Exhibition Game 5: Saint John @ Acadie Bathurst

[canucklehead]

jrsuperstar said:

1. It's exhibition for Christ sakes. Talk all the bad habits and crap you want. These kids have been playing the game most of their lives. You use exhibition to set the tone for the year and get messages across.

2. Immediate retaliation speaks loudest. Knowing if you smoke a player you'll likely have a big boy come after you right away is more prone to make someone hesitate than say...knowing later on someone might come for you, if they get on the ice at the same time, etc etc. Make the person know they are a target now for the rest of the game and have them looking over their shoulder.

Good work by Pisano. He did the right thing at the right time.

Wrong thing wrong time nobody listens to you anyway so you can say whatever jibberish you want with a name like yours you have no credibilty here anyway ;D

3 beers to none! ;D

I give up I have my stance you have yours they are different it ain't gonna change

[Judas In My Mind]

Only reason Legros (or was it Smearer? It didn't look like Legros to me from seeing him briefly last year) has it coming next game is because there was no Pisano or Gallant playing to set him straight in that game. Please. The time to send a message is as quickly as possible after the act that warrants the message. You don't wait for another time to send it unless it's the playoffs or at a pivotal time in an important regular season game.

[canucklehead]

jrsuperstar said:

Only reason Legros (or was it Smearer? It didn't look like Legros to me from seeing him briefly last year) has it coming next game is because there was no Pisano or Gallant playing to set him straight in that game. Please. The time to send a message is as quickly as possible after the act that warrants the message. You don't wait for another time to send it unless it's the playoffs or at a pivotal time in an important regular season game.

This division is so close every game is pivotal this year 2 points could very well be the difference and it was a pivotal point in the game too but I'm might point is that I would hope he learns that during the regular season if your team just battled back from 2 goal down you don't wanna be taking a 5 minute major.

[markofthebeast]

canucklehead said:

If it was a dirty hit you would be right but it was a clean hit can you imagine if a scrap happened everytime someone threw a nice body check? Gimmie a break!

I have no problem with someone fighting the guy later if he wants to drop the gloves and settle it that way but the way it went down was NOT textbook as you would like to call it after all he did get suspended leaving us with 5 Dmen yesterday and MacDonald is likely our 8th Dman and 2 of our best weren't there anyway.

Never said it cost them the game either not sure where that came from but I'm pretty sure it wasn't from me.

markofthebeast said:

The other team has to know in the back of there head that just because it’s deemed clean by a ref doesn’t make it alright. This concept is especially important to teams like the Dog’s and the Devils since loosing a couple key members can mean the difference of the playoffs or an early off season.

This play is Very textbook, so textbook in fact it happened many times last season at the highest level in hockey (NHL). One particular example of this was last season Colby Armstrong Leveled Koivu with a perfectly clean hit, Souray then proceeds to lay a beat down on Armstrong. Guy Carbineau was incensed at the ref's after the game about Souray getting 2 5 10 and a game (he felt 2 and a 5 was good enough.) That will give you an idea of how coaches view this sort of thing. You can also hear in the Vid how Pierre McGuire clearly states that it was a clean hit but understands what Souray done.



Another example is when Tootoo hit Modano, clean hit then Robidas clearly skates at Tootoo with the intent of jumping him, too bad for him tho Tootoo is slightly crazy and one punched him with his glove still on. While the punch was dirty the hit was clean but again Robidas was coming to defend his teammate.

I don't know if some of you have watched too much PeeWee or Girl's hockey. But when playing with men this is how the game is played unwritten rules with clearly defined consequences.

[canucklehead]

I've played plenty of hockey in my life and helped coach in hockey school but thanks for the expert adivce on hockey and as usual I'll put the Markofthebeast on mute.

[Judas In My Mind]

canucklehead said:

Wrong thing wrong time nobody listens to you anyway so you can say whatever jibberish you want with a name like yours you have no credibilty here anyway ;D

3 beers to none! ;D

I give up I have my stance you have yours they are different it ain't gonna change

Yeah okay Caf ucklehead. Great consolation if your teammate just got corked (clean or not) and is laying on the ice in pain or on the bench, and your enforcer goes "No worries bud I'll get him later...or maybe 2 months from now when we play them next".

Credibilty? Umm let's see. You. Mod, after what? 14 posts? Why? Because you know Dogcatcher and swallow a good sausage? ;D

And for nobody listening to me...yeah right. At least I take an opinion and stick by it. Go read your first 200+ posts where you'd say one thing, another person would post, and you'd flip-flop and agree. You're a flavor of the minute type person. The only thing I'll give you credit for here is for once you are sticking by your original opinion. Too bad you chose to do so now of all times, when you are wrong.

My advice? Go back to your old posting style. Wait for me to post something, then agree with what I said.

[markofthebeast]

Exactly you helped coached hockey school at what level??? Probably PeeWee or no higher then Midget where fighting is "allowed" but discouraged tremendously. I don't claim to be an expert but apparently you think you are because you helped Coach in hockey school and now you know everything. Go ahead and "mute” me I could care less. If you are so arrogant that you can't carry on a conversation with someone who has contradicting views to yourself and figure you have nothing to learn then it's pointless even "typing" to you.

[canucklehead]

jrsuperstar said:

canucklehead said:

Wrong thing wrong time nobody listens to you anyway so you can say whatever jibberish you want with a name like yours you have no credibilty here anyway ;D

3 beers to none! ;D

I give up I have my stance you have yours they are different it ain't gonna change

Yeah okay Caf ucklehead. Great consolation if your teammate just got corked (clean or not) and is laying on the ice in pain or on the bench, and your enforcer goes "No worries bud I'll get him later...or maybe 2 months from now when we play them next".

