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Post by Clubber Lang on Mar 30, 2010 18:06:44 GMT -4
If you played just 1 shift this year I think you qualify as a somewhat secure returning forward or defenceman even if you couldn't be trusted to dress or play in the Moncton playoff series. I have to agree with Jack Bauer past posts that there were a lot more valid reasons for going for it last year with that hard working TEAM than for for going for it because you have Olivier Roy and Luke Adam who really only "stepped up for the boys" in one of the five games. Mario showed a lot less allegiance to a group of true Eagles! First of all there was no reason to go for it last year or this year. So even saying we had a more valid reason is insane. Team sells Ouellette two years ago, trades Slaney and Haddad and possibly Culligan last year we win this league hands down and secure our assets. No debating or questioning that we win the league if Pascal/Mario did what was right for the organization. You had four players that basically would have endoresed these trades as positives for them and the franchise. What a win/win
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Post by reality on Mar 30, 2010 18:42:40 GMT -4
Clubber you may be right about not going for it either year and building for the future but the point is that last year's TEAM was much more deserving of the opportunity through their game to game effort and results and they didn't have Moncton or St. John ahead as a 1st round opponent.
This year was more about individuals and inconsistent play. Going for it this year, I agree was Insane. Last year's TEAM had character and pride but in the end lacked depth because "the prices were too high!"
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Post by Clubber Lang on Mar 30, 2010 20:03:11 GMT -4
Clubber you may be right about not going for it either year and building for the future but the point is that last year's TEAM was much more deserving of the opportunity through their game to game effort and results and they didn't have Moncton or St. John ahead as a 1st round opponent. This year was more about individuals and inconsistent play. Going for it this year, I agree was Insane. Last year's TEAM had character and pride but in the end lacked depth because "the prices were too high!" If a gun was too my head i would have picked last year as well. But direction was the issue that most of use questioned the whole year. Should have known this was a train wreck when we couldn't even pick a captain. It just pisses me off to no end when we keep our assets and don't trade them and then we sell our future chips for a first round exit. Sure Mario thought the first round winner would have a good chance of representing the Q but in my eyes that wasn't even a calculated risk it was an all in move without having a conscience or visioin. I feel this organization has screwed the educated fan base and will have a trickle down affect next year. I am gettng my season tickets but can tell you will probably give more away then go. I hope that Saint John or Moncton win not because they are in our division but they both have class acts for coaches and passionate fans. Good Luck
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Post by Deer on Mar 31, 2010 9:49:27 GMT -4
I didn't disagree with not paying the high prices last year, because even if we did - Drummondville and Shawinigan were just too strong for everyone else.
But "reality" is right that it made even less sense to go for it this year - we had arguably the league's top two teams - maybe this year's Drummondville and Shawinigan, or at least close to it- within our own damned division.
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Post by reality on Mar 31, 2010 15:34:06 GMT -4
Didn't Mario answer questions about Roy and Meilleur leaving with a "Just rumours" response? Now today, in the Herald article, there is no mention of either Olivier Roy or Francis Meilleur in his gushing praise of his returning lineup.
This is the same approach as "day to day" or "game time decision" answers about players who have no chance of playing. After awhile "credibility" becomes a real issue, even if he just gives different responses to different reporters.
I have to agree that for several years in many ways the Eagles "were" a model franchise in so many ways. This year fell short because you can't build a team around prima donnas and rental players who won't give a consistent effort on a period to period or a game to game basis.
As far as adding an impact Euro goes, it's a challenge to get them to report and thay are not always ready to be an impact player that 1st year. Hertzberg was an "exception" not a rule!
It also doesn't make any sense to have a backup goalie taking up a 20 year old spot on the roster, so that's probably the plan right now! The Eagles should finally make an effort to acquire Jared Struthers who should have been added in January of 2009. PEI got him for a 3rd I think?
