbook as you would like to call it after all he did get suspended leaving us with 5 Dmen yesterday and MacDonald is likely our 8th Dman and 2 of our best weren't there anyway. Never said it cost them the game either not sure where that came from but I'm pretty sure it wasn't from me. |
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Post by killer on Sept 10, 2007 7:04:02 GMT -4
Wow I 100% with Killer, I don't think that happens often. Losing one regular season game (assuming the game was lost because of the fight ) because you jump a player that took a shot at one of yours VS losing 10-15 while two or three of your top players sit out due to injury seems like an Ok trade off to me. The message has to be sent, preseason or regular season, other teams have to know that they are immediately responsible for there actions not a little later when they "may" get a chance to be confront you about it. The other team has to know in the back of there head that just because it’s deemed clean by a ref doesn’t make it alright. This concept is especially important to teams like the Dog’s and the Devils since loosing a couple key members can mean the difference of the playoffs or an early off season. What Pisano did was textbook It showed his commitment to the team I guarantee you that he was given a pat on the back for his work. As much as a lot feel that fighting, and in extension fighters, are no longer needed are totally wrong guys who go to bat for their teammates are the most respected in the locker room. I can understand some of your opinions if Pisano did this because he was “Avreyed” into it but this was a reaction to a hit on a teammate something that requires an immediate action. Personally I’d be madder if someone never done something If it was a dirty hit you would be right but it was a clean hit can you imagine if a scrap happened everytime someone threw a nice body check? Gimmie a break! I have no problem with someone fighting the guy later if he wants to drop the gloves and settle it that way but the way it went down was NOT textbook as you would like to call it after all he did get suspended leaving us with 5 Dmen yesterday and MacDonald is likely our 8th Dman and 2 of our best weren't there anyway. Never said it cost them the game either not sure where that came from but I'm pretty sure it wasn't from me. Your not getting the point........it has more to do with Pisano letting the othet team know if they cross the line then there will be a price to pay for you actions much like what Legros has coming to him next game. Weather or not the hit was clean or is not important, Pisano took the first opportunity and made a statement and being Preseason it was the perfect time to do it. Pisano will not be this out of control during regular season unless a dirty play occurrs, but now the Titan players know whenever they play against Saint John they best stick to clean hockey. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Sept 10, 2007 8:17:05 GMT -4
1. It's exhibition for Christ sakes. Talk all the bad habits and crap you want. These kids have been playing the game most of their lives. You use exhibition to set the tone for the year and get messages across.
2. Immediate retaliation speaks loudest. Knowing if you smoke a player you'll likely have a big boy come after you right away is more prone to make someone hesitate than say...knowing later on someone might come for you, if they get on the ice at the same time, etc etc. Make the person know they are a target now for the rest of the game and have them looking over their shoulder.
Good work by Pisano. He did the right thing at the right time.
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Post by canucklehead on Sept 10, 2007 8:21:38 GMT -4
But see the difference is like ya said Legros has it coming NEXT game not right away.
I agree with it bring it can slide as long as he learns from it that. During the regular season ya gotta be smart and pick your spots I still think Desnoyers will get his along with Legros ;D
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