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Post by MikeC on Nov 6, 2008 0:50:07 GMT -4
A part from MacMillan. Who else has trading value (O’Connor, Randell) Are their any teams looking for a solid defensive D? or a defensive forward? I think if a mid-level team is looking for some offence from the back end and a boost to their PP, they could be interested in Pender. I would expect we could get a 4th of 5th for him, if he keeps up the way he's been playing and his numbers so far.
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Post by Murph on Nov 6, 2008 6:20:31 GMT -4
"Im not..im expecting Kirkpatrick plus plus"? How much better is MacMillan"? I watched Sundays game in CB and Kirkpatrick is one of the top dogs out their. He is the type of player your going to want if you are going to make a run for it and a leader as well. Don't see that trade being worth it for SJ. What about Anthony? A year younger than Kirky and a ton of skill and poential. I'd be a bit surprised if Anthony is moved over Kirkpatrick. SJ gave Anthony huge money (rumored to be around the 200-250K mark) to report to their team..... and then they go out and trade him before he has a chance to become an impact player? That'd be a tough one to swallow, especially since this isn't Moncton, Quebec or Halifax.... those teams can eat the money easily. Saint John can't. Kirkpatrick has had a nice start.... but his value to a contender in the 2nd half is being over rated by Sea Dog fans IMO. MacMillian is a bigger, grittier, more skilled version of Kirkpatrick, and that's what you want if you're going all out. Now, if SJ doesn't want to go all out.... if they want to just make lesser impact moves and retain their core for next year, then they'd probably pass on deals like MacMillian. MacMillian will be heavily pursued by Rimouski and Quebec also, so Saint John doesn't have much bargaining power with Halifax. Either they pay what Halifax wants, or Halifax trades him somewhere else.
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Post by habh8er on Nov 6, 2008 8:09:00 GMT -4
MacMillian will be heavily pursued by Rimouski and Quebec also, so Saint John doesn't have much bargaining power with Halifax. Either they pay what Halifax wants, or Halifax trades him somewhere else. I, for 1 hope the Sea Dogs set their sights on someone other than LM ....sure he's a good player, but not worth the moon and the stars....how's his health?
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Post by IslandersHKY on Nov 6, 2008 8:17:04 GMT -4
MacMillian will be heavily pursued by Rimouski and Quebec also, so Saint John doesn't have much bargaining power with Halifax. Either they pay what Halifax wants, or Halifax trades him somewhere else. Everyone keeps saying Rimouski is interested in MacMillian and while that makes sense because he is a great player I can't them actually paying to add MacMillian. Rimouski need to make an impact trade to add on defense, maybe in goal as well. Their forwards right now are their strongest component so I can't see them having enough left over after making those addition to also add MacMillian. SJ & Quebec still appear to make the most sense although I am sure several teams are interested.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 6, 2008 8:50:49 GMT -4
A part from MacMillan. Who else has trading value (O’Connor, Randell) Are their any teams looking for a solid defensive D? or a defensive forward? I think if a mid-level team is looking for some offence from the back end and a boost to their PP, they could be interested in Pender. I would expect we could get a 4th of 5th for him, if he keeps up the way he's been playing and his numbers so far. Pender and Bona could get some interest to a team looking to strengthen their D depth for a cheap cost, if they have room for a 20. Both guys are big and strong, have experience playing big minutes against top players (by default) and Pender of course brings a big shot from the point (although he's been missing the net too much for my liking lately). They sometimes get a bad rap on here for screwing up, or getting beat, but these guys shouldnt be playing the roles they are, basically top pairing against other teams top lines and PP.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 6, 2008 8:52:54 GMT -4
MacMillian will be heavily pursued by Rimouski and Quebec also, so Saint John doesn't have much bargaining power with Halifax. Either they pay what Halifax wants, or Halifax trades him somewhere else. Everyone keeps saying Rimouski is interested in MacMillian and while that makes sense because he is a great player I can't them actually paying to add MacMillian. Rimouski need to make an impact trade to add on defense, maybe in goal as well. Their forwards right now are their strongest component so I can't see them having enough left over after making those addition to also add MacMillian. SJ & Quebec still appear to make the most sense although I am sure several teams are interested. You may be right, but MacMillan is a Jodoin type player. They may want to move a forward they have in a key role for him, if they feel he will fit into the style of team better.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 6, 2008 9:00:25 GMT -4
MacMillan doesn't really fit what rimouski needs...I think Chabot is another guy in the same style but Chabot has won 2 QMJHL titles.
I can't see SJ trading Kirkpatrick and Anthony for him...
