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Post by defresh101 on Mar 27, 2010 22:00:15 GMT -4
If Palov means we aren't going to be in as bad a shape as Halifax was after their run, then I guess he is right. Things won't be that wonderful though. We will be relying on a 17 yo Veronneau in nets. I think it would have been much better for the kid to play half a year next year behind Roy, then trade Roy at x-mas for a prospect and a future that could help us in 2012. Veronneau will be in tough next year with the way the D is shaping up. Meilleur, Piskachek and most likely Brodeur will be gone. That leaves us with Ellis and guys Mario has no faith in so far this playoffs Fournier, Woodworth and Larade. Don't get me wrong, they are good young players just not enough experience especially with a young goalie. Up front you got Horyl, MacDougall, Hertzberg, Dion, Cuzner and maybe Lagace making up your top 2 lines. Then you have alot of question marks- Shaw, Bergeron, Parker, MacIntosh, Jodoin. It also looks like we will be a much smaller team next yearwith less grit. Palov is putting alot of faith in our scouts. There is no guarantee we will find gems with our picks especially when we lack a 1st or 2nd rounder. Also, since we made these trades this year, we lack the assets to aquire more picks to help with the rebuild. We all know things could have been done to improve our future with a different course at the deadline. While I agree that the sky isn't falling I do see an axe or 2 falling. Of course Cape Breton won't be as bad as Halifax. But I would'nt get too cocky just yet. We didnt expect our rebuild to be that bad. I can't see it happening, and hope for your guys sake that you wont be the basement dwellers for 2 years. But as a Mooseheads fan who had some hope we still be somewhat competitive after our run. I would plan for the worst next year and hopefully everything turns out better than planned for next year. Your cupboards are bare, your goaltender and future will be dealt at the 2010 Draft to Lewi. Plus there is doubts by many with your teams Management and your coaching. Plus a very weakened core. Usually I would have hope too, but when guys like Deer who are loyal Cape Breton fans are questioning the next couple years that makes me worried for you. The coach not getting fired soon, or new ideas to right the ship. 2 years from now you could be in the MOOSE shoes. But lets hope you get good we get good, and you host the Memorial cup. Because I would love to see a Cape Breton Vs Halifax Memorial cup final. LOL
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Post by pucksense on Mar 28, 2010 0:10:55 GMT -4
Well, Iknow Adam is a 'very hyped' player, and the numbers don't lie- he can score, but I would much rather pay money to see guys like reality mentioned- slaney, sheppard, culligan, oulette, asselin, etc. Those were fun games and you always knew the kind of effort that would be present, and most times the team mentality was very evident. This year, I don't know just seems the team went in a different direction. I hope it gets back to the old style!
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Post by Murph on Mar 28, 2010 8:29:31 GMT -4
The Eagles might be ahead of Halifax right now, but they don't project to be ahead in year two of their respective cycles, barring some really creative GM work, and some luck. Halifax finished last overall in their 2nd year rebuild. It won't take much for CB to do better than that. And they don't have much. Halifax spent two years at the bottom. I see the Eagles looking at 3 years, though they may not finish last overall. Just because Halifax finished last, isn't really a tell tale sign of their rebuild. Halifax is in good shape. They have a bunch of picks over the next couple drafts, plus maybe the best crop of 92's in the Q. They make good on their euro's, and get involved in the NCAA bluff's to help them in the draft. Cape Breton doesn't have much history when it comes to the NCAA thing, and they're inconsistant on euros. There's light at the end of the tunnel for Halifax. I fail to see that light for Cape Breton. Horyl, MacDougall.... nice 20`s, but neither guy will be worth much in trade. They may have to do something similar with Ellis, to what Halifax did with O`Connor, in that you trade him prior to his 19 year old season..... taking a little less than say if they dealt him at the deadline.... but speeding up the rebuild. Sure they may not finish last overall two years in a row..... but they could easily finish in the bottom 3rd of the league for 3 or 4 years in a row. To me, that`s much worse.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 28, 2010 12:53:06 GMT -4
The biggest threat for our fall in the standings will be our lack of finding any quality FA since Vincent left.
Like Halifax we lack our top draft picks(Here's hoping Lagace doesn't come back and we keep our 2011 1st) and have a bunch of mediocre veterans, which is all guys like Dion are until they prove more.
We have an ok scoring line of Hertzberg/MacDougall/Horyl but there's little trade value there...the only key chip is Ellis and he's a full year away from being legit trade bait barring an insane offer.
I could definitely see this taking 2-3 years to fix.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Mar 28, 2010 13:06:53 GMT -4
I heard Ellis also has a deal that would keep him in the maritimes. So dealing him would be difficult. He is also the best player we have by far heading forward and he's at a good age. If we do end up making a run in 2012 which is far fetched at the moment he would be the captain of that team hands down.
