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Post by fireball on Jan 18, 2010 20:42:50 GMT -4
Fred the moose you are either blind or completely dumb !
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Post by moosefan25 on Jan 18, 2010 20:45:15 GMT -4
"He very well could have if the reports are true. The guy's heart stopped beating for 30 seconds."
I think what was reported was that he didn't breathe for 30 seconds......This doesn't necessarily mean his heart was stopped, he could have just had the wind knocked out of him, as would be expected with a hard hit. Just the same, it is very serious and I wouldn't be surprised with anything in the 15-20 games range, as it seems most people are predicting
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Post by lalalaprise on Jan 18, 2010 21:23:00 GMT -4
His heart didnt stop beating...just throwing that out there for clarification.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Jan 18, 2010 22:27:08 GMT -4
It would be a awful feeling and I agree it was dirty and he deserves a suspension of some sort; I'm not agreeing with anyone or the Devils fans that just thought it was intense...It was wrong and he does deserve 15-20 games but I don't think he'll get anymore!!!!
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Post by Fred The Moose on Jan 18, 2010 22:50:57 GMT -4
There have been many cases of dirty hits by players that just play with their all and really only think they can help win the games..But looking at this hit I remember the hit by a Cape Breton player on alex Tanguay which I think Alex was out for what 25 games and he only got two or three games for the hit..Fireball I don't think the view I look at from our Q league is going to suspen him for 20-25 games or season..Also the kid is out of hospital and many players have reacted the same way after a major blow in which they hit the ice ..So don't blame it all on the hit from the player even so he started it with a dirty hit... Please tell me what you see so different with your wonderful eyes and smarts too...
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Post by canbeer on Jan 18, 2010 22:53:28 GMT -4
15-20 at the most it was a dirty hit; I totally agree but he didn't kill anyone!!!! Imagine if it was one of your "boys" on the ice, would you say the same thing? Probably not. But he isn't a Moosehead so it's easier to be impartial. I think kicking him out of the league is too harsh... I'd be surprised if he was gone longer then the rest of the regular season.
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Post by fireball on Jan 19, 2010 8:38:06 GMT -4
Fred, I think you want to open your eyes up the next time you look at the replay of the hit ! ''Captain Canada'' will be suspended for the rest of the regular season at least. I enjoy a hard hitting game, do not get me wrong, but that hit with his elbow is the thing that has to be taken out of hockey. Tam is still in the hospital by the way FtM. Your boy Tanguay did not go into convulsions while laying on the ice either. What the hell do you mean by your last statement of ''not blaming the hit from the player'' ?
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Post by justmy02 on Jan 19, 2010 10:00:39 GMT -4
Imagine if it was one of your "boys" on the ice, would you say the same thing? Probably not. But he isn't a Moosehead so it's easier to be impartial. I think kicking him out of the league is too harsh... I'd be surprised if he was gone longer then the rest of the regular season. i think precedent was set when the OHL player was kicked out of the league for a hit that wasn't this bad.
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Post by canbeer on Jan 19, 2010 10:32:35 GMT -4
Probably not. But he isn't a Moosehead so it's easier to be impartial. I think kicking him out of the league is too harsh... I'd be surprised if he was gone longer then the rest of the regular season. i think precedent was set when the OHL player was kicked out of the league for a hit that wasn't this bad. I thought the OHL suspension was too extreme. And I'm not sure Cormier's hit was any worse. I think the reaction to this hit and people calling to Cormier's head is 90% seeing Tam on the ice afterwards. It's the convulsions that really make this so disturbing... it would make anything look worse.
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Post by sittler on Jan 19, 2010 11:09:25 GMT -4
i think precedent was set when the OHL player was kicked out of the league for a hit that wasn't this bad. I thought the OHL suspension was too extreme. And I'm not sure Cormier's hit was any worse. I think the reaction to this hit and people calling to Cormier's head is 90% seeing Tam on the ice afterwards. It's the convulsions that really make this so disturbing... it would make anything look worse. I think these hits are very different. You could argue the the OHL hit was a hockey play gone bad with a player finishing his check and a defender turning at the last second. The severity of the result was a big factor in the the suspension which I too thought was too much. The Cormier elbow was not a hockey play and a deliberate attemp to injure IMO. They should come down hard on him and he deserves everything he gets. There is no place in the game for these type of hits. That being said, I don't think this incident will affect him in any way from going pro. JMO
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Post by lalalaprise on Jan 19, 2010 11:42:31 GMT -4
Probably not. But he isn't a Moosehead so it's easier to be impartial. I think kicking him out of the league is too harsh... I'd be surprised if he was gone longer then the rest of the regular season. i think precedent was set when the OHL player was kicked out of the league for a hit that wasn't this bad. If that was the case than why wasnt Goulet kicked out for the year? His hit from behind on Gillard was one of the worst ive seen. The Liambis suspension was an outlyer...there have been worse hits than that one. There was a play in Moncton this year when DRU was in town, a kid elbowed Petterson similarly to what Cormier did and no suspension because Petterson got up, both players had the same intent. What Im getting at is, you cant use that OHL suspension as any sort of guage for future infractions.
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Post by justmy02 on Jan 19, 2010 12:16:50 GMT -4
but it should be. Cormier shouldn't play in the CHL again until Tam does.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 19, 2010 12:40:26 GMT -4
but it should be. Cormier shouldn't play in the CHL again until Tam does. That's a slippery slope on both sides. 2 scenarios... 1-Tam is back in 2 weeks after making a quick recovery. Does that mean that Cormier should only get 4-5 games because Tam is back. It was still a vicious hit that should get 12 to 20+. 2-Say Moncton is playing SJ and Hoffman gets Metcalfe with a similar elbow, if you punish by the length of the injury Moncton could hold him out an extra month or so because Hoffman would have to sit out. ...plus sometimes an act that's careless but not dirty can lead to a severe accident. You can't end a guy's career because the other player had a severe injury.
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Post by lalalaprise on Jan 19, 2010 12:41:56 GMT -4
but it should be. Cormier shouldn't play in the CHL again until Tam does. Whether it should be or shouldnt be...I just showed you WHY you cant use the OHL suspension. Worse things have happened after that suspension...yet a similar suspension wasnt handed out. 95% of people felt the Liambis suspension was overkill... And about haveing Cormier not play until Tam plays...well everyone always says that exact same thing once a hit like this occurs but a suspension like that will never happen.
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Post by dogdirt on Jan 19, 2010 15:07:48 GMT -4
There are only four words to describe this incident. Intentional,cowardlyand "potentially deadly". For those who think this is the heat of the action, get a life.
This is at least the second incident of this type by Cormier(Sweden in pre tournament game) and he should be suspended for the rest of this season. Time to get this s--- out of the game.
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