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Post by EagleFan2009 on Mar 26, 2010 13:41:13 GMT -4
Right now they'd be Horyl, MacDougall and Bourgois. Adam, Lagace, Brodeur will have all pro options to start the year at least. Bernard should not be in the mix, but that's just me....no need of a 20yo goon...time to groom a younger guy. Buffalo still feels Luke Adam still needs to work on his skating! Lagace will have an offer but it will ECHL. Wouldn't he work on that in the AHL?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 26, 2010 13:43:04 GMT -4
Buffalo still feels Luke Adam still needs to work on his skating! Lagace will have an offer but it will ECHL. Wouldn't he work on that in the AHL? Yes he would, there's a better chance of my retirement being funded by winning the 6/49 then there is of Luke Adam being in the Q as an overager.
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Post by bois on Mar 26, 2010 13:48:17 GMT -4
Wouldn't he work on that in the AHL? Yes he would, there's a better chance of my retirement being funded by winning the 6/49 then there is of Luke Adam being in the Q as an overager. while I agree it is highly unlikely.. we all thought it was highly unlikely that Hoffman would be back, that DiDo would be back, that Riopel would be back.... Adam has still got many things to work on in his game to be an NHL'er maturity, skating, conditioning
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 26, 2010 13:56:53 GMT -4
Yes he would, there's a better chance of my retirement being funded by winning the 6/49 then there is of Luke Adam being in the Q as an overager. while I agree it is highly unlikely.. we all thought it was highly unlikely that Hoffman would be back, that DiDo would be back, that Riopel would be back.... Adam has still got many things to work on in his game to be an NHL'er maturity, skating, conditioning Hoffman wasn't drafted until after his 19yo season. DiDo is only back because of his injury. Riopel is a goalie who are generally brought along much slower. You can use the "but this guy came back..." argument forever but you can't evaluate it on anything but a case by case basis. I don't think you can look at Adam's circumstance and find a good reason to send him back to junior again. He's definitely the most ready of our 3 Sabre prospects, Legault is not far off but he projects to a different role at the pro level.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 26, 2010 13:59:04 GMT -4
Yes he would, there's a better chance of my retirement being funded by winning the 6/49 then there is of Luke Adam being in the Q as an overager. while I agree it is highly unlikely.. we all thought it was highly unlikely that Hoffman would be back, that DiDo would be back, that Riopel would be back.... Adam has still got many things to work on in his game to be an NHL'er maturity, skating, conditioning So do most NHL drafted guys, but the majority of them end up in the NHL. The exceptions are the ones sent back.
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Post by bois on Mar 26, 2010 14:24:54 GMT -4
i know what you're saying and don't necessarily disagree i'm just saying it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that's all
i think Legault is more suited to a pro game actually right now... and did he not start the year in the AHl and wind up being sent back?
i suppose alot depends on what the Sabres depth chart looks like as well.....
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 26, 2010 15:20:06 GMT -4
Hoffman is the only one really defying expectations. He was drafted (or was he a FA ?) at 19 ... and then signed and sent back to the Q. SJ is paying a big chunk of his salary ... same as the Cats did with Dupuis in 05-06.
Didomenico was expected back by many ... only because he was seriously injured and still injured to start the season. The Q just made sense from a rehab point of view.
Riopel was not expected back ... but then his circumstances were not expected either. Philly had a ton of injuries in goal ... and knowing that Riopel was not ready to play NHL and only on an AHL contract, they had to go out and get new recruits which created a logjam in goal ... forcing Philly to send Riopel back.
Of the 4 ... Adam is the only one drafted when first eligible ... and if he is not signed by this June then Buffalo (it is Buffalo ... right ?) loses his rights ... which I doubt they are wanting to do. Adam has NHL size and great hands ... needs to step up his conditioning ... which obviously isn't going well in CB ... so why would they send him back there ?
I'd say there is a better chance that Savard is back in Moncton than Adam back in CB ... and only because Columbus still has another year to sign Savard since he was drafted this past draft due to a late birthday. But I don't expect Savard back ... he is ready for the next level.
Barberio is in the same boat as Adam ... needs to sign with TB in June or back into the draft. Baberio is an excellent Jr Dman ... but not sure he'll ever play NHL. Doesn't have the size needed and his skating style ... while very effective ... is not what NHL scouts drool over. I think TB will sign him and he'll play AHL next year ... and he will become very good at the AHL level ... but not sure he sets roots in the NHL. But i said the same about Andrew macDonald as well ... and he has been up and down seevral times.
EDIT: Another thing that could keep Adam out of the Q is who will be the Coach in CB next year. If it is Durocher ... they may decide he is better off in the AHL ... if it is some no-name ... same thing.