Your right Jack there was no McIlveen's, Victor's or Neil Smith's brought in since Mario has been running the ship.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Mar 28, 2010 13:09:47 GMT -4
I look at what Moncton did a few years back when they traded Matt Marquardt to B-C and they ended up getting Savard and Bussieres who ended up getting them Bourque. I just keep wondering what we could have got for Adam.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 28, 2010 13:11:54 GMT -4
I look at what Moncton did a few years back when they traded Matt Marquardt to B-C and they ended up getting Savard and Bussieres who ended up getting them Bourque. I just keep wondering what we could have got for Adam. Or anyone else since the 06-07 season when we loaded up. And of course 2 of the youngsters we dealt for that run eliminated us last night. This is what happens when you don't reload and take a blind shot at a title in this league......your future ends up fucked.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 28, 2010 13:17:14 GMT -4
It's the old adage, go big or stay home.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 28, 2010 13:22:37 GMT -4
It's the old adage, go big or stay home. In a way, yep. Only in order to go big, you need to go small at some point.....we went for it in 07 but then did nothing to restock the cupboards except drafting. Luckily we had a great 07 draft. But you can't let players like Ouellet, Clendenning, Culligan, Slaney leave for nothing then take a shot immediately after they leave and not expect backlash when it fails miserably. Like deer said, there's zero reason for this organization to have to make the same mistakes twice in 6 seasons.
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Post by christopher on Mar 28, 2010 13:44:57 GMT -4
Here's a question that I always ponder and I just can't think of a rational answer (and I really want guys like JB, deer, other long-time fans to weigh in on this):
Let's just take this season for example: If we as fans, spectators, etc can figure out that it is a brutal idea to load up and go for it, how come the coach/assistants/gm/upper level management can't figure it out? I mean, my fiance' has been only watching hockey for two seasons (and her first season she wasn't as into it), yet, as soon as they started loading up, she was like "wtf, this is a stupid idea, they're just gonna get beat out first round". They way I see it is that we could have unloaded Adam/Brodeur/Roy/maybe some others at the draft, got some solid 16/17 yos and draft picks, we could have still been a decent team, probably make the playoffs in PEI's position, face Saint John and get beat in 4 straight, but, what the hell is the difference? We end up getting beat in 5.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Mar 28, 2010 14:08:10 GMT -4
That's exactly it. It's almost like the Eagles are scared too trade away good players for the long term gain. I honestly think that the Eagles management needs to be cleaned out. Bring in new people with new ideas. Replacing one or two guys doesn't do it because you still have those guys that were here before them saying " this is what we did other years".
I wish the Eagles would what Saint John did last off-season. Go out and get good hockey guys like Gallant and Kelly to run the team.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 29, 2010 11:45:12 GMT -4
[sarcasm]Great to see a game recap in the CB Post with some comments to our future.[/sarcasm]
It's pretty pathetic that a full 24 hours after we get eliminated our LOCAL paper provides us with Neil Hodge's articles on Moncton and how they expect to do in round 2.
I'm starting to wonder why I even pay for the thing, local coverage has never been worse and most of it is online for free anyway.
We get more Eagle info from Halifax's media then we get out of Sydney's....pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me.
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Post by mikeb on Mar 29, 2010 13:07:31 GMT -4
Yes he would, there's a better chance of my retirement being funded by winning the 6/49 then there is of Luke Adam being in the Q as an overager. while I agree it is highly unlikely.. we all thought it was highly unlikely that Hoffman would be back, that DiDo would be back, that Riopel would be back.... Adam has still got many things to work on in his game to be an NHL'er maturity, skating, conditioning Most people THOUGHT Dido would be back. If you thought he wouldn't be back, you were in the minority.
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Post by bois on Mar 29, 2010 13:17:50 GMT -4
while I agree it is highly unlikely.. we all thought it was highly unlikely that Hoffman would be back, that DiDo would be back, that Riopel would be back.... Adam has still got many things to work on in his game to be an NHL'er maturity, skating, conditioning Most people THOUGHT Dido would be back. If you thought he wouldn't be back, you were in the minority. not at this time they didn't and actually I was one of the first posters who suggested he could be back..... thanks for the contribution.... do you think there is 0% chance Adam could be back in the Q next year? because that's kind of the point I was making..... and using some higher profile names who recently have wound up back in the Q as a 20 despite in many cases already proving their worth in the league
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Post by mikeb on Mar 29, 2010 13:19:24 GMT -4
Halifax finished last overall in their 2nd year rebuild. It won't take much for CB to do better than that. Sure they may not finish last overall two years in a row..... but they could easily finish in the bottom 3rd of the league for 3 or 4 years in a row. To me, that`s much worse. Hfx finished dead last in 08-09, dead last 09-10 and will finish bottom 3rd of the league this coming season.... How is that better than finishing bottom 3rd for 3 (or 4) years in a row?
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