Credibilty? Umm let's see. You. Mod, after what? 14 posts? Why? Because you know Dogcatcher and swallow a good sausage? ;D

And for nobody listening to me...yeah right. At least I take an opinion and stick by it. Go read your first 200+ posts where you'd say one thing, another person would post, and you'd flip-flop and agree. You're a flavor of the minute type person. The only thing I'll give you credit for here is for once you are sticking by your original opinion. Too bad you chose to do so now of all times, when you are wrong.

My advice? Go back to your old posting style. Wait for me to post something, then agree with what I said.

What are ya talkin about I don't flip flop sometimes guys will make points that I don't see right away IE yourself I don't disagree and it sucks when I have to admit your right! I was only kiddin ya when I said that about nobody listening to ya and your credibility btw it's just fun getting ya worked up ;D

The guy wasn't hurt from the hit either we have no clue how big the hit even was yet we sit at our PC's and fight over it lol ;D

[canucklehead]

markofthebeast said:

Exactly you helped coached hockey school at what level??? Probably PeeWee or no higher then Midget where fighting is "allowed" but discouraged tremendously. I don't claim to be an expert but apparently you think you are because you helped Coach in hockey school and now you know everything. Go ahead and "mute” me I could care less. If you are so arrogant that you can't carry on a conversation with someone who has contradicting views to yourself and figure you have nothing to learn then it's pointless even "typing" to you.

People contradict my views all the time they just don't have to do it while making comments like you do regarding the players I've helped coach and whether or not they are girls or not.

I'm not arrogant I have an opinion just like others some think it was perfect timing I don't and as I said before I have my thoughts and other people have theirs it's not gonna change either way no big deal.

[killer]

canucklehead said:

I've played plenty of hockey in my life and helped coach in hockey school but thanks for the expert adivce on hockey and as usual I'll put the Markofthebeast on mute.

Where and what level did you play?

[markofthebeast]

My comment was not about the players you coached nor was it specifically directed towards you. my comment was "I don't know if some of you have watched too much PeeWee or Girl's hockey. But when playing with men this is how the game is played unwritten rules with clearly defined consequences."

The part about the Girls and PeeWee is simply saying if you watch a lot of that hockey you rarely see fights. In no way was it a dig at the players you've helped or girls for that matter. In fact I never knew until just that second that you even helped coach.

[canucklehead]

markofthebeast said:

My comment was not about the players you coached nor was it specifically directed towards you. my comment was "I don't know if some of you have watched too much PeeWee or Girl's hockey. But when playing with men this is how the game is played unwritten rules with clearly defined consequences."

The part about the Girls and PeeWee is simply saying if you watch a lot of that hockey you rarely see fights. In no way was it a dig at the players you've helped or girls for that matter. In fact I never knew until just that second that you even helped coach.

ok kewl my bad then

[killer]

canucklehead said:

jrsuperstar said:

Only reason Legros (or was it Smearer? It didn't look like Legros to me from seeing him briefly last year) has it coming next game is because there was no Pisano or Gallant playing to set him straight in that game. Please. The time to send a message is as quickly as possible after the act that warrants the message. You don't wait for another time to send it unless it's the playoffs or at a pivotal time in an important regular season game.

This division is so close every game is pivotal this year 2 points could very well be the difference and it was a pivotal point in the game too but I'm might point is that I would hope he learns that during the regular season if your team just battled back from 2 goal down you don't wanna be taking a 5 minute major.

If we blow or chances at the playoffs by 2 points I think there is alot more to be worried about then a single 5 minute major penalty that cost us a game. There will be plenty worse then that this season.................quit flip flopping your views on fighters praising them when they show up but cutting them down when they take a penalty

[J4M13]

jrsuperstar said:

1. It's exhibition for Christ sakes. Talk all the bad habits and crap you want. These kids have been playing the game most of their lives. You use exhibition to set the tone for the year and get messages across.

2. Immediate retaliation speaks loudest. Knowing if you smoke a player you'll likely have a big boy come after you right away is more prone to make someone hesitate than say...knowing later on someone might come for you, if they get on the ice at the same time, etc etc. Make the person know they are a target now for the rest of the game and have them looking over their shoulder.

Good work by Pisano. He did the right thing at the right time.

I agree completely. A couple more thoughts:

1. Pisano is likely a 7th or 8th d-man, and will only play about ten minutes in any game he manages to dress for. So the chances of him being the ice at the same time as the offender again, when the games actually matter for something, are actually slim. He knows his role will be limited, and he needs to take the chance when he sees it, period. otherwise, there's no reason to put him on the ice. I agree that the preseason is a time to mould behaviours for the regular season, and I think Pisano was right to ignore the fact that he was taking a regular shift in that game, and play like every second of ice time matters.

2. Do you really want a guy with limited skill thinking about something other than keeping the puck outta the net in a 2-2 game? Get it over with, and focus on hockey.

3. If the 'Dogs had killed the 5, or better yet, scored a shorty, this play would have been talked about as a turning point, and everyone would be praising the kid for doing what needed to be done. At that point, when Pisano took the penalty for sticking up for a teammate, it's the job of the rest of the team to pick him up by killing it.

[elementz]

Credibilty? Umm let's see. You. Mod, after what? 14 posts? Why? Because you know Dogcatcher and swallow a good sausage? ;D

That is sig material right there.