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Post by Deer on Mar 31, 2010 16:13:35 GMT -4
During our two home playoff games, the ads on the scoreclock for next season's tickets had a picture of Morgan Ellis - not Olivier Roy. "Just rumours" indeed.
The "assumption" you pointed out about getting an impact Euro dman wasn't the only assumption Mario made in that article with Willy Palov. He's also assuming that a couple of fistfuls of fringe players/mid-late round draft picks/players that may never crack a Q roster will be parts of our successful teams the next couple of seasons. And he mentions about five-six guys as possible 20-year-olds.
These assumptions are all well and good - except he also "assumed" in the media all year that his team was ready for the playoffs, and could compete with Moncton.
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Post by hal on Mar 31, 2010 16:36:28 GMT -4
Yep,reunite the Struthers,Horyl and Bourgeois Line that dominated the Local Hockey Scene for years ! The Board would love that !
* Makes Zero Hockey Sense ! So it just might happen !
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Post by reality on Mar 31, 2010 18:44:32 GMT -4
I didn't say anything about reuniting the line. I just think that Struthers could have helped the team last year, this year and even next year. The price shouldn't be too high for an excess 20 year old in PEI possibly.
I haven't checked Jared's stats from either the last half of last year or this season but I'm pretty confident in saying the Eagles could have used his effort and production.
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Post by bois on Mar 31, 2010 18:53:49 GMT -4
I didn't say anything about reuniting the line. I just think that Struthers could have helped the team last year, this year and even next year. The price shouldn't be too high for an excess 20 year old in PEI possibly. I haven't checked Jared's stats from either the last half of last year or this season but I'm pretty confident in saying the Eagles could have used his effort and production. not suggesting he won't be dealt... but we don't need todealhim...he'snot really an excess 20 ... he is clearly in the top 3-4 potential 20's on our roster
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Post by hal on Mar 31, 2010 19:02:17 GMT -4
I didn't say anything about reuniting the line. I just think that Struthers could have helped the team last year, this year and even next year. The price shouldn't be too high for an excess 20 year old in PEI possibly. I haven't checked Jared's stats from either the last half of last year or this season but I'm pretty confident in saying the Eagles could have used his effort and production. I realize that ..........I was just taking it up a notch !
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Post by reality on Mar 31, 2010 19:12:52 GMT -4
The idea of being excess came from posters on the PEI board and from the number and quality of 20's that PEI has to choose from, which is different from the Eagles situation this upcoming year.
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Post by bois on Mar 31, 2010 21:13:48 GMT -4
The idea of being excess came from posters on the PEI board and from the number and quality of 20's that PEI has to choose from, which is different from the Eagles situation this upcoming year. i dont know of anyone from our board who considers Struthers an excess 20..... in all likelihood we choose 3 of 5 20's (barring trades of course).... in goal Mosher is a lock up front it's between Struthers,Bonneau and Bouchard on D it's Lacroix or maybe Southorn to me Struthers is favored to win out over Bonneau unless a team overpays for him which obviously CB won't do not saying it couldn't happen just that I'd consider it very unlikely
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Post by reality on Mar 31, 2010 21:37:09 GMT -4
bois, I'd be holding on to him also, if I was making that decision for PEI, but after this year, you just never know what decisions will be made , do you?
My mention of Struthers was also related to a year ago January when PEI got him for a 3rd I believe and that plus ? apparently was too high a price to pay for the Eagles that year! He would have been a real nice addition both seasons for a pretty cheap price compared to what we paid this year for what ?
After the trade last year he had 8 goals and 15 assists in 21 games with PEI. This year he produced 26 goals and 19 assists in 67 games. I think he would have been a valuable asset provided he was given a real chance to contribute! Those numbers compare very favourably to our other 19 year olds this year. Let's see that adds up to about 37 goals and 34 assists for a 3rd round plus ? pick. We also wouldn't have had to give up a pick for 1 of the 19 year old acquisitions last June. We could have used depth against Quebec 2 years ago.
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