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Post by Fryar on Nov 6, 2008 12:48:59 GMT -4
MacMillian will be heavily pursued by Rimouski and Quebec also, so Saint John doesn't have much bargaining power with Halifax. Either they pay what Halifax wants, or Halifax trades him somewhere else. Everyone keeps saying Rimouski is interested in MacMillian and while that makes sense because he is a great player I can't them actually paying to add MacMillian. Rimouski need to make an impact trade to add on defense, maybe in goal as well. Their forwards right now are their strongest component so I can't see them having enough left over after making those addition to also add MacMillian. SJ & Quebec still appear to make the most sense although I am sure several teams are interested. What about MacMillan for David Gilbert at the draft?
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Post by howitzer on Nov 7, 2008 23:28:12 GMT -4
Just looking through the stats for SJ and one guy who jumped out at me was Matthew Stoddard. Here's a kid who was a 2nd rd pick, big time AAA performer, yet only has 1 pt all year. I think that'd be a guy Patenaude would target. He is obviously struggling right now, so maybe a change of scenary could wake him up, and he's a local kid as well. He wouldn't be the centre piece of any MacMillan deal, but as a second player, or throwin if you will (ala Lund, local kid clearly struggling with his current team), would be nice to see. Good skater and someone who could up our overall skill level and play top 6 mins.
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Post by lalalaprise on Nov 8, 2008 0:33:59 GMT -4
Just looking through the stats for SJ and one guy who jumped out at me was Matthew Stoddard. Here's a kid who was a 2nd rd pick, big time AAA performer, yet only has 1 pt all year. I think that'd be a guy Patenaude would target. He is obviously struggling right now, so maybe a change of scenary could wake him up, and he's a local kid as well. He wouldn't be the centre piece of any MacMillan deal, but as a second player, or throwin if you will (ala Lund, local kid clearly struggling with his current team), would be nice to see. Good skater and someone who could up our overall skill level and play top 6 mins. As a throw in maybe. I know Marcel likes reclamation projects, but this is an extreme case. Hes 18 and has 1 point and has played 4th line on a team that is offensively starved.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 8, 2008 0:59:48 GMT -4
But Bealieau is a tough love kind of coach. Maybe he just doesn't like something in Stoddard's game and therefore has him in his doghouse. Some players react differently to different environments and styles. Maybe this is a case of a good player stuck in a bad environement, for his development.
Cam is more of a player's coach. Scott McDonald even eluded to the different styles on a recent post game show. He mentioned how Cam can be hard on you, but in a contructive, supportive manner, where as Bealieau is tough and often intimidates his players. Some players just don't respond to that.
For this year, and the team we currently have, I think Stoddard would be a decent pick-up. Low risk, high reward.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 8, 2008 12:36:38 GMT -4
Here is a blockbuster idea that would help both teams...
Knotek(18) MacMillan(19) Bahm(19) and MacAskill(19) for Stoddard(18) Anthony(17) and Stich(19) plus VD's 1st Euro
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Post by MikeC on Nov 8, 2008 13:01:59 GMT -4
Here is a blockbuster idea that would help both teams... Knotek(18) MacMillan(19) Bahm(19) and MacAskill(19) for Stoddard(18) Anthony(17) and Stich(19) plus VD's 1st Euro I don't think SJ is giving nearly enough. MacMillan alone would likely get Anthony this year. Then we're giving a PPG 18 year old and 2 other decent 19 year olds who'll likely play as 20s for an 18 year old with 1 goal, a 19 year old Euro who'll likely not play next for us year since we'd now have 2 high 1st round Euro picks with the VDs 1st round Euro pick coming too. Knotek alone would easily get the 1st Euro +. I'm sure there's a makeable blockbuster between the 2 teams, but that ain't it.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 8, 2008 14:39:26 GMT -4
Here is a blockbuster idea that would help both teams... Knotek(18) MacMillan(19) Bahm(19) and MacAskill(19) for Stoddard(18) Anthony(17) and Stich(19) plus VD's 1st Euro I don't think SJ is giving nearly enough. MacMillan alone would likely get Anthony this year. Then we're giving a PPG 18 year old and 2 other decent 19 year olds who'll likely play as 20s for an 18 year old with 1 goal, a 19 year old Euro who'll likely not play next for us year since we'd now have 2 high 1st round Euro picks with the VDs 1st round Euro pick coming too. Knotek alone would easily get the 1st Euro +. I'm sure there's a makeable blockbuster between the 2 teams, but that ain't it. I don't see them giving up Anthony for MacMillan straight up. Anthony's been a bit of a disapointment but he is only 17 and a potential 100 point guy.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 8, 2008 14:48:41 GMT -4
I also dont know if Marcel is interested in him, as it was that draft that he made that statement about only drafting guys that really WANT to play in Halifax, and that he doesnt want to jump through hoops of crazy demands (Anthony/agent/dad) to beg someone to play here. Perhaps now that he's in the Q, he'd like to come to Halifax, and doesnt have that same demanding power. We could use a 17 year with star potential, provided the perceived attitude is not an issue.
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