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Post by elementz on Mar 26, 2010 15:54:14 GMT -4
Hoffman is the only one really defying expectations. He was drafted (or was he a FA ?) at 19 ... and then signed and sent back to the Q. SJ is paying a big chunk of his salary ... same as the Cats did with Dupuis in 05-06. Hoffman was picked up in the 09 draft, same as Petersen
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Post by dt281 on Mar 26, 2010 17:58:20 GMT -4
If Palov means we aren't going to be in as bad a shape as Halifax was after their run, then I guess he is right. Things won't be that wonderful though.
We will be relying on a 17 yo Veronneau in nets. I think it would have been much better for the kid to play half a year next year behind Roy, then trade Roy at x-mas for a prospect and a future that could help us in 2012.
Veronneau will be in tough next year with the way the D is shaping up. Meilleur, Piskachek and most likely Brodeur will be gone. That leaves us with Ellis and guys Mario has no faith in so far this playoffs Fournier, Woodworth and Larade. Don't get me wrong, they are good young players just not enough experience especially with a young goalie.
Up front you got Horyl, MacDougall, Hertzberg, Dion, Cuzner and maybe Lagace making up your top 2 lines. Then you have alot of question marks- Shaw, Bergeron, Parker, MacIntosh, Jodoin. It also looks like we will be a much smaller team next yearwith less grit.
Palov is putting alot of faith in our scouts. There is no guarantee we will find gems with our picks especially when we lack a 1st or 2nd rounder. Also, since we made these trades this year, we lack the assets to aquire more picks to help with the rebuild.
We all know things could have been done to improve our future with a different course at the deadline. While I agree that the sky isn't falling I do see an axe or 2 falling.
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Post by MikeC on Mar 27, 2010 10:03:19 GMT -4
Hoffman is the only one really defying expectations. He was drafted (or was he a FA ?) at 19 ... and then signed and sent back to the Q. SJ is paying a big chunk of his salary ... same as the Cats did with Dupuis in 05-06. Hoffman was picked up in the 09 draft, same as Petersen And I don't think he was signed.
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Post by hal on Mar 27, 2010 19:53:36 GMT -4
Willie Palov called Moncton in 7......................shows what he knows !
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Post by Murph on Mar 27, 2010 21:24:15 GMT -4
Willie Palov called Moncton in 7......................shows what he knows ! And that was with Kabanov..... Couple other things mentioned in this thread: 1- Hoffman and Petersen returning aren't the same as Adam. Neither guy was signed. They couldn't turn pro. Perhaps both Ottawa and Pittsburgh wanted them to go to the AHL, but couldn't get them signed. Either way, it's a completely different situation. Adam has to be signed by June 1st of Buffalo loses his rights. Then Adam goes back into the draft, and then becomes a free agent. Had both Hoffman and Petersen been undrafted, their odds of returning as 20's would have been less than what they were. If Adam has 30 teams to chose from, he's definately going to find one to give an AHL spot. 2- No, Cape Breton isn't as bad off as Halifax was.... but where Cape Breton lacks is legit trade chips for the upcoming season. Dion is probably the best trade asset on the team (unless Lagace returns), and he's probably worth a 3rd rounder or something like that. For Logan MacMillian, has has to show: Trey Lewis, Bradley MacDonald, 28th pick this year as well as 2nd and 5th rounders in 2011. Stuff like that speeds up the rebuild. The Eagles might be ahead of Halifax right now, but they don't project to be ahead in year two of their respective cycles, barring some really creative GM work, and some luck.
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Post by reality on Mar 27, 2010 21:36:41 GMT -4
The last time the Eagles faced a "Rebuilding" after going for it they had a pretty good draft. They did however have 1st and 2nd round picks that certainly helped. 1st-James Sheppard (1), 2nd-Dean Ouellet (31), 3rd-Sebastian Dube (47), 4th-Kyle Stanley (54) & Francois Gauthier (63), 5th-Chris Culligan (68) & Etienne Breton (79).
They also adopted a policy about being very, very careful about the character of the players they drafted and traded for!
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Post by hal on Mar 27, 2010 21:44:16 GMT -4
The last time the Eagles faced a "Rebuilding" after going for it they had a pretty good draft. They did however have 1st and 2nd round picks that certainly helped. 1st-James Sheppard (1), 2nd-Dean Ouellet (31), 3rd-Sebastian Dube (47), 4th-Kyle Stanley (54) & Francois Gauthier (63), 5th-Chris Culligan (68) & Etienne Breton (79). They also adopted a policy about being very, very careful about the character of the players they drafted and traded for! Yep Mario is big on Character !
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Post by Smiley on Mar 27, 2010 21:48:05 GMT -4
Willie Palov called Moncton in 7......................shows what he knows ! The Eagles might be ahead of Halifax right now, but they don't project to be ahead in year two of their respective cycles, barring some really creative GM work, and some luck. Halifax finished last overall in their 2nd year rebuild. It won't take much for CB to do better than